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Gun Hobbyists (and Liberty) Win Big in Court

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Posted By: zoidberg, 11/13/2023 9:12:32 AM

The Biden administration's scheme to threaten the public with tightened gun-control regulations by reinterpreting laws to mean what they never meant in the past is running into some speed bumps. Stumbling over one of those obstacles is an attempt by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) to define unfinished firearm frames and receivers—functionally, paperweights—as firearms for the purpose of regulating homemade "ghost guns."

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Reply 1 - Posted by: mc squared 11/13/2023 10:38:49 AM (No. 1597629)
'...the proposed rule constitutes unlawful agency action..' Un-elected appointees in 3-letter agencies making their own laws and usurping the role of Congress. Let me count the ways.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: DVC 11/13/2023 11:41:28 AM (No. 1597684)
This is excellent news. I know a number of people who have built guns in recent years from these partially built frames. Some aren't nearly as easy as they say, others aren't too difficult. I'm thinking that this may be appealed and go to the Supreme Court, but perhaps they'll let it lay. With the recent WVa SCOTUS ruling on regulatory agencies overstepping their legislative authority, this will probably be upheld at the SCOTUS level, or they may just refuse to hear it - since they have essentially already decided the issue with the WVa case. In any case, Americans have been building their own guns since the 1600s, and until 1968 at least half the guns sold commercially had no serial numbers. There are still many older guns circulating that never had a serial number....and somehow the world continued to turn on it's axis. SNs are not a significant factor in most criminal investigations, contrary to the lies the anti-gun folks always tell.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Jethro bo 11/13/2023 12:43:11 PM (No. 1597727)
I don’t understand the Supreme Joke. When a court slaps down an unconstitutional law or regulation the Supreme Joke instantly stays the decision to allow the goobernment to continue unconstitutional laws/regulations. Why?
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Reply 4 - Posted by: chumley 11/13/2023 2:41:38 PM (No. 1597787)
Its nice to see the good guys win every once in a while. I personally have never built a gun. I spend far too much time and headaches with the ones someone else built. Still, a win is a win.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: DVC 11/13/2023 4:41:41 PM (No. 1597846)
Re #3, your claim isn't correct. You should try to understand the process better. There are times when injuctions are filed and other things which are not the same as "striking down". It is important to read and understand the legal process. Just skimming the headlines doesn't get one the facts, and without understanding the often obsure legal terminology, it can be very unclear what is actually happening a times. If you are actually interested, there are many Youtube channels which discuss these legal issues. I can recommend "Armed-Attorneys" for one which often clarifies these cases.
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