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'Merit-based hiring' might be 'unfair':
American Psychological Association

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Posted By: Beardo, 2/4/2024 12:55:01 PM

The American Psychological Association claimed that "[h]iring the most qualified candidate might be unfair" based on one of its recent studies. The study, titled "Can Selecting the Most Qualified Candidate Be Unfair?," examined people’s perceptions of merit-based hiring after learning more about the socioeconomic status of potential workers. While previewing the results, it argued that hiring the most qualified candidate could contribute to more inequality. (snip) "Members of marginalized racial groups tend to experience socioeconomic disadvantages more often than members of privileged racial groups, and the negative consequences of these disadvantages can be even worse for racial minorities," she said.

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You could just as easily speculate that being a member of a lower socio-economic group gives you an unfair advantage because your only option is to work harder to succeed, whereas a "richer" person could be more inclined to be lazy and less motivated to achieve.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: marbles 2/4/2024 12:58:04 PM (No. 1650714)
They're wrong. Everyone should strive to best at what they do. It makes the world a better place.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: marbles 2/4/2024 1:02:26 PM (No. 1650716)
Forget to include that the article/argument is PC garbage.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Quigley 2/4/2024 1:05:29 PM (No. 1650718)
When one of these geniuses selects a lesser qualified surgeon or airline pilot for themselves and their families, I will believe they really mean it. If they really mean it, then they’re just plain wrong. Otherwise they’re fraudsters conning the public about things they themselves don’t believe.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Newtsche 2/4/2024 1:06:33 PM (No. 1650719)
Pretzel logic that only a genius could concoct. Psychology is the science of generalization, you know, like all psychologists are clowns.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Birddog 2/4/2024 1:09:15 PM (No. 1650720)
decades ago an MD friend mentioned that he thought most psychologists were people that had secret problems they didn't want to talk to others about, instead took courses so they could self diagnose and "understand/solve" their own issues, but had sooo many that eventually they found they had enough credits to graduate with a degree.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Birddog 2/4/2024 1:10:41 PM (No. 1650723)
Psychology isn't "Merit Based".
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Reply 7 - Posted by: DVC 2/4/2024 1:12:44 PM (No. 1650725)
Yes, it IS UNFAIR. The entire world has NEVER been fair. I remember getting this news from my father when I was about 8 years old.....I WAS SHOCKED. Eventually, I got over it and worked on earning the skills and education to get a good job, after working a number of menial jobs as a teen and college student, learning that I didn't want to drive a tractor, clean and maintain chicken houses, feeders and waterers, or dig ditches, or clean newly built apartments to ready them for tenants, or pump gas, or sell citrus fruit. I did kind of like working on cars....but I liked engineering more, and it paid somewhat better. Life is NOT fair. You had better arrange your life so that you MERIT hiring and being paid.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Msquared112 2/4/2024 1:14:28 PM (No. 1650727)
That is ridiculous. When you hire for anything other than merit, you get what you pay for.
21 people like this.

Reply 9 - Posted by: WV.Hillbilly 2/4/2024 1:16:48 PM (No. 1650731)
"Good evening ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. We are presently cruising about 12 feet off the ground. That scraping and tearing you hear is the fuselage being ripped out from under us because I forgot to close the baggage doors and take up the wheels.If you look out the window you may see the terrified faces of those you love who came to see you off as I plow into Terminal 4 like a flaming arrow of apocalyptic wrath since I've never flown a plane before."
22 people like this.

Reply 10 - Posted by: SkyKing1222 2/4/2024 1:17:05 PM (No. 1650732)
Two points here: 1) The American Psychological Association has just validated the Bell curve. 2) Obviously the American Psychological Association has been practicing the hiring of less qualified candidates for quite some time.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Northcross 2/4/2024 1:21:23 PM (No. 1650735)
The only takeaway from this article is that the APA has been taken over by woke leftist kooks.
19 people like this.

