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Are EVs a Doomed Technology?

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Posted By: Dreadnought, 11/19/2023 1:03:42 AM

Electric vehicles have been around for 100 years or so. They lost out to gasoline powered cars because gasoline powered cars are better. Is that ever going to change? At the Telegraph, Michael Kelly draws an analogy to the Concorde: The man in the street has failed to embrace BEVs for the same reason he failed to embrace Concorde nearly 50 years ago: the extra cost – of order £10,000 per vehicle – represents an insurmountable barrier. People might pay the extra if they were getting something better in performance terms, but range anxiety and the lack of convenient recharging infrastructure remain formidable hurdles. Insurance costs are high too,

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Venturer 11/19/2023 1:15:36 AM (No. 1601237)
There will never be enough electricity to supply the juice for Biden's big plans. Solar panels and windmills just will not do it. Not now, not ever. If we all had electric cars ,electric stoves ,electric heat ,and air conditioning, right now with the power supplies we have we couldn't do it, and these idiots are pushing electric and closing power plants. Evenb with Nuclear power plants we still wouldn't have the infrastructure to ship the power where it is needed and there are no Nuke power plants being built. It's a crazy pipe dream.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Lawsy0 11/19/2023 1:57:01 AM (No. 1601250)
I certainly hope so. Maybe 2 or 3 hundred more years.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: NeverVoteDem 11/19/2023 2:10:38 AM (No. 1601253)
Other countries are already working on smaller safer nuclear plants. If we started today we could have the first one online in about ten years. Maybe someone can figure out hydrogen in thirty to fifty years. Until then we have oil, plenty of it, cheap, right here in the good old USA. Natural gas has to be in the mix too. I will never buy a car made with child slave labor and that is just the start of my many objections to EVs.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: mifla 11/19/2023 3:10:47 AM (No. 1601259)
Not to mention that you have to store the EV in a detached garage away from the house in case it explodes.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Strike3 11/19/2023 4:27:23 AM (No. 1601282)
If you have to ask...
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Reply 6 - Posted by: bpl40 11/19/2023 5:05:47 AM (No. 1601295)
Gasoline powered cars are better. You can change that when you change the laws of physics. Technology as we know it can’t.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Jesuslover54 11/19/2023 5:28:35 AM (No. 1601303)
Well, Nikola Tesla supposedly had that magic car with a box that drew energy from the very ether and energized the car that way. It was a box in a Pierce Arrow. I could dig that - the universe is pulsing with energy anyway.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: SkyKing1222 11/19/2023 7:07:58 AM (No. 1601339)
“Electric Cars- A solution we don’t want, to a problem we don’t have “
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Reply 9 - Posted by: franq 11/19/2023 7:30:38 AM (No. 1601350)
Yes, unless government and the corporations force them on us. I believe that is their ultimate goal. And I know you will never be CEO of any large tech or manufacturing company unless you have your "EV" and "Climate Change" merit badges. Just an observation from experience.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Ebenezer 11/19/2023 7:56:47 AM (No. 1601361)
two-thirds of the electricity in the US is generated by burning fossil fuels, and much of the rest is from nuclear--both of which the moonbats want to get rid of. So how, by the moonbats' standards, are electric cars "saving the planet"?
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Rumblehog 11/19/2023 7:57:41 AM (No. 1601362)
They are the equivalent of those "curly-q" light bulbs pushed by GE after Pelosi and the Democrats killed the tried and true tungsten filament incandescent bulb. Market opportunity and technical achievement brought about the LED light bulbs which are, in some ways, as good as the old style bulbs. I dare say that Tesla has done a remarkable job improving on electric motor and battery designs, electronic controls, and other technologies which improve the EV, but, it is still not where it needs to be, and may never be, until a revolutionary energy storage technology comes into being. Over-priced, just like the curly-q light bulbs. Filled with dangerous toxic chemicals, again, like the curly-q bulbs. And destined to be replaced by an altogether different technology from out of leftfield, just like the LED bulb was.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Hazymac 11/19/2023 8:34:05 AM (No. 1601385)
FTA: "You might assume that someone has gotten out a pencil and paper and figured out how a transition to “green” energy, accompanied by a transition to EVs, can possibly be implemented. But you would be wrong. There is no plan, no demonstration project, no set of calculations, no plausible feasibility study. The whole thing is a fantasy which will cause ever-increasing damage if politicians insist on pursuing it." The "Green" future isn't green, it's red and it involves limiting human mobility by government order. It's all about control.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Right Time 11/19/2023 8:45:28 AM (No. 1601399)
