Over 100 Florida Churches File Suit to
Leave United Methodist Church
Epoch Times,
by
Jackson Elliott
Original Article
Posted By: earlybird,
7/25/2022 11:05:15 PM
A schism characterized by documents on “grace through separation” has brought forth a lawsuit.
In Florida, 106 churches sued the United Methodist Church (UMC) because it charged them large amounts of money to leave, according to a recently filed lawsuit.
The National Center for Life and Liberty (NCLL) represents these churches.
The departure price varies from church to church, said Jonathan Bailie, the chief operations and financial officer of the NCLL.
Some congregations must pay over $1 million, while others must pay under $100,000, he clarified. But in previous decades, leaving the UMC has been free.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
GoodDeal 7/25/2022 11:38:58 PM (No. 1228631)
It is a false teaching religion. Just the kind the Bible warns of. All about the money. Greed is a sign of Satan and not a sign of Jesus.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
DVC 7/25/2022 11:42:39 PM (No. 1228632)
I was raised Methodist, but have absolutely NO trust or connection to the national Methodist church. They gave become a danger, even evil.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
SweetPea3 7/26/2022 12:10:51 AM (No. 1228639)
The same thing happened in the Presbyterian church. Went thru the same machinations and split the Bible based PCA off from the woke PCUSA.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
PostAway 7/26/2022 12:28:11 AM (No. 1228644)
What is it with all this gay propaganda? We are sinking in a flood of LGBQ+ smothering our discourse. Maybe someone more astute than I can answer as to why this homosexual assault is so forceful and why now? So we won’t procreate? The story mentions a drag queen minister who wants to include drag queen shows in his church. This not only reveals a disdain for the seriousness of Christianity but a hatred of women. The sexually perverse young man whose drag name is Miss Penny Cost enjoys showing off by publicly affecting the persona of a cheap, comic burlesque version of womanhood, a wide pantomime of femininity that reveals a deeply held disdain or even hatred of women. How is this different from the same young man showing up at church in blackface and doing a Steppinfetchit routine? This is not love and it is not leadership. The mainline Christian churches following this path are hemorrhaging members and rightly so.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Venturer 7/26/2022 12:36:09 AM (No. 1228648)
This is what happens when Homosexuals have run the Church into the ground.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
schach 7/26/2022 2:53:57 AM (No. 1228667)
Welcome to the Hotel California
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
slsusnr 7/26/2022 6:18:37 AM (No. 1228747)
There are alternatives for those sick of these woke churches. Crossroads.net
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
WhamDBambam 7/26/2022 6:31:28 AM (No. 1228752)
This is happening to some of my good friends' Methodist church. It's riven their small community.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
walcb 7/26/2022 7:05:01 AM (No. 1228782)
I was baptized Methodist and haven't been to a Methodist church in 45 years (other than funerals).
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
downnout 7/26/2022 7:27:57 AM (No. 1228800)
Since when did churches start charging if one of the flock decided to leave?
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
Pammie 7/26/2022 8:10:32 AM (No. 1228834)
The "United" Methodist Church came to existence in the early 1960's. The Homosexual agenda is a front to the actual reason the UMC is splitting. Some United Methodist Church's Preachers, District Superintendents and Bishops do NOT believe that Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary, that Jesus was the Son of God, and that Jesus died on the Cross for our earthly sins. Their view of the Bible is fiction. It is as simple as that! The UMC has been trying to split for over two years, but Covid-1984, etc. always prevented the actual split. If the conservative churches leave the "United" Methodist Church then so does the money. Conservatives give tons more money to charities and churches than marxist liberals.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
WI Cynic 7/26/2022 8:21:52 AM (No. 1228850)
The cost is to cover 2 years' apportionments (dues, essentially), plus the purchase of the church property, plus the court costs for both parties.
My wife's church of 20 active and perhaps 20 more occasional congregants is looking at $50,000 to get off the Titanic. This part of Wisconsin is NOT affluent. A closed church building in the next county sold for $5,000.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
padiva 7/26/2022 8:24:34 AM (No. 1228855)
I was raised in a Methodist church and attended a Methodist college.
I left in 1978. The scales fell off my eyes.
I attend a Bible- believing and Bible-teaching church. PTL
I know my eternal destination.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
AltaD 7/26/2022 8:32:55 AM (No. 1228860)
FTA: Florida Bishop Ken Carter wrote in a press release that blamed departing theological conservatives for refusing a “gracious exit.”
Gracious exit?! Forcing the true Methodists to pay tens of thousands, or in some cases millions of dollars to leave is vindictive as hell.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
MickTurn 7/26/2022 10:31:34 AM (No. 1228972)
Rename the church...we have LOTS of those that left the Baptist Church in Texas...the preaching is very similar they just don't use the term "Baptist" anymore...problem solved!