Reply 12 - Posted by: Venturer 2/4/2024 1:21:55 PM (No. 1650736)
Someone try to explain to me why anyone would ever believe the head shrinkers themselves are not insane.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Bur Oak 2/4/2024 1:41:16 PM (No. 1650742)
Proving you don't need merit to become an American Psychological Association member, just money.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: NorthernDog 2/4/2024 1:42:31 PM (No. 1650744)
It can also be psychological damaging to be put in a job for which you are not qualified.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: cor-vet 2/4/2024 1:44:08 PM (No. 1650745)
As an old retired white guy, I've been lead to believe all men were created equal! Blacks are being taught that they're more than equal and have been held down, and now these clowns say the races aren't equal, because, basically, blacks are at a disadvantage in merit based hiring. Whose the racist here?
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Reply 16 - Posted by: Jesuslover54 2/4/2024 1:45:45 PM (No. 1650749)
Just remember what you know about the psychologists in your experience. They are all dopes and Democrats and leftists. They only have one opinion and you already know what that is.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: FJB 2/4/2024 1:52:32 PM (No. 1650752)
What? Has EVERYONE lost their minds?
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Reply 18 - Posted by: bpl40 2/4/2024 1:52:37 PM (No. 1650753)
A 1250 SAT score is less qualified to enter MIT than a 1600 score. Math doesn't lie or is not biased. 2+2 is always 4. What has fair/unfair got to do with it??
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Reply 19 - Posted by: slipstik 2/4/2024 1:53:36 PM (No. 1650754)
These people are so smart they're stupid. And BTW, they took race out of the experiments because of (their words) "white defensiveness". So they skewed results due to their own woke conceptual value judgments before they even started. Psychology has always striven toward becoming a "science" but none of this hoo haa is science. Meritocracy is the way forward, just ask Ben Carson.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: Poorboy 2/4/2024 2:04:07 PM (No. 1650759)
Decades of equal rights have not produced equal results, so legislated and enforced "equity" has come to be the last resort of well-intentioned, but naive, social engineers. They won't be able to hammer the bell curve flat, but they'll be able to limit the opportunities of the higher functioning to succeed, thereby giving the false appearance of equality...until the whole system inevitably collapses around our ears. They cajole the skeptical and the reluctant to get on the 'right side of history', but that's no more than some utopia they imagine will eventually emerge if only everyone can be made to "believe." It'd be better for all of us if they'd wake up from their fevered dream and get on the right side of reality, or they'll end up killing the golden goose that has produced so much for so many.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: weirdone 2/4/2024 2:14:08 PM (No. 1650766)
The American Psychotic Association is wrong. Merit based hiring is the only sane method to insure the desired outcome. You only have to look to the Congress to determine its abandonments disastrous effects.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: Heil Liberals 2/4/2024 2:33:51 PM (No. 1650771)
The APA once served a legitimate purpose. Now it is the nest of Marxist vipers legitimizing all of the worst that humanity has to offer. I feel sorry for legitimate psychologists and psychiatrist who have to labor under the auspices of such a corrupt organization. The DSM 5 might as well be known as The Little Red Book.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: jasmine 2/4/2024 2:52:20 PM (No. 1650781)
FTA: While previewing the results, it argued that hiring the most qualified candidate could contribute to more inequality. Nonsense. There is no virtue in artificially elevating candidates into positions for which they are unfit, and then pretending it's in our best interest. That's cheating. We've had plenty of experience with that since 2020. Voters would be wise to remember that the "woke" left put Joe Biden in the White House in 2020. He was obviously in physical and mental decline. He promptly invited impoverished illegal aliens (and their friends) to enter the US illegally. We have MORE inequality in the US now thanks to Biden and his ten million plus "invitees." The most qualified candidate was Donald Trump, and the prosperity we enjoyed after his 2016 election was because he was the superior candidate and able to deliver what he promised. Like secure borders. Don't forget that it's not the job of Americans to "fix" poverty around the world, or welcome it into the US. Americans are poorer today than when Biden took office. With globalism, governments of wealthier countries are expected to "fight inequality" with wealth transfers from taxpayers to new arrivals. Even Gov. Eric Adams is OK with giving illegals pre-paid credit cards. Imagine that. They broke into the US, but didn't appreciate the free meals they were given. So they're getting credit cards.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: bighambone 2/4/2024 3:13:10 PM (No. 1650791)
Chances a good portion of that Association are “nut jobs” themselves, so what would you expect?
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Reply 25 - Posted by: john56 2/4/2024 3:28:36 PM (No. 1650797)
Life is not fair. As a friend of mine tells his now adult children, the only applicable definition of "fair" is an event usually held in the county seat where pigs get ribbons.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: Historybuff 2/4/2024 4:24:28 PM (No. 1650820)
Ask the NFL
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Reply 27 - Posted by: Grateful 2/4/2024 4:50:24 PM (No. 1650828)
Balderdash! The fuzzy headed APA know-nothings sit around all day contemplating their navels until one of them decides to say something they consider prophetic but actually proves their ignorance. They live beyond an alternate universe. Please deliver us from these delirious, low-life sycophants.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: FormerDem 2/4/2024 5:05:05 PM (No. 1650837)
There are many gifts, but one Spirit, Who is in all.
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Reply 29 - Posted by: downnout 2/4/2024 5:42:00 PM (No. 1650852)
If we’re going to live in the utopian world of “equity”, get used to it by giving up your automobiles, electricity, indoor plumbing, cell phones, TVs, etc.
3 people like this.

