Hey, Elon, How About A Tesla That Runs
On Gas?
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Original Article
Posted By: RockyTCB,
7/11/2024 9:56:17 AM
Recall when electric vehicles were our future, the next generation of automobiles that were going to save us? It’s been a fairly tale from the beginning, as people are beginning to see.
About six weeks ago, President Joe Biden bragged during a Rose Garden event that “thanks to my bipartisan Infrastructure Law, we’re building a network of 500,000 charging stations all across America.” At that moment, only seven stations had been built – three years after the bill was passed.
The lack of progress cannot be explained away by the challenges faced by any infrastructure buildout, though Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg
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Reply 1 - Posted by:
Mcscow sailor 7/11/2024 10:12:29 AM (No. 1754372)
Some teslas run on coal, others on natural gas. A few on hydro/nuc/renewables
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
Mcscow sailor 7/11/2024 10:14:19 AM (No. 1754374)
And now, with diesel generators, some will run on fuel oil.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Lake Dweller 7/11/2024 10:15:05 AM (No. 1754376)
I might just buy a gas-powered Tesla…
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
DVC 7/11/2024 10:30:42 AM (No. 1754388)
If he built that, it would have to be an Otto.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Hazymac 7/11/2024 10:40:08 AM (No. 1754395)
I've been suggesting this for several years. Absolutely, Elon Musk could produce gasoline and diesel models of Tesla. If he did, I'm sure that those cars would be of excellent quality. Since current battery powered electric vehicles are boutique transportation for people who don't have far to drive, but not realistic for everyday life in most of spread out middle America, the end of purely electric transportation is just over the horizon. "Green" in all its forms is anti-human policy that civilized people will have to put an end to. Gorons will be suicidal, but that's the end they've been pursuing since the first Earth Day, 22 April 1970. The first Earth Day was the centennial of the birth of the father of the USSR, Vladimir Ilich Lenin, born that day in 1870. Choosing that particular day was not an accident. As Rush told us many times, "Green is the new red." That's how they get us to swallow unpalatable policy--by calling it "green."
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
Mcscow sailor 7/11/2024 10:42:41 AM (No. 1754398)
Just provide a tow behind generator
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
nosillod 7/11/2024 10:55:01 AM (No. 1754407)
I think there is a big missed opportunity here for a natural gas powered vehicle. No one is really pushing those.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
DVC 7/11/2024 11:06:03 AM (No. 1754413)
Re #7, nat gas is a fine engine fuel, but packaging the high pressure tanks is a serious problem for a car. Big trucks or buses have enough 'excess' space to fit in some pressure tanks, and also to keep them located far from the "edges" so less likely to rupture in a collision.
Honda sold a NG Civic for, IIRC, two years....but the fuel tanks were about 8 spherical pressure tanks a foot in diameter in a layer behind the back seat. This compromised the already minimal trunk, and finding a place to fuel them was a big problem.
Typically these only work for BIG fleet operators who can build their own fueling depot where the vehicles park at night and can refuel, and which the vehicles are big enough to carry tanks without wiping out all cargo room.
Propane works well, and has been used in forklifts for many decades, but they are short range, and you carry the tank to the vehicle, limiting size of fuel tank.
An excellent internal combustion fuel which has very inconvenient handling and storage problems. Gasoline and diesel sit in a nice, cheap, light, "any shape that fits" plastic or sheet steel tank and fueling is simple. We use what we use for MANY good reasons, all tested for 90-100 years to optimize for cost and convenience.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
Bassman1911 7/11/2024 11:42:30 AM (No. 1754432)
No doubt that it would be a great car but it would out sell the electric models easily
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
MickTurn 7/11/2024 12:42:07 PM (No. 1754448)
OR a model that has a nice Generator in the trunk, with enough fuel to run it to charge the car 5 times!
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
LC Chihuahua 7/11/2024 1:00:20 PM (No. 1754470)
Hybrid? They have been successful.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
nosillod 7/11/2024 2:18:16 PM (No. 1754506)
Thanks #8. That explains it. I learned something!
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
franq 7/11/2024 3:36:36 PM (No. 1754540)
I've been saying that for a couple years.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
DVC 7/11/2024 4:18:18 PM (No. 1754557)
A lot of UPS trucks are natural gas powered. They call it "CNG" for compressed natural gas. It can be a good, very clean fuel for a big fleet operator like UPS where the trucks all wind up at the UPS center at night where they can be refueled by technicians who know what they are doing, from a big, custom fueling rig connected to a nat gas pipeline.
Here's the info on the CIvic GX made available only for fleet sales, and only in certain states where nat gas was cheap, or there were special tax credits. Made longer than I thought, the fleet sales fooled me. Cost $4500 more than the standard Civic, and had only 200 mile range, compared to at least double that for a gas Civic with 13 gallon tank getting 36-40 mpg on the highway.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Civic_GX
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
DVC 7/11/2024 4:28:47 PM (No. 1754562)
Apparently the spherical nat gas pressure tanks were only on prototype Civic. Research shows a big cylindrical pressure tank taking up at least half the trunk in a production Civic GX, giving equivalent to 8 gallons gasoline, where the normal Civic has a pretty decent trunk with a 13 gallon tank.
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