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'Stubborn Things,' and the Chauvin Trial

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Posted By: DW626, 4/19/2021 7:29:51 AM

Consider two contrasting quotes on how reason and passion relate to truth in a society. The first is (or once was, anyway) quite famous amongst Americans, spoken by Founder John Adams during his defense of the British soldiers accused of murder in the Boston Massacre of 1770: Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. The second is from a figure of whom few alive could claim ignorance. As Jonah Goldberg relates in his book, Liberal Fascism:

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Reply 1 - Posted by: wilarrbie 4/19/2021 7:46:58 AM (No. 759250)
Not guilty = riots and more fury, burning buildings and businesses, shootings, more people will die. Guilty = if reasonable doubt is presented and ignored in order to appease the mob, this will be the only time we discard just this one unfortunate officer in exchange for lasting social peace and a return to normalcy. Right?
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Michaelus 4/19/2021 8:38:50 AM (No. 759299)
I sure hope they get OJ on CNN when the verdict is announced so he can ad his insight.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: bpl40 4/19/2021 8:56:11 AM (No. 759330)
When justice is defined as primarily "social justice", facts, evidence, rationality and truth begin to fade. This is the world we are entering. Like Quantum Science its rules and assumptions are different. Actually it is all sheer hypocrisy and a naked attempt to violently grab what voters would not give them at the ballot box. But we all know that.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: seamusm 4/19/2021 8:57:12 AM (No. 759332)
I beg to differ with the author. Chauvin is NOT being tried by a jury of his peers. None of these jurors have ever faced what the average police officer experiences on a daily basis in these Dimocratic hellhole ghettoes. None of them has ever stared death in the face while doing their jobs. We imagine that we will be afforded a jury of our 'peers' if accused of a crime but the reality is that everyday criminal and civil juries arrive at decisions for which they have no expertise or experience.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: sw penn 4/19/2021 9:20:35 AM (No. 759364)
Death for crime was presented as "barbaric". Prison was suppose to be more "humane". Then they moved to prison is "barbaric". Now Any attempt to regulate criminal behavior is to be met with riot. Do you see the pattern? Society that allows it enemies to proper and proliferate cannot survive. Therefore will not survive

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Reply 6 - Posted by: earlybird 4/19/2021 9:55:46 AM (No. 759403)
Only facts and evidence are to be considered in a trial. That is the admonition given to the jury by the judge. Trials should not be governed by a rioting mob nor used to promote ideologies.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Clinger 4/19/2021 10:18:23 AM (No. 759441)
Our country goes from the likes of John Adams to Maxine Waters and they call it progress.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: DVC 4/19/2021 11:49:07 AM (No. 759548)
I am desperately hoping that Officer Chauvin is correctly found innocent, since he is innocent. I am very concerned that the mob will corrupt the process and he will be found guilty even though he is not.
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