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Are We the Byzantines?

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Posted By: Moritz55, 3/17/2023 12:52:02 AM

When Constantinople finally fell to the Ottomans on Tuesday, May 29, 1453, the Byzantine Empire and its capital had up to that point survived for 1,000 years beyond the fall of the Western Empire at Rome. Always outnumbered in a sea of enemies, the Byzantines' survival had depended on its realist diplomacy of dividing its enemies, avoiding military quagmires, and ensuring constant deterrence. Generations of self-sacrifice ensured ample investment for infrastructure. Each generation inherited and improved on singular aqueducts and cisterns, sewer systems, and the most complex and formidable city fortifications in the world.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Timber Queen 3/17/2023 2:12:52 AM (No. 1427016)
Well, Professor Hanson about sums it up. We are headed for the ash heap of history. Unless our society returns to our Judaeo-Christian roots; with God first, protecting life from the womb to the tomb, honoring marriage between a man and a woman, protecting the innocence of children, and not tolerating deviant lifestyles. If it isn't too late already, may God have mercy on us. St. Michael the Archangel protect us in battle...
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Reply 2 - Posted by: EJKrausJr 3/17/2023 3:34:44 AM (No. 1427027)
Nope. We are the Western Roman Empire. The Barbarians are well within the gates of Rome. Our best General, Flavius Belisarius has been killed. The Ruling Elites are long gone, headed for the seven hills. The Roman populace is now being pillaged by the Wokes, the new Red Guard. Civilization as we once knew it is no longer. We got what we deserved. We let them in and let the Wokes thrive.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: mifla 3/17/2023 4:30:20 AM (No. 1427037)
I hope the woke crowd realizes that they are going to have to live in the world they are creating.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Strike3 3/17/2023 5:45:11 AM (No. 1427073)
Self-sacrifice, investment in infrastructure, avoiding military quagmires? Nope, doesn't sound like us.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: MOBeef4u 3/17/2023 7:43:19 AM (No. 1427119)
We have the benefit of knowing history. The question becomes will we learn from it or seal our doom by repeating it? At this point I'd say it's a toss-up.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Ida Lou Pino 3/17/2023 8:40:56 AM (No. 1427159)
1453 is one of the most significant dates in world history. Yet few know of it - - or know why it's so important. Before and up to 1453 - - the operative political structure was the Roman Empire. It's former powerful existence - - and the subsequent efforts to revive and recapture its influence. But once Constantinople fell - - the idea of the Roman Empire was dashed - - and a new political zeitgeist had to be created. That new format was the nation-state - - based on ethnic and linguistic heritage. That's why we have "nations" today - - because the Roman Empire concept had to be abandoned after 1453.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: FJB 3/17/2023 8:48:00 AM (No. 1427165)
VDH is brilliant, as always. But that we allowed a traitor to divide our nation while profiting from sealing America's fate would be beyond belief if it wasn't observably true.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: RubiconDan 3/17/2023 9:15:55 AM (No. 1427185)
In My Opinion, we will survive, but only the red blooded Americans, have the gumption to unite against the others who are blinded by warmism/wokism ideology. We will survive after a red vs blue realignment within the US, so smaller in size and scope but still a power. It will encompass humiliating defeats and economic earthquakes. It will not be a nice catastrophe.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: faceincrowd 3/17/2023 9:36:13 AM (No. 1427204)
I know the truth when I hear it. And the takeover has already happened without a shot fired.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: columba 3/17/2023 12:08:38 PM (No. 1427351)
A bit rough on the Byzantines but a good read.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Italiano 3/17/2023 12:27:18 PM (No. 1427374)
FTA: "Beijing believes that the United States is decadent, undeserving of its affluence, living beyond its means on the fumes of the past -- and very soon vulnerable enough to challenge openly." Beijing is spot on accurate.
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