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
DVC 7/26/2022 10:49:47 AM (No. 1229000)
IMO, the church congregations need to just walk away, pay nothing. The empty building will quickly be sold for 5-10% of the cost the the extortionists want to exit. Buy it back at 5% cost and reconsecrate as your new conservative "name it what you want" church.
Don't pay the extortionists.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
Speedypetey 7/27/2022 8:56:27 AM (No. 1229887)
Our local teleprompter readers did a narrative on the decline of organized religion. They went to a local Methodist and Lutheran church where the Sunday service was a few hundred. They avoided our biblical teaching inspirational non nondenominational church with 3,000 members and four sheriffs directing traffic and there for security. And...there are two other churches on the same drive there with similar attendance. So don't believe the script readers.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
red1066 7/27/2022 9:11:51 AM (No. 1229902)
The leftists got a hold of the Methodists decades ago, and the money will be used to promote leftists ideas and help illegals. Having grown up as a Methodist I started noticing the change by in the late 70's. Some Methodist churches still adhere to the older traditional services, but too many have gone Socialist and promote a political idea not in line with the founding of the U.S.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
Zigrid 7/27/2022 9:16:05 AM (No. 1229905)
Follow the money folks...this is nothing but a grab for the money...and God's work is not about money...it's about freeing the soul to follow the Bible teaching...not the acquisition of funds....
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
athina 7/27/2022 9:52:40 AM (No. 1229952)
after the General Conference 2019 in which the Book of Discipline ordinances regarding homosexual pastors and marriage were upheld, the liberals refused to comply. A group of conservative, moderate and liberal leaders met and hammered out an agreement for a graceful exit from the denomination for any individual church, given the unsurmountable impasse over the issue. It was to be voted on at GC 2020 but covid interfered. The conservatives forged ahead creating the structure for a new denomination, the Global Methodist Church, for those churches wishing to leave. But In the meantime, it appears the liberals in charge domestically have determined not to allow that vote and to play hardball with the conservative churches who want to leave.
I don’t know how a civil case can resolve this internal issue.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
PrayerWarrior 7/27/2022 9:57:58 AM (No. 1229965)
What is happening today is the separation of the sheep from the goats.
In my 20s I was a member of the Methodist Church in San Jose, CA. but when the pastor started preaching from articles in the newspaper and not the bible, I left.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
athina 7/27/2022 10:23:00 AM (No. 1229996)
For sure, #21. God’s plan unfolding.
I grew up attending a United Methodist church, not developing any kind of faith but when I decided that to raise my own children we needed to learn about the Lord, I returned there. It was a wonderful warm place for several years but things began to go south with local strife and then I was noticing all the extreme statements coming out of the Board of Church and Society, but was told by the pastor that they were just a crazy liberal faction that didnt speak for the UMC. Lol. They were funded by the umc and the press reported everything they said, so…
My church simply did not teach the gospel. We learned nothing there.
Unfortunately, the desire to hold on and hope for change was strong, lasted 19 years until our youngest went off to college in 2014.
We were led to a real church that has changed our lives. Praise the Lord for His mercy and grace. Praying for all those who don’t yet see His love and authority.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
ProudSaber 7/27/2022 11:37:34 AM (No. 1230102)
I agree with the church's trying to leave UMC. What is at heart of this matter is the Retirement System. They have to sue to get their retirement. That is why "it's about money" As a Methodist, I have been at the crossroads of leaving for about 6 years. Our last minister supported all the liberal ideals. He even said it in his sermon on at least two occasions. I kept hearing what was going on at conference. I've been searching for a church that believed in a bible. I still practice and believe but without the brick and mortar. The Methodist saying was Open Doors, Open Minds and Open Hearts. I have found the doors are locked; minds are not open but open hearts are only open to those who believe like they believe. 20 years ago, through a friend I saw the battle in the Episcopalian Church. I did not think it would happen in My Church. It's like "they came for my friend, and I never believed they would come for me - Germany -1930s! I will go back to a Church and have been searching! So far the non-denominational and Baptists are the most God Fearing and appealing.
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The pro gay marriage liberals never won a vote at a Methodist convention but the succeded in gaining control of the name and the property of the Methodist church basically by promising eternal war on the orthodox Christians who essentially didn't have the moral fiber to kick the liberals out. Ruthlessness makes up for numbers. Now the orthodox have to buy their way out or accept liberal dogma and liberal preachers.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
danu 7/27/2022 3:54:32 PM (No. 1230297)
We are Catholic. We've had multiple schisms throughout the millennia--and they still hurt the soul.
It is painful-nigh unto criminal --to see the horrid cynical tearing asunder of decades- old families and communities
and traditions in your denominations.
I have to agree, however --never give in to blackmail or wokeism-it never ends.