I'm waiting for the first out-of-control lithium battery fire aboard a ferry or in a tunnel (i.e., Lincoln, Holland, or Midtown tunnels), with associated deaths and injuries, to lead to a nationwide ban on EV's. Hardly a week goes by without reading of a fire and fatalities from electric bike/scooter batteries.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Paperpuncher 11/19/2023 8:48:17 AM (No. 1601405)
Elon: You should be selling off Tesla as quick as you can.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: rikkitikki 11/19/2023 8:53:39 AM (No. 1601413)
Yes, EVs were doomed from the start. In addition to the article's main points: #9. There are not enough rare metals (lithium, cobalt, nickel) in the world's known reserves to build enough car batteries for even one generation of American cars, much less any other country's. #10. The energy needed to recycle of EVs and their batteries makes the effort a net-loss proposition. #11. Trucks emit most of the carbon pollution in America, and electric batteries are too weak and range-limited to ever replace diesel engines in those trucks. IOW, replacing ICE cars with EVs will leave the main source of carbon pollution unlimited. #12. The myth of AGW and its link to carbon pollution is just that...a myth. And without that myth, the entire premise of the need for EVs goes away.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: jeffkinnh 11/19/2023 9:00:32 AM (No. 1601418)
Another thing to consider is the support technology required, the charging stations. Hundreds of cars fill up with gas every day at EVERY gas station. Maybe thousands at some station. They are there for 5 minutes and then on their way. EVs need HOURS, probably 6+ hours to charge. Where are you going to find the space to park 100s of cars while they charge. What are people going to do while their car is charging. Who is going to foot the bill to build this charging parking lot? All this might have happened if the tech was actually feasible and their was a mass transition. However, that is NOT going to happen (because the tech is NOT good enough). So convenient charging stations are NOT going to be available. Ones that do get installed will be overcrowded and overpriced (because there will be no economy of scale). EVs will be a possible local (5 hour round trip) solution but will still be too expensive, a virtue signaling for the people who can afford them and who have charging capability at home. Everything that government provides a "solution" for is all fouled up. This is why big, stupid, agenda driven government with one size fits all "solutions" is bad and why market solutions that people can test if they want to and can afford to try out are far better. Failed market solutions (usually small scale) are quickly dropped and successful solutions go on to mass adoption. Government EV solutions have meet the marketplace and they have failed.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: Strike3 11/19/2023 9:22:14 AM (No. 1601435)
Like Boeing building a new jet fighter using lead instead of titanium.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: paral04 11/19/2023 9:38:52 AM (No. 1601447)
The most important reason for me is the things catch on fire and it takes enormous amounts of water to put them out. You would be foolish to keep one in the garage as not only would you lose your car and your house, your whole family could die in one.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: DVC 11/19/2023 9:45:57 AM (No. 1601448)
EVs were invented, built and sold commercially well over a century ago and abandon as unworkable compared to gas cars. We got it right a century ago. EVs are substantially inferior to gas cars in overall cost and usefulness.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: czechlist 11/19/2023 11:54:21 AM (No. 1601509)
Ironic - government mandates from the party which calls its opposition FASCISTS
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Reply 21 - Posted by: MickTurn 11/19/2023 12:29:00 PM (No. 1601539)
Let's see a show of hands, How many Firefighters own EV's? I'll bet ZERO!
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Reply 22 - Posted by: FLCracker 11/19/2023 2:39:33 PM (No. 1601606)
FTA: "...BEV batteries are mostly controlled by China. Expansion of the EV market will reap rich rewards for Beijing..." So THAT'S why Biden is pushing EVs.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: broken01 11/20/2023 12:04:28 PM (No. 1602089)
Didn't some guy last week get locked in his running EV and had to call 911 to get him. I think the story also stated that he was afraid his car would've kept running until it blew up. In either case I will never own such a vehicle. Doomed tech or not that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: Hazymac 11/20/2023 12:20:30 PM (No. 1602102)
#23 would appreciate this post from day before yesterday. https://www.lucianne.com/2023/11/18/nightmare_ev_malfunctions_locks_driver_inside_rolls_backwards_down_a_boat_ramp_and_ignites_118560.html Admittedly, the boat ramp Tesla story is a worst case scenario, but just imagine rolling backward down a ramp into salt water, your electronic door locks deploy ... and the 1,500 pound Li-ion battery beneath you starts burning at about 2,000 C. (3,632 F.) ... underwater. A bystander on land would say, "Look at those pretty flames under the water!" Of course, what is there to say about anyone who would install a trailer hitch on a Tesla and use the car to back the boat on the the trailer into the water? Just wow.
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