Reply 30 - Posted by: FLCracker 2/4/2024 5:57:27 PM (No. 1650863)
I have a theory about psychologists. When you get a truly exceptional psychologist, they try to identify your problem and how to deal with it. When you get a - shall we say, "less than stellar"? - psycholgist, you he/she identifies the problem(s) they know the best, which is usually their own. This works with hairdressers, too.
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Reply 31 - Posted by: jeffkinnh 2/4/2024 6:00:40 PM (No. 1650867)
The reality is, people are hired to do work and produce profit for a company. If there is no profit because the people working there are incompetent, there will soon be no company and no jobs. Further, if your work history shows that you worked at such a foolish company, no one will want to hire you because you will bring down anyone you work for because you are just useless. The real answer to this issue is to work hard in school to get a great education and work hard at jobs that you get. Sure, it can be tougher to succeed when starting in poverty but success IS available to everyone. You have to seize it. The problem is, when you don't have good parents to shepherd you toward success but instead insist the education system give you a free pass because you are disadvantaged, you LOSE. Sympathetic grading is the worst thing anyone can do for you. Admissions to college based on race rather than merit is insane. At some point, no one is going to care what race you are. They only want you to do your job well. Then all the pandering you received along the way will collapse out from underneath you. You simply do not deserve your position. You didn't merit it and failed to learn along the way. BTW, this applies to entitled people who fail to work to be successful and count on family to carry them through. Eventually, incompetence catches up to almost everyone. Unless you are Joe Biden.
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Reply 32 - Posted by: Starboard_side 2/4/2024 7:24:43 PM (No. 1650900)
Education is the key driver as most know. Granted, there used to be Democrat governors who were standing in the doorway of the school with the local police to prevent African-American children from entering 50-60+ years ago. But who is holding anyone back in today's society? No one is being told they can't do X, Y or Z any longer. I was at a Jr. High debate competition over the weekend, and it was roughly 120-ish children there. Sadly, noticed there were only 2 or 3 African-American's competing. Plenty of Asians, Whites and Hispanic children, however. The socioeconomic group of Brentwood, California is very upper-income and privileged regardless of a person's skin color. Most are in the top 1% and live in multi-million dollar homes. Most of us are not in that socioeconomic group.
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Reply 33 - Posted by: Jethro bo 2/4/2024 7:27:43 PM (No. 1650901)
The Science is settled! We now have 5 studies showing once again how wonderful quotas are. When you are laying on a gurney with your life hanging in the balance, so you want a doctor who got where he/she/it got based on merit or on social-economic quotas?
1 person likes this.

Reply 34 - Posted by: rochow 2/4/2024 9:19:43 PM (No. 1650950)
One thing all shrinks need regularly, go see a shrink. These morons prove it.
0 people like this.

Reply 35 - Posted by: kono 2/4/2024 9:57:25 PM (No. 1650965)
Fairness is reasonable. What they're talking about is equality of outcomes, which is NOT reasonable. Nor is it really fair.
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Reply 36 - Posted by: paral04 2/4/2024 10:09:02 PM (No. 1650969)
Plenty of lower income kids do very well in their academic pursuits and it is because they want to. This blanket bias toward the poor or non-white is idiocy when it comes to having a well educated society. Excellence is what we strive for. This isn't a Kindergarten T-Ball game where every one gets a chance. People's lives are at stake here.
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Reply 37 - Posted by: mifla 2/5/2024 5:45:27 AM (No. 1651066)
So employers are supposed to settle for less than competent workers? I wanted to be a professional basketball player, but am not good at basketball. Is that unfair?
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Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) said Monday on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” that Republicans are opposing the bipartisan border deal because they are “scared to death” of former President Donald Trump. Schumer said, “It’s a turning point. History is going to look over our shoulders and say did we rise to the occasion. To his credit Mitch McConnell did, but too many Republicans including Speaker Johnson are just scared to death of Donald Trump. Donald Trump has said he wants chaos. Donald Trump has said, well, wait till I become president. That will take at least a year. Ukraine could be gone. The border will get much worse.
Biden Brags About Defying Supreme Court
Ruling on Student Loan Bailout, Claims
Debt Cancellation is FREE, “It’s Not
Costing People” (Video)
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Posted by Imright 2/5/2024 4:01:15 PM Post Reply
Joe Biden on Sunday delivered remarks at a campaign event in Las Vegas, Nevada. As usual, Biden’s speech was full of gaffes and lies. At one point Joe Biden forgot he was in Las Vegas. “It’ll take you from here to Las Vegas!” Biden, while in Vegas, said of a proposed high-speed rail line. At one point Joe Biden bragged about defying the US Supreme Court’s ruling on his unconstitutional student loan bailout. Biden has used a series of workarounds to circumvent the Supreme Court’s decision to strike down his student loan bailout program. Last year the Supreme Court ruled 6-3 against Joe Biden’s student loan relief program
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