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Posted By: RockyTCB, 1/17/2025 9:35:15 AM

Remember back at the start of President Donald Trump’s first term in office, when the pundit class was telling us that the Deep State was all a figment of his paranoid imagination? The subsequent eight years of the Russia hoax, bogus impeachments, and lawfare should have been proof enough that it is real. Now, as Trump is about to begin his second term, a new poll shows just how deeply embedded the Deep State is, and why it has to be dismantled. [snip] M. Stanton Evans wrote extensively in the 1980s about how the federal bureaucracy actively thwarted Ronald Reagan’s

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Lucky5 1/17/2025 9:41:19 AM (No. 1875327)
A lot of these people are gonna burrow in like the worms that they are, and be hard to get rid of. I hope all the fresh eyes Trump is bringing in find them and get rid of them. This is a huge problem and has been for decades.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: bpl40 1/17/2025 9:59:20 AM (No. 1875338)
The one benefit of the last four years has been that these 'Deep Staters' have unwittingly or otherwise exposed themselves. Who they are. Where they exist and how they operate. You might not get all of them in four years. But you can put the fear of God in the rest of them. The Vance Administration can finish the job!
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Reply 3 - Posted by: smak90 1/17/2025 10:18:33 AM (No. 1875355)
Move the agencies from DC to the border states in border cities and also to low income states and the problem will take care of itself.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: jeffkinnh 1/17/2025 10:31:48 AM (No. 1875362)
I'm not worried about getting rid of them. Trump clearly has the power to reassign or fire whoever he wants to. They may fight it but the SCOTUS has clearly stated that the President has the Constitutional authority to structure the Executive branch as he sees fit, within the law. I doubt the law says that a specific person is entitled to a specific job. At the minimum, Trump could assign the problem individual to be "Director of Closets" and provide them with an appropriate closet office. I am worried about FINDING these people. Some may be easy, with blatant Leftist attitudes and antagonism. "Great! You're FIRED!" But others may be imbedded spies and may be hard to ferret out. I would suspect that there would be whistle blowers that could drop a dime on such people but then it would take some time to check them out. The main thing here is to set clear goals and a HARD timeline. If you don't get the job done satisfactorily, you are either resisting or incompetent (another major problem in government). "Great! You're now the director of steps (building steps). It's an outside job." Over time they will be gone. Since they can't be effective resisting without showing the contrary results they want, they MUST out themselves, one way or another, contrary results or no progress toward Conservative goals. It will be funny to see Elon and Vivek cracking the productivity whip. The bureaucracy will be shocked I tell you, absolutely shocked!
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Reply 5 - Posted by: DVC 1/17/2025 11:13:11 AM (No. 1875405)
Not shocking. These obstructive bureaucrats must be located and removed. I suggest a hot line for "obstructionist bureaucrats" to be reported. Once reported, investigate, and if valid, remove the obstruction.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Rand Al'Thor 1/17/2025 11:15:27 AM (No. 1875407)
One of the reasons we need to buy Greenland is to find a place more remote than Utqiagvik Alaska to transfer any deep staters that refuse to quit. (Say like Nunatame Greenland).
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Reply 7 - Posted by: jimincalif 1/17/2025 11:16:56 AM (No. 1875410)
Personnel is policy, this is the Achilles heel of any attempt to reform government. What’s needed is a Stalinesque purge of the administrative state, maybe without the death penalty or gulag. But we don’t do that here. The real power lies with Congress to defund the administrative state, but the Republicans barely have a majority, and within their ranks are too many squishes who don’t want to rock the boat, and too many RINOs who are beholden to the administrative state and the industries and lobbyists who use it to their advantage. So most bureaucrats will remain on the job, some will actively resist, some will passively resist, others will lay low and wait for the next election cycle to play out.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: chagrined 1/17/2025 11:28:48 AM (No. 1875414)
I can distill a good deal of your post, #4. There are quite a few Deep Staters who are aka Rinos. Anyone who would run on a Conservative platform, then turn around and stab their party in the back after being elected, imo that's a GREAT Deep State candidate! Talk about a bunch of people needing to be ferreted out, especially before the next primary season.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: udanja99 1/17/2025 12:43:47 PM (No. 1875479)
#3, may I suggest that we start by moving a few agencies to Oklahoma? It’s the only state which went solid red in the election - not a single blue county to be seen. Most of the deep state leeches would quit before moving there and then those agencies could be staffed with local conservatives.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: rikkitikki 1/17/2025 1:44:43 PM (No. 1875513)
Every new presidential administration gets to replace the ranking members of every Federal department, so as to insure that those leaders support the incoming POTUS. Simply requiring every lower-ranking member of every Federal department to swear an oath of loyalty would simply extend that same logic to the working minions that actually implement presidential policies. It could be enforced with clear definitions of what comprises a violation, with violators subject to immediate termination, loss of pension and benefits, etc. I recall that Obama did a purge of hundreds of conservative high-ranking officials in the DOD and other departments, which allowed perps like Milley and Austin to float to the top...and just look how that turned out. A similar purge by Trump, although comprising a purge of the liberal and communist leaders, would be a great first step.
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