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Some Thoughts On Valor -- Stolen Or Not

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Posted By: DW626, 8/14/2024 7:28:42 AM

The best definition of ‘valor’ I have come across is ‘strength of mind in regard to danger, that quality which enables a man to encounter danger with firmness and courage.’ Reading of vice-presidential nominee Tim Walz and his stolen valor made me think of my father’s service during WWII and, to a lesser extent, my own some thirty years later. My dad, like a great number of young men, was drafted into the military in early 1942. Was spending the next three and a half years in the jungles of the Pacific fighting the Japanese the way he would have preferred to spend that time?

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Reply 1 - Posted by: JrSample 8/14/2024 7:53:51 AM (No. 1777762)
If you can remember back to those days; liberal democrats, like Walz, were opposed to the mission. That is why he rushed his retirement so as to not deploy with his unit. After two decades of training one weekend per month and two weeks per year and accepting the pay, also two peace time deployments to Norway and Italy he chose to retire when he was needed for the mission that he had been trained/paid/prepared. Since the current fad is ''thank you for your service'' Walz is keeping quiet about his opposition to what democrats were calling ''Bush's War for Oil''. If he wasn't such a hypocrite he would be campaigning with Sean Penn and the Dixie Chicks and bragging about his brave dissent against Bush-Cheney's Oil War for Haliburton. Except now the democratic party is in favor of US military intervention practically everywhere. So, he's quiet about the real reason he chose to retire and avoid deployment.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: jeffkinnh 8/14/2024 8:21:31 AM (No. 1777784)
"I like the guy I see when I look in the mirror. I wonder if Tim Walz can say the same." The same thing that allowed Walz to abandon his unit allows him to look in the mirror and to be a radical dem. He is only cares about himself and has built an enormous ego to serve that purpose.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: EJKrausJr 8/14/2024 8:28:54 AM (No. 1777786)
Walz stole valor. It's not rocket science, it's basic earned rank science. He stole it, and like Elisabeth Warren used his stolen valor to his benefit. He should be ashamed but he's not. Walz is a thief, period, no joke.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: fhancock 8/14/2024 8:44:27 AM (No. 1777792)
Walz reenlisted for 6 years. He held the temporary rank of Sergeant Major (SGM) as a student in the Sergeant Major's Academy. He had to "Flunk" the Sergeant Major's Academy on purpose to revert back to Master Sergeant (MSG) (E8). He is allowed to get out at 4 years because he failed the course. For the next decade he brags about being a Command Sergeant Major and let's people think he deployed into a combat zone when he really went to Italy. Let's also be clear he KNEW his unit was deploying when this occurred. So how could you EVER trust a word he says.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Strike3 8/14/2024 9:07:41 AM (No. 1777810)
Whether a soldier fought in the widely accepted necessary war that resulted in the defeat of the evil that was Japan and Germany, the dispute over the location of the border of Korea, the Eisenhower-JFK-CIA-created debacle that was Vietnam or the questionable incursion into the entire Middle East, American patriots always answer the call, leave their families behind and risk their lives almost daily for years. Soldiers do not question the politics or the reasons for these wars, we just pick up a rifle, a stethoscope or a radio and know that we are defending our country. That is sufficient and we hope that our leaders are doing the right thing. We give them the benefit of the doubt whether they are right or wrong. Walz did not do any of that but claims that he did. That makes him human garbage.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: NYbob 8/14/2024 9:11:59 AM (No. 1777815)
Like every elected rat and every one of their hysterical voters, he is 100% b s. Like them, he believes every lie he creates.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Newtsche 8/14/2024 9:16:55 AM (No. 1777818)
Obama et al filled the military with leftist pigs like Walz, they're destroying it. As bad as Timmy's lies about his service are, worse is his choice to enter politics and destroy our country from a different angle. The biggest revelation is his toxic ego, yet another horrible human being who is a democrat.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: bighambone 8/14/2024 10:10:54 AM (No. 1777840)
It’s interesting to hear that all dental officers were awarded the bronze star medal because they served in Vietnam. I served the entire year of 1968 on the ground in Vietnam and I never heard that the soldiers who served in Army units “outside the wire” in Vietnam as I did, were awarded the bronze star medal across the board. The year that I was in Vietnam was a tough year with some very big battles that I found out later claimed the lives of over fifteen thousand US troops, both draftees and volunteers. Eight years before that I when I was seventeen years old I served thirteen months as an infantryman with the Seventh Infantry Division in South Korea near the demilitarized zone bordering North Korea. My time in the Army amounted to nine years, five and a half years overseas. I started to think about ending my military career after I met a Red Cross girl who was working in an Army Hospital. I started a new life with her have now been married to her for close to fifty-five years. During the entire time I was in the military I never declined a deployment or disobeyed orders and never considered my time in the Army to be valorous in anyway. That’s my fairly unique take the issue of so-called “stolen valor”, of course I was never a politician. My mother came to the USA legally from Ireland at the age of twenty-three, her first cousin with who she grew up with was the Principal Catholic Chaplain to the British Army, she had two sons, my brother and myself, we were both in Vietnam at about the same time, my mother would never tell her grown children to decline military service and I never heard of anyone approaching my mother to put blue star flags in her window. I’m sure there are many millions of quite stories like this one out there.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: franq 8/14/2024 12:12:33 PM (No. 1777905)
Kudos and thanks, #8. Your story heaps inescapable shame on people like Tim Walz.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: LadyVet 8/14/2024 1:00:55 PM (No. 1777922)
I spent 2.5 years on active duty at the end of the Vietnam era, never in or near a combat zone. I was transferred to the Guard when the military started downsizing the active personnel. My commander in the Guard was a high school teacher, like Walz. He was there, best I could tell, for the extra money. He would sign up for various training schools during the summer months. He was fortunate to have educated NCO's with prior active duty who took care of the unit while he was not there. The admin guy in the unit was a bank VP in his civilian job. On an IG inspection, the NCO's were well prepared. I was chosen to take an exam and scored 100. The officer scored 40. But that averaged out at 70, a barely passing grade. The IG report said that "a NCO and one officer were tested; one failed " implying that I failed, not the commander. If I had missed one question, the commander would have been removed for incompetence. But he did go to Command School and earned twice his teacher salary.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: mifla 8/15/2024 8:12:06 AM (No. 1778218)
George W Bush - The Dems rant and rave that he used the National Guard to stay out of Vietnam. Tim Walz - The Dems don't understand why his lying about his military service is such a big deal.
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