Russia's Luna-25 spacecraft crashes into Moon

The most important question is: Did they follow green energy policies?

Just more Russian space junk on the moon. Not as bad as the humans they've lost in space.

Built as well as their submarines, tanks and cars.

On the bright side, Luna 25 was much more successful than Luna 1 thru 24. Take a bow comrades.

Attention- all Komrads from the Luna 25 project team. Please report immediately to the Ukrainian border. спасибо

The Russian space programs have had very inconsistent results, seeming to get worse in recent decades. They launched a Mars probe to visit a Martian moon in 2011, which never even got out of Earth orbit, eventually crashed back here. This moon lander was launched with the Russian Soyuz rocket which they have been using for well over half a century. Once they find a design that works, they stick with it, seemingly forever. Similarly, they are pullinghundreds of old, long scrapped T-64 tanks out of their boneyards in the Siberian wastelands and getting them running again and sending them off to fight against Ukraine. T-64s were designed at the Kharkiv tank bureau (in Ukriane) in the late 1950s, and put into production in the early 1960s, and produced up until 1987. Their newer T-80s were so bad that even though over 3,000 sit in their boneyards, they are leaving them in favor of the older T-64s. The T-80's turbine engines use so much more fuel that they were at a huge disadvantage, and the turbine engines have such short lives that they are all worn out, and Russia can't afford to build new turbine engines for them, plus the logistics of supplying two or three times as much fuel per tank are unworkable. The old 1960s diesels in the T-64s can be patched up enough to run one more time against Ukraine. So, back to the 60s. I know many Russian engineers and scientists who are actually quite capable, but after a decade of doing research and development projects there, it was clear that their management and business systems were seriously dysfunctional, completely wrecking any good design and engineering that had been done by the time the product was built. I would expect that this moon lander failure to have the same root causes. Probably a basically good design, but the manufacturing, testing and building systems probably built it with flaws, and the inspections and quality checks meant to discover and weed out these flaws were likely faked by a drunk, or incompetent (or both) inspector who was held the job because he was the brother in law of the manager of that project, or some similar situation. It's endemic in their system, has been for a very long time.

Isn't technology and know-how much more advanced and sophisticated now than it was 50-ish years ago?

Re #7, in some countries, yes. In others, not so much.

Space exploration is still a risky business, riddled with failures. We've lost 17 astronauts (two shuttle crews and three Apollo astronauts sitting in a capsule on the ground) in the years since we started our space program. We've also lost a number of satellites. We've also had spectacular successes - the moon landings, the international space station, the satellite explorations of every planet and the sun. Those successes were not possible without the failures.

Back to the drawing board.

geeezz, don't tell biden. he will give the ruskies lots of money to help them achieve their goal. jerk will do anything to destroy America.

Yeah, #6, those have been problems inherent within the russkie system. One of the reasons why Russia abandoned its space shuttle program before it even got off the ground. Also, I wonder how hard the russkie work at stealing intellectual property from us like the chicoms do (or like what we hand to them).

Re #12, As to how much intellectual property they steal? An exercise. Pull up photos of the Boeing B-29 bomber and the Tupolev T-4 bomber. Every part was copied exactly in the T-4. Pull up a pair of photos, this time the US Space Shuttle and the USSR Buran space ship. Pull up a pair of photos of a US B-1 bomber and a Tu-160 bomber. Pull up a photo of a German V-2 WW2 rocket. Then pull up a photo of a Russian R-1 rocket. Fun story V-2 story. When I was showing a Ukrainian engineer friend and her family through the superb space museum in Hutchinson, KS (actually one of the best in the nation) about a decade ago, she looked at the V-2 rocket display, and told me, "When I was first studying rocketry in the university, my class was given tools and one of these same rockets and a group of students had to disassemble it completely, understand how all the parts worked and put it back together correctly. I know every part in detail." This woman was born in the middle 70s, so was becoming a rocket engineer just as the USSR blew apart, yet they still learned on a 1940 German rocket, at least half a century later, something that has been in our museums for at least 30 years at that time.

Posters #6, 7 and 8: On one of the science-y sites, a poster pointed out that RUSSIA has never landed anything on the Moon. That was the SOVIET UNION'S achievement, and also, ironically, most of the "Soviet" scientists on in the program were ethnically --- wait for it! -- Ukranians! Well, there you go.