No, let's not be kind to Alec
American Thinker,
by
J.R. Dunn
Original Article
Posted By: Magnante,
10/23/2021 9:19:12 AM
There have been a number of suggestions, from the conservative press as much as elsewhere, that we should go easy on poor Alec Baldwin concerning the terrible âaccidentâ that resulted in a âtragedyâ at his New Mexico filming location.
No, we should not. It was not an accident, and it is not a tragedy.
There a four primary rules of firearms handling, codified many years ago by firearms expert Jeff Cooper. Everyone serious about firearms has long ago (snip) It seems clear that Baldwin ignored every last one of these.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
Knotwyrkin 10/23/2021 9:21:59 AM (No. 954961)
It was NOT an "accident". It was careless malfeasance.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
fhancock 10/23/2021 9:36:30 AM (No. 954975)
There are morons and then there are special super, duper morons AKA Alec Baldwin...to anyone who has been around firearms what he did is so grievous that he should go to jail for being terminally stupid
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Calamity Kate 10/23/2021 9:37:07 AM (No. 954976)
All I have to say is this past week has provided the motherlode of meme worthy content.
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After being vilified for the last 40 years as a gun owner by leftist sphincters' like Baldwin, going easy on him never occurred to me.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
weirdone 10/23/2021 9:45:16 AM (No. 954987)
Negligent homicide, enough said.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
zephyrgirl 10/23/2021 9:48:43 AM (No. 954996)
Being the cynic I am, I'm sure this episode will only increase his anti-gun rhetoric once he gets over the shock of shooting two people, and killing one. A smart person would keep his mouth shut, but no one ever accused Alec Baldwin of being smart.
My only hope is that as the co-producer of the movie, the victims sue the pants off of him. The cinematographer's family has nothing to lose, but the director will probably knuckle under in hopes of not being blacklisted in Hollywood.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
sanspeur 10/23/2021 9:50:38 AM (No. 955000)
isnât it at the least ânegligent homicideâ ? not an accident ? Is there truth that A B was waving the gun around and ranting against PDJT â ? or is that a droll fellow ahead of the meme avalanche to come ?
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Hey Alec,
Donald Trump never killed anyone.
Loser.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
brother ram 10/23/2021 10:07:22 AM (No. 955026)
Just imagine PDJT visiting AB in prison, better yet PDJT doing an SNL skit about AB in prison - priceless.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
DVC 10/23/2021 10:11:51 AM (No. 955036)
One poster has said that the firearm was a shotgun. I haven't heard that elsewhere.
Shotgun blanks and live ammo are almost identical in appearance.
Blanks:
https://image.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/1/195383_ts.jpg
Live shells:
https://image.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/1/186298m2_ts.jpg
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
rikkitikki 10/23/2021 10:15:28 AM (No. 955039)
Two questions:
1. Who was the legal owner of the weapon? If it was Alec Baldwin, this case rises to another level altogether...
2. Security guards are one thing, but why were there live rounds in a weapon being used as a movie prop?
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
downnout 10/23/2021 10:24:18 AM (No. 955051)
If it was in fact a live round, my question is what in blazes is live ammo doing on a film set??!? I learned firearms safety at five years old with my Red Ryder BB gun. My dad would have spanked me to kingdom come had I ever pointed it at someone.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
DVC 10/23/2021 10:29:31 AM (No. 955058)
#11, occasionally, at least in the past, actors used their own handguns and holsters. If you look at John Wayne, he used the same holster and belt in many movies, and the same oversized yellow, finger-grooved grips, at least, in many movies.
But, from what I have read, most movie guns are owned by movie rental houses, rented to the movie company for the duration. Occasionally, the actor will buy the movie gun if it is particularly iconic.
For example, Tom Selleck bought one of the rifles used in the movie, "Quigley, Down Under".
