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The Long Term Payback from the Ukraine War

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Posted By: Judy W., 9/8/2023 9:30:16 AM

A recent Zero Hedge article contains an interesting quote as to why the U.S. warhawks want the Ukraine war: Beltway liberal elites... still think Russia must be punished given they see Moscow as having brought the "bad orange man" to power in 2016. Sounds crazy, but that would explain what I have experienced on the ground (physically and linguistically) in Ukraine. Ukrainian Trump Derangement Syndrome (Snip) My Ukrainian language comprehension has increased dramatically over the past year (I am a fluent Russian speaker), and Ukrainian language news has opened my eyes to a side of Ukraine I despise.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: TexaTucky 9/8/2023 10:00:45 AM (No. 1551839)
Excellent insight. Wish I had written this. Having lived and worked in Russia, Ukraine, and Bulgaria for a combined 3+ years - and being a near-fluent speaker of Russian - I'm well acquainted with the Slavic soul (for which I have a great affinity). I have been hopeful for their future at various points in the past, but in the end they are Slavs. Corruption is endemic to their cultures. We are been rused into financing it. Naive slavophiles believe in "freedom fighters" who are the good guys fighting off the bad guys. And that may be true on a grassroots level among the cannon fodder depending on the fervor whipped up in them by their lying governments (see Viet Nam, Afghanistan, Iraq wars for American equivalents), but in the end the true fight is not for freedom, but for the separation of the money and the power from the proletariat so it can be redistributed to the ruling class. Which is the only way the Hegelian dialectic could ever turn out.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: felixcat 9/8/2023 10:13:24 AM (No. 1551863)
I can see these American and European backpackers hanging out and living very well. But then again, listened to Rep Waltz (R-FL) on local talk radio say that we have to continue to support Ukraine because they are doing the fighting and dying keeping Putin from re-constituting a greater MotherRussia. So disgusted with these Iraq and/or Afghanistan combat veterans being so rah rah on another foreign engagement involving the USA - even if we are not actually over there fighting.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Jesuslover54 9/8/2023 10:45:21 AM (No. 1551898)
So they grow wheat, who cares? We grow wheat.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: stablemoney 9/8/2023 12:00:27 PM (No. 1551987)
If America "wins", America will have to support Ukraine forever. If Russia "wins", they will have to support Ukraine forever.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: NotaBene 9/8/2023 12:36:48 PM (No. 1552016)
On the other hand, I love Trump and revile the forever wars.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: RubiconDan 9/8/2023 12:54:01 PM (No. 1552029)
This article is pure Russian propaganda. They are great at psyops and getting better at fooling Americans with this absolute bulls*&t. My wife is Ukrainian, we have many friends now in Ukraine. The Ukrainian youth are not fooled by Russia, they know and understand who they are fighting and why. They DO NOT hate Trump and they understand the idiot that is Biden, but they also know that some in America will not continue to support them in their fight for survival. Why is it that every Eastern European country that has a border with Russia supports Ukraine? It is because they know and fear Russian brutality. Why did about 300,000 Russian young men flee Russia when they had their first general mobilization? Who now fights for Russia? Only the very poor in outlying Russia who have so very little work or hope. Also, look at what happened in Georgia in 2008, a much smaller Christian country that foolishly thought they could ignore their neighbor. Russia continues to purposely target non-military civilian targets with daily cruise missile attacks, just a few days ago a missile hit an outside market near Kiev killing and wounding over 100 people. That is state terrorism. Why is the spirit of the Ukrainian people so courageous and determined to battle overwhelming Russian numbers? Because Ukraine was invaded, not liberated. Yes, there is corruption inside Ukraine. What, is there no corruption inside the US? Ha. Russia is a terrorist state that is supported by North Korea, Red China, and Iran. Yes, Ukraine was thoroughly corrupted while under Russian control and while a Russia puppet, that had a pitiful military until 2013, with only 6,000 poorly trained soldiers without gear, which was totally by Russian design. Until 2013, they were controlled and subdued by an mafia oligarchy. They are fighting a war for survival and also battling to root out 100 years of Russian influence and corruption, which is not easy or fast.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Kate318 9/8/2023 2:02:14 PM (No. 1552090)
USA out of Ukraine now.
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