One Year Later, A Conservative Case for Ukraine

Interesting that this author would use the example of afghanistan as doing the right thing

I read it all. It's a good read. Having read it with an open mind I still say we should send no more money at all. None. There needs to be peace talks. But you can't launder money if there are peace talks. You can't keep paying crooked people off. Oh... along with no more money, there needs to be an accounting of the money we've sent. Every dime. It's not our war. Never was, even though Biden's weakness and stupidity allowed the Russians to walk in. We're already paying enough for Biden's other follies.

I can't put it better than the second poster. What I know is that they impeached a president to keep the grift hidden. A grift that involves both parties and is bankrupting our beloved country. No more money, no more arms, a full accounting of where past funds have gone.

I read it. There’s no argument in the article. The points are: 1. $100 B is not that much money, just a rounding error. Besides, we’d just spend it on liberal causes like climate change; much better to knee cap Russia. 2. Isolationism is bad. Past wars were good. Eg, WW2. Austria in 1938 is analogous. 3. There haven’t been any nukes yet. Putin wouldn’t dare. 4. Just because the Dims like this war doesn’t mean we should knee jerk dislike it. 5. Ukraine is not an endless war; it’s only been a year. Besides, it’s important to the Ukrainians even if it isn’t to us. Sorry. This is exactly the type of journalistic sales job that can’t be genuine thought. It’s just an attempt to snow the reader. There is not a single point about our strategic interests, why putin invaded (not even “putin’s bad!”) what is the possible exit (conquer Russia; Russia gives up?). Plus, I’d like to know about the money looted from Ukraine by the bidet family and why a Ukrainian born military officer fomented an impeachment against our president over a phone call to Ukraine. No sale.

FTA - Likewise, Fox News commentator Tomi Lahren tweeted, “We can’t fight this war for you for eternity!!!” I’m not sure which war we are fighting for them and, to my knowledge, Zelensky has not requested anything beyond funding and weapons. Let me ask this question: Does anyone really think we don't have boots on the ground in Ukraine? That does not mean in direct combat, but in logistical supply and training. We have special forces operators all over the globe right now helping to fight wars that are not ours. Anyone who thinks we don't have military assets in Ukraine right now is delusional. As long as my tax dollars go towards supporting the dog and pony show known as the Ukranian government with that Bozo Zelensky, then you're damn right I'm fighting it. Treasure is not the sacrifice of life and limb, but it's enough to consider it fighting. After all, isn't that what every damn one of those who support this suicide mission say? "We need to fight the Russians!" That sure as hell isn't a Royal We. That's all of us.

I read it. It's nonsense. His arguments are: 1) we have wasted more money than this before so let's burn another $100 billion. It's just a rounding error he says. I don't have 100 billion dollars. Give it to me. It's no big deal, right? Round that error into my pocket. 2) Ukraine is our business. We are the world's police. If we hadn't been isolationist then 9/11 and Pearl Harbor wouldn't have happened. This is so incredibly historically ignorant it has to be intention. We were bombed -because- we got involved in Japan's business and opposed them everywhere they went. We were bombed again -because- we were involved in the Middle East and opposed Islamic terrorists and their state level supporters. This is pure gas light. 3) He says it can't escalate into a nuclear war because previous proxy wars didn't. More nonsense. History might echo but it does not repeat. Every event is different. In this case if Putin loses he is likely to get strung up by his own command staff. None of his historical examples were that dire for the losing side in previous wars. Every single time the nuclear powers mix it up is another chance for a nuclear strike be it intentional or through confusion and miscommunication in the fog of war. I am unwilling to take -any- risk of everyone dying to help the corrupt anti-