And some actors got involved in the business themselves. If you ever find a beat up old rifle that is stamped "Batjac" on it in several places.....that is the mark of John Wayne's movie company and they owned and rented a lot of guns. The few 'Batjac' rifles that I have seen detailed photos of were really beat up messes, unforunately. The 'Quigley' rifle was displayed in the NRA Museum, last I heard. I saw it there.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
Califedup 10/23/2021 10:37:37 AM (No. 955069)
Alec Baldwin is a communist death democrat piece of crap. Send his ass to prison for manslaughter where he get a major brutal dose of reality. I'll bet his only real emotion about taking someone's life by his own hand is to cover his butt and avoid paying any kind of consequences.
Besides Baldwin resides in the upper tier elite level of our justice system and will not suffer any personal punishment for what he did.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
bad-hair 10/23/2021 10:43:10 AM (No. 955075)
Guns have one purpose. To kill.
Actors like Baldwin will pick them up to look cool and make money.
Black kids in Chicago murder each with their COOL guns.
BALDWIN and most of Hollywood bear a LOT of responsibility for that.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
JrSample 10/23/2021 11:11:41 AM (No. 955105)
Live ammo is never allowed on a movie set. The fact that the union stage crew walked-off the set merely hours before this happened makes me suspect that this is a set-up, where some disgruntled union thug slipped a live round into a weapon as a means of sabotaging the movie. Not a big fan of Arec Bardwin [except for his performance in Team America; World Police], there are rules involved in making stage combat look real while keeping it safe. The armorer and prop master are the ones who are responsible for keeping everyone inline by enforcing these established rules. And... yes, there was no good reason for him to have been pointing it in anyone's direction, whether loaded or unloaded nor discharging blanks with anyone in the line-of-fire. Those who were hit should have known better and objected to unsafe gun handling before this happened, especially the Director who is overall responsible for the set.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
Vaquero45 10/23/2021 11:12:33 AM (No. 955106)
This is negligence writ large, pure and simple. The film crew left because of unsafe conditions that the producer - Alec Baldwin - chose to ignore. Then, instead of standing down for a safety briefing and getting his crew back from Hollywood, Baldwin hired some incompetent locals and continued. Their supposed âarmorerâ left a loaded weapon in a cart, unsupervised. Another incompetent grabbed the loaded weapon out of the cart and, without checking it (because he probably didnât know how) handed it to Baldwin and told him it was safe. Baldwin, without examining the weapon to see if it was loaded, pointed it at two people and PULLED THE TRIGGER.
Baldwin is going to get his ass sued off. From this point on, any production heâs associated with will be uninsurable. Without insurance, nothing gets filmed. And depending on what else gets revealed, he could still be criminally charged.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
davew 10/23/2021 11:19:03 AM (No. 955113)
The circumstances of this accident are suspicious. There apparently was some kind of labor dispute that preceded the shot where crew members walked off the set and were replaced. The armorer was new and a replacement for the original technician but she had prior experience and new the rules. She left the gun for the shot on a cart which was then picked up by the AD who handed the gun to Baldwin. This is a violation of safety protocols and did not include a final check of the chamber and barrel by the armorer before the actual shot.
The most damning circumstance was that there is no legitimate reason why a live round should ever be anywhere near a movie set with live actors. We can't rule out the possibility that "someone" had a beef with either the production people or Baldwin himself and set them up with a live round. The number of people involved are fairly limited so it should be possible to get to the truth at some point.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
Starlifter Nav 10/23/2021 12:05:47 PM (No. 955149)
I emailed the Red State writer yesterday with similar thoughts.
I've also heard the shotgun theory. I tend to doubt it - the western themed story line would have more likely involved revolvers. And although not impossible, I'd think shotgun pellets would be less likely to overpenetrate with such devastating results.
All of that said, "Guns have one purpose..." is the kind of leftist nonsense better suited to, say.... Alec Baldwin and his ilk.
Can a gun when improperly handled be dangerous? Absolutely. So can a chainsaw. Any tool can be.
Millions of gun owners, however, use their firearms daily, without ever killing anyone or anything.
They use them to protect themselves and their loved ones, almost always without ever firing a shot. They compete in shooting sports that test both their skills and their knowledge. Thye put food on the table and spend time in the wild, knowing they can address danger should it find them.
