The World’s Largest Ponzi Scheme
American Thinker,
by
David D. Schein
Original Article
Posted By: DVC,
7/2/2023 3:11:52 PM
“Ponzi Scheme” is a term that was coined about 100 years ago. It was named after an Italian immigrant, Charles Ponzi, who realized he could get investors by promising large returns for undefined, high-yield investments. His endeavor needed to make just enough money to keep attracting new investors, whose money, after Ponzi’s cut, was used to pay some of the earlier investors. In our modern day, Bernie Madoff’s Ponzi scheme resulted in losses in the billions of dollars when the stock market tanked during the Great Recession.
Selling the Deal
Americans are just beginning to see the tip of the iceberg of their own trillion-dollar Ponzi scheme, Social Security (“SSA”).
Reply 1 - Posted by:
plomke 7/2/2023 3:29:07 PM (No. 1504360)
As been said many times before- "You can't cheat an honest man".
Those who collect more,much more than they paid in(pretty much everybody collecting SS payments today) are not just greedy,selfish fools for believing that they are "owed" Social Security,but are incredibly destructive to our future.
You childrens grandchildren will be paying interest on these payments to you for centuries to come.
Our Chinese,Arab and Russian owners will thank you though...
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
franq 7/2/2023 3:29:12 PM (No. 1504361)
Lord willing, I start collecting SS this coming January. I need to collect for 10 years to recoup my lifetime contributions. If they can print money to combat global warming, they better print it to keep SS afloat.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Flyball Dogs 7/2/2023 3:39:36 PM (No. 1504368)
I’ve had an opinion lately that when the final history is written of the United States of America the historians will look at FDR as being one of the most destructive forces in our demise.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
Luandir 7/2/2023 3:48:38 PM (No. 1504375)
#3, don't forget Jimmikottah, who raided the SS "trust fund" to finance non-SS spending.
The Dims will demagogue any attempt to reform the system up until it goes over the cliff. I expect they're already planning how to blame the Republicans when that happens.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
davew 7/2/2023 4:01:02 PM (No. 1504384)
Two points. First, Bernie Madoff received $19 billion from investors in cash. He never made a real trade, only fake paper trades. The billions in losses were a dramatic fantasy that made great press. After he was caught, government executors recovered $14 billion of the $19 billion from people who withdrew more than they put in. Many of the small investors came out almost even. Most of the real losses came from the two top investor's in the fund who already had billions of their own that they gave up paying back Madoff small fry.
Second, people who believe that the FICA tax pays for SSN don't understand how the Bank of Monopoly works. The Federal Reserve makes all the money that people ever use to pay for anything in a computer in Washington. It gets spent by the government or deposited in member banks to make loans. They don't need tax dollars, they are only collected so that people will be compelled to use their fiat currency. If they need more money to pay entitlement benefits to retired workers, they can hit a few keys and transfer the funds from the Fed to a Treasury account. As long as they don't create more dollars than the private economy can support with real products and services, inflation is not a problem. The problem is not creating the dollars, its knowing the right priorities of what to buy with them. See Ukraine for a counter example.
All the nonsense about debt ceilings and trust funds are political red herrings used to manipulate what government money is spent on for the benefit of particular campaign donors and their lobbyists.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
DVC 7/2/2023 4:46:44 PM (No. 1504407)
My wife and I judged that SS was not stable, and should not be relied upon for retirement. We spent our whole working careers saving hard and investing with professional guidance to ensure that we would be able to live comfortably in retirement even if SS 'disappeared'. We have managed to collect it now for about 6 or 7 years, I forget exactly, but we do not assume that it will always be there.
My guess is that they will start taking it away from anyone that has any investments which are above some certain value....say $100K or something.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
WV.Hillbilly 7/2/2023 4:58:16 PM (No. 1504414)
The Social Security contribution for a worker in 2021 was 6.2% of their earnings. Assume the worker earns the average wage of $56,310 per year and contributed 6.2% of his earnings to an S&P 500 stock fund. The average annualized return for the S&P 500 index from 1976 to 2021 was approximately 11.9%
If the worker contributed 6.2% of every paycheck to the fund over a 45-year period, the total amount of contributions would be approximately $178,110. With an average annual rate of return of 11.9%, the value of the fund at the end of the 45-year period would be approximately $4,540,572, before any disbursements are made.
Even assuming a conservative average annual rate of return of 8%, the value of the fund at the end of the 45-year period would be approximately $1,604,171, before one cent is drawn out.
Using those same assumptions with Social Security and that same worker begins receiving benefits at the full retirement age of 67, he would pay in the same amount, $178,110, but would only collect approximately $337,860 in lifetime benefits if he lived to age 84.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
stablemoney 7/2/2023 5:15:04 PM (No. 1504424)
SS is not a ponzi scheme. Employees and Employers contribute. If that money had remained in the Funds, and been invested, there would be no problem. But the funds did not stay there, they were borrowed, and spent by the General Fund to pay for an out of control government, that is so large it can rule on every detail of your life. SS was just a pot of money sitting there to be robbed by the politicians.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
plomke 7/2/2023 6:06:39 PM (No. 1504457)
Social Security is not a Ponzi scam?
And Biden was elected by 81 million voters...
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Rumblehog 7/2/2023 7:33:36 PM (No. 1504513)
Ida May Fuller was the first recipient of S.S. and made out like a bandit. She paid in for 3 years of her working career, paying a total of $24.75 in SS tax, and later collecting payments for 36 years, totaling $22,888.92 in benefits.
Nice payback for her, but it only got worse for the rest of us.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida_May_Fuller
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
Chisca 7/2/2023 9:12:24 PM (No. 1504554)
Cut all foreign aid to 0. Redirect to social security. Problem solved
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
DVC 7/2/2023 9:50:29 PM (No. 1504568)
Re #8, you are mistaken it is exactly a Ponzi scheme. The scheme REQUIRES that the base is ever increasing to work, which is absolutely impossible.
SS is fraud, pure and simple. All the "excess" was "borrowed" and spent decades ago, NEVER "invested" as they claimed, except for a bunch of government IOUs which say "to be paid with future tax revenues".
Of course, all future tax revenues are 140% being spent. So there are no future tax revenues to put towards these fancy IOUs....so they are worthless, effectively the money was stolen and spent.
Screw us.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
mifla 7/3/2023 5:03:12 AM (No. 1504661)
SS was created to help out people during the Depression. No one investigated how it was to operate long term. Hence the upcoming mess.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
WV.Hillbilly 7/3/2023 11:44:16 AM (No. 1504953)
In 1940, there were 42 workers per retiree. In 2000 the ratio was 3-to-1; by 2050 it will be 2-to-1.
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All Americans who totally depend upon SS income should be actively figuring how they will be able to deal with the coming SS crash. I have no idea exactly how it will be restructured, but it can't continue like it is.