Putin Wants to Break NATO. Republicans
Want to Help Him.
The Bulwark,
by
William Saletan
Original Article
Posted By: Jagermeister,
4/12/2022 7:57:33 PM
Vladimir Putin’s central objective in Europe isn’t to capture Kyiv, the Donbas, or any other part of Ukraine. It’s to weaken the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, which protects most of the continent against him. And in that longstanding campaign, Putin scored two significant victories this week.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
Proud Texan 4/12/2022 8:04:31 PM (No. 1126897)
I scanned through the article. Too much name-calling and twisted facts to waste much time one it. Basically the author seems to be want the US to be locked into agreements and let somebody else decide what those agreements morph into. He mostly seems to think we Americans should just blindly follow our "betters".
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
Timber Queen 4/12/2022 8:24:44 PM (No. 1126924)
Hmmm. The headline makes it sound like a bad thing. I think it would be great. NATO should have disbanded when the Soviet Union fell.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
hisself 4/12/2022 9:37:05 PM (No. 1126974)
With regard to the headline: BullSchiff!
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
Mofongo 4/12/2022 9:44:25 PM (No. 1126985)
And NATO wants to break Russia. Your point?
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Kate318 4/12/2022 10:32:31 PM (No. 1127018)
TQ, have I told you lately how much I love you?
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
bighambone 4/12/2022 10:41:13 PM (No. 1127024)
Regarding the French, they pulled out of NATO in the past and required the US Military to close all the US bases in France that caused the USA to have to move a massive amount of military equipment out of France to new bases in West Germany. History shows that it is not a good idea and strategy to trust either France or Russia.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
NotaBene 4/13/2022 1:08:50 AM (No. 1127064)
I love TQ too!
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
smokincol 4/13/2022 1:55:30 AM (No. 1127073)
NATO/OTAN is more of a confab organization than the European Union, and borders on a worthless level of the United Nations, and anyone who knows, will verify that the wasted postulations of the NATO/OTAN leadership is primarily dedicated to making certain people in NATO/OTAN very rich and influential - the Europeans have never known how to govern as a single united European force except to attack another nation within Europe and bring about war on a ridiculous scale - they had perfect fools in the White House until our duly elected President, Donald J. Trump showed up and made them kneel during the Sermon and used these presidents as busboys to make themselves very rich and very influential within the European community - #45 stopped all that and they were so scared of him they were vacating their lower bowel trying to avoid being called out by him, that's why they ponied up the $$$ so fast when he came down hard on them - there will never be another President Donald J. Trump and I am so fortunate to have been given a life on this earth long enough to have seen him in action and I hope I'm around for his next presidency in 2024
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
Trigger2 4/13/2022 7:11:07 AM (No. 1127179)
NATO only cares about the money the US supplies to keep them afloat.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
oldsfc 4/13/2022 8:04:01 AM (No. 1127222)
The U.S. should have been out of NATO years ago. Let the Euroweenies handle this. America has been bankrolling these deadbeats for far to long while they built their socialist utopia.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
tootall 4/13/2022 8:37:22 AM (No. 1127247)
Didn't Germany agree to pay their fair share and then some ... 3%? Aren't Finland and Sweden trying to get into NATO? Maybe the votes were to assure current members that unless they step up, they're on their own. And if they don't we won't have their back after the invasion of their Country begins. Is the free ride over? Will the demonstration that actions have consequences change Uncle Sucker's largesse. Was DJT playing chess ... not checkers.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
Hazymac 4/13/2022 8:42:42 AM (No. 1127257)
Too bad, Vlad, but NATO is about to get larger. Finland, Sweden, and Ukraine (after Russia loses the war), will join, just to begin with.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
columba 4/13/2022 10:08:32 AM (No. 1127395)
The Russian Federation has been against NATO fending Russia in. Europe has been anti-Russia since the days before the American Civil War. It's time again to actually listen to both sides. And too I wonder why the American ambassador gave the idea that every nation ought to have its own religion .. thus eliminating the Russian Orthodox Church from Ukraine ..especially since the Russian Orthodox Church has been serving Ukraine's people since the 12th Century.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
MDConservative 4/13/2022 10:26:41 AM (No. 1127416)
Not even good propaganda for the pro-NATO side. This alliance has outlived its usefulness. It is expressly anti-Russian. It was/is aggressive in expansion. It is wholly based on the US commitment to act as a "defense umbrella" for Europe, allowing Euro-NATO countries to defer military spending (under the presumption that there really is no threat).
After nearly 75 years and the collapse of the Soviet Union, it's time for the US to excuse itself from this "perpetual alliance". George Washington warned the nation in his Farewell of having perpetual friends and foes, and of perpetual alliances. NATO fits his description perfectly. It's past time to let the Europeans be European.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
bighambone 4/13/2022 10:33:20 AM (No. 1127431)
The Euroweenies have also been talking of forming a European Army consisting essentially of German Generals, French Lieutenants, and British infantry. Once the British got wind of that proposed European transformation of NATO supposedly to confront Russia, it served as a catalyst for the British to pull out of the European Union which happened though BREXIT, as the British were not about Her Majesty’s Forces being run by German Generals and French Lieutenants. In that respect the British recognize they would be better off as being part of a reliable defense alliance with the USA and Canada.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
Kumoan 4/13/2022 12:33:37 PM (No. 1127599)
NATO outlived it's original purpose when the USSR fell and it's been a pampered whore with Uncle Sam poneying up the cash and bodies and the Euroweenies looking down their noses and looking the other way when the check appeared. This attack on Ukraine did show the effete that there was a jungle and there are predators there, so it's a good thing from that standpoint.
The President, as usual, was ahead of the curve and looking at reality when he shamed those girlymen into paying their share, for once.
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I think the article misses the reason for some members rejection of the resolution. I think some members perceived the resolution's language to expand "NATO’s capacity to strengthen democratic institutions within NATO member, partner, and aspirant countries" as an expansion of NATO's mission beyond a defensive alliance into some type of tool for "nation building". For this reason, I think its important that NATO advocates who wish to see NATO remain as a viable strictly defensive alliance be clear about their goals, and to avoid being mischaracterized as in this article, explicitly distance themselves from anti-NATO isolationists.