The service weapon on the duty belt of a police officer (many of whom go an entire career without ever firing it on the street) is not there to kill. It is there to deter the criminal, and protect the citizen from danger. Sometimes it is all that stands between the officer and the danger he is duty bound to confront.
"Guns have one purpose..." is language without forethought. Time to retire the phrase and the notion.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
Kumoan 10/23/2021 12:18:53 PM (No. 955170)
Must be the gun; a noted firearm expert like Comrade Baldwin would surely not
have made a mistake. /s
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
Kafka2 10/23/2021 12:22:28 PM (No. 955174)
Alec Baldwin made quite a display of sorrow for killing one person and wounding another. Reporters have suggested we should few sympathy because of this. Need I remind everyone that he is an actor. Sympathy should be for the victims and their families, not for the criminal negligent person that shot them. Why he was pointing the gun at them at all is proof of negligence. Being an antigun advocate you would hope he would not have been so irresponsible with a gun. But, he was.
He should pay the full penalty for this crime.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
bigfatslob 10/23/2021 12:51:54 PM (No. 955192)
I viewed the pictures of the movie set it appeared to be a western theme. What I would have to guess the arms were 19th century types not modern DA revolvers or auto loading pistols and rifles. A whole different set of safety rules for these firearms. If the gun Baldwin fired would not have been a point, pull the trigger and fire. One more step is required a conscious act to pull the hammer back. If Baldwin did that then pointed it at someone then pulled the trigger then the act become curious. Was it on purpose?
I dismiss that it was a blank to enter one person pass through them then hit someone else in the line of fire, that's not a blank then the question is how did a live round get on the set and in that firearm?
There's curious things that happened in this production with very serious occurrences.
I would have no mercy on this loud mouth, gun hating actor, Alec Baldwin it's pay back time.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
Toodles3956 10/23/2021 1:14:36 PM (No. 955221)
Dummy me! All of these years I thought the guns were all replicas that couldn't hurt anyone. As an actor, Alex is very good. As a person, I have my doubts.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
Jethro bo 10/23/2021 1:44:32 PM (No. 955258)
Nothing happens. Baldwin didnât murder an accepted quota. True he killed a female. But her whiteness trumps female. Baldwin should thank his lucky star he didnât kill a real live quota
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
Sandbar 10/23/2021 2:25:30 PM (No. 955284)
Try to imagine what Baldwin would be tweeting had this happened to Clint Eastwood.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
Jethro bo 10/23/2021 2:43:16 PM (No. 955295)
Baldwin and all fascist should be proud. At least Baldwin didnât hurt anyoneâs feeling with a mean tweet
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
Miester 10/23/2021 3:45:59 PM (No. 955353)
I figured he was handed the gun in the meatly pointed it at somebody and pull the trigger, no excuse for handling any kind of fire on that way
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
DVC 10/23/2021 3:59:56 PM (No. 955381)
Not true, #15.
Many guns are made to punch holes in targets or break clay targets flying through the air. They might be capable of killing, but that is NOT "why" they were made, it is NOT their intended purpose.
Yes, many are intended for killing animals, or for even use in self defense. But certainly not all, by any means. Many are particularly unsuited by design for hunting or self defense, but could be press into that service if needed.
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
MickTurn 10/23/2021 4:20:13 PM (No. 955407)
This is technically called Manslaughter!
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
Heil Liberals 10/23/2021 4:22:03 PM (No. 955410)
Iâm trying to figure out why there would be a live round in any prop gun. By live round, I mean one with a projectile. Of course, there is always the possibility that a fragment of metal could come off of a blank. But by all accounts, this projectile was significant enough to pass through and wound another. That sounds like a bullet to me.
The author is correct. Shoddy management led to this outcome. If they pushed on in spite of warnings and actions by professionals, then liability will be and should be to the moon. And, Alec Baldwin should go to prison. What an arrogant ass.
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
paral04 10/23/2021 4:47:41 PM (No. 955447)
Anyone have a clue as to why he pulled the trigger?
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
RuckusTom 10/23/2021 5:57:05 PM (No. 955487)
All guns are loaded and ready to go at the pull of the trigger ... even when they're not loaded and ready at the pull of the trigger.
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