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There’s Something Fishy About FiveThirtyEight’s
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Posted By: Hazymac, 6/13/2024 8:22:36 AM

There are two key things we have at our disposal to assess the state of a presidential election. The first, of course, is match-up polling. The second is approval ratings. Even when an incumbent isn't seeking reelection, the approval ratings of the incumbent party are still informative. If you're following the approval and match-up polls at all this campaign, you know two things: Joe Biden isn't very popular, and Donald Trump is leading in most of the battleground states. Considering these two factors alone — and there are plenty more that suggest Trump is favored to win — things look darn good for President Trump in November. Except, according to FiveThirtyEight,

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Reply 1 - Posted by: thekidsmom66 6/13/2024 8:35:20 AM (No. 1736423)
He is missing the point. It doesn't matter if you're ahead in the polls, if your approval is exceedingly high, if your supporters are not registered to vote. And if people want to believe, in the face of evidence from those who attend rallies and actually talk to the attendees, that all of them are registered and ready to show up for the election, people will be in for a surprise come the day after the election. Yes, people ARE sick of Biden and his policies, but that will not defeat him. If they don't register and vote, because they're counting on everyone else to do it, they're going to wake up to a second Biden term. Think about why the left hasn't made any move to get rid of this guy. Why? Why aren't they worried? Will they cheat? You bet. But if enough of the people who want Biden out were registered and committed to showing up, they would overwhelm any cheating. But Republicans look at crowd numbers and don't focus on talking to people and making sure they are registered, or even offering to get them to the polls. They think of that as being the job of some nebulous "someone else'. Democrats don't do that ... but they know we do.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: MissGrits 6/13/2024 8:35:56 AM (No. 1736424)
I'm not going to waste my time reading this article. Biden did not win by a looong shot in 2020, so unless fraudulent voting is factored in at an even larger percentage than occurred in 2020, NO stats can make this race close by the wildest of imagination!
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Reply 3 - Posted by: red1066 6/13/2024 8:44:00 AM (No. 1736431)
What's 538? Biteme's bedtime and nap time?
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Reply 4 - Posted by: FormerDem 6/13/2024 8:51:58 AM (No. 1736433)
well it is just a crazy opinion, but remember how fivethirtyeight had this incredibly accurate result in, was it 2020? And I thought that this pollster was used by the cheaters to direct their win.... so that it would look plausible, with a model backup. and maybe this time they are doing it again, to which end, he has got to actually forecast a win.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Catherine 6/13/2024 9:11:21 AM (No. 1736449)
You can bet there are way more Republicans registered than democrats. However, don't count on unregistered Republicans to allow Biden to win. Won't happen. Legitimately. They can still steal another one.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Californian 6/13/2024 9:29:05 AM (No. 1736467)
Same folks assured us smugly that Hillary had 99% chance to win.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: NorthernDog 6/13/2024 9:32:23 AM (No. 1736470)
They have to play to their audience. Libs have gotten good at browbeating anyone who doesn't spout the party line 24/7.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Kate318 6/13/2024 9:44:28 AM (No. 1736480)
#1, could you please post your sources for the claim that a substantial portion of Trump rally attendees are not registered to vote? I’m honestly asking, as I haven’t heard that claim before.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: MickTurn 6/13/2024 10:01:31 AM (No. 1736496)
One word: RIGGED
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Reply 10 - Posted by: seamusm 6/13/2024 10:19:12 AM (No. 1736531)
All of the polls which purport to predict a Trump overwhelming victory serve only to increase the Dems willingness to cheat and to panic their supporters into voting while hoping to make Trump's voters think they can bother not to show up because the election is 'in the bag'.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Strike3 6/13/2024 11:02:49 AM (No. 1736583)
Balanced polls are one thing, targeted polls are another. There is also the assumption that those polled are being honest. However, it gives the media something to do and crow about until the election gives us the final result, which may or may not be honest.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: mc squared 6/13/2024 11:04:43 AM (No. 1736584)
Depressing that the race may be close. That a near majority feels confident Obiden will improve things after 4 failed years.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Noj15 6/13/2024 11:38:09 AM (No. 1736609)
Nate Silver, formerly (2023) of ABC news has this in his Wiki page: "His polls-only model gave Donald Trump only a 28.6% chance of victory in the 2016 presidential election,[4] but this was higher than many other forecasting competitors.[5]" This, and the fact that his dad teaches political science at Michigan and his mom was a "political activist, " tell me that the Deep State has him scared $hitless. Make up your own mind and make it up before November. s Sundance says, "There are TRILLIONS at stake. Countdown for General Milley has started...
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Reply 14 - Posted by: ARKfamily 6/13/2024 11:39:15 AM (No. 1736610)
Did anyone read the original article? It is hard to tell with some of the comments. The pollster(s) are not the same and this is now owned by ABC/Disney. . .
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Scribelus 6/13/2024 12:08:02 PM (No. 1736633)
As for 538’s method: I refer to the ‘40’s comic strip - “ Mandrake gestures magically”.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: DVC 6/13/2024 3:29:16 PM (No. 1736694)
Computer models are just equations in a computer. Like any other computer stuff, GIGO applies. Garbage In Garbage Out. At this point nothing going in is anything better than throwing darts at a dartboard.....GARBAGE IN for certain.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: thekidsmom66 6/13/2024 3:38:50 PM (No. 1736702)
Stone seem to have the attitude of Theodin from Lord of the Rings - let's hunker down here in Helm's Deep, because we "know" everything and so, things will go as we say. And so, if Trump loses, they will cry cheating... but it won't matter then, because it will be too late and there will be no help on the way. But, but all means, sit on your smug perch, confident in what you "know", and don't listen to those crazy people trying to tell you to wake up.
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