Plant yourselves elsewhere for free--and bloom therein.
We have witnessed conservative Anglicans re-entering communion with the Catholics; Messianic Jews departed and opened up their
haven-in space afforded to them by Christian Scientists.
In England, Walsingham was one of the greatest Marian shrines in Europe for many many centuries; but, Catholics eventually
became as scarce as hens' teeth. 400 years later, it is reviving, and running out of space. They've been accomodated by the local
Anglicans, who also administer the grounds of the ancient buildings.
Pray, pass your own plates if needs be, re-pot yourselves, and know : God will provide. This too shall pass.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
Ditto1958 7/27/2022 4:17:22 PM (No. 1230316)
Didn’t think much about it at the time, but I attended the funeral of a family friend a few years ago, and the pastor at the UMC church was a woman. A couple of years later I saw her in a nearby town with another woman who appeared to be her “partner.”
What is going on in our world? The Bible hasn’t changed. The meaning of the Word Of God is the same as it has ever been. Homosexuals should not be clergy in Christian churches.
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
TJ54 7/27/2022 5:17:52 PM (No. 1230343)
The Methodist Church was taken over by homosexuals and lesbians
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
4Justice 7/27/2022 6:24:59 PM (No. 1230388)
17, there is a decline in organized religion. Just not in attendance. It is the decline of morals and adherence to scripture. The big organizations have been taken over by the woke libertines looking to destroy people's faith. It is all part of the tyrants' agenda to rid the country of all mainstream religion and faith in God so they can conquer and enslave us.
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
pensom2 7/27/2022 6:27:23 PM (No. 1230392)
#15 has the right idea, in my view. The congregants should simply abandon the meeting place owned by the United Methodist Church, organize themselves as an independent church organization and rent a place to hold Sunday meetings. When the meetinghouse now being used comes up for sale in a year or two, someone should buy it, change the name on the front, and the congregation should move back in. This business of paying cash to break off from the UMC seems warped to me. After all the dust settles, the congregants can each send certified letters to the UMC, asking their names to be removed as members of the UMC, then they can do what they like to establish their membership in the new church or congregation.
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
OK state mom 7/27/2022 8:04:20 PM (No. 1230494)
United Methodist Church in neighboring County, Ardmore. OK, voted by 90% to disaffiliate. Voted by 98% to join Global Methodist Church. Did not hear the amount but led to believe it will be paid.
Asbury UMC in Tulsa, largest UMC in Oklahoma left in May. Members are flocking from Boston Avenue UMC every Sunday to now Asbury Church.
A church in Northern Georgia voted to leave. They have paid the 13.1 million in ransom.
I doubt my church has the money to leave. I'll ride it out until the vote. I will not stay.
The church approved, in Illinois, for ordination a man who preaches in drag as Miss Penny Cost. G-d will not tolerate blaspheme.
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
OK state mom 7/27/2022 8:10:44 PM (No. 1230496)
#24 disagree with you on moral fiber. Traditionalist could have stayed and slugged it out with Liberals but the deck was stacked. Better use of G-d's resources and gifts to get out now. Many Methodist Churches are ready to return to the biblical roots founded by John Wesley and make a stand with their hearts, minds, and pocketbooks. That takes moral fiber. You must know your opponent.
Good Rob Renfroe from The Woodlands. TX. He explains it all very well.
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
Ketchuplover 7/27/2022 8:27:19 PM (No. 1230510)
This is a heresy that has spread from Germany to the United States in the last century. (You can see the results by all the empty churches in Europe, some of which are nothing but concert halls and museums.) The heresy is simply this: Man is wiser than God. If something in the Bible doesn't seem to make sense, then it either was not originally there, or it was meant figuratively. The 6-Day Creation, Jonah and the Fish, the Virgin Birth, etc....on the surface seem to go against common sense, so they were rejected. This heresy has infected all mainline churches. In the early 70s, one of the two seminaries of The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod was teaching this heresy. It took a growing number of lay people to sound the alarm on what they were hearing from their freshly-graduated pastors. This led to the synod purging that seminary of its false doctrine. About 80% of the faculty and students walked out --- eventually to join what is now the ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church in America). About 6-7 professors remained and perhaps 20 or so students. The seminary had to rebuild its faculty and enrollment and especially curriculum. It was a long process, but the fruit of that pruning has been a return to the inerrant and inspired Word of God. Sadly, many church bodies accepted this heresy, including the ELCA (which no longer stands for anything), and also the mainline Methodists, and many others.
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Reply 33 - Posted by:
Scout Finch 7/27/2022 10:48:39 PM (No. 1230597)
You have a great point #4. It is NO different than white folks in the 30’s doing blackface Steppin Fetchit routines! It is demeaning to all women!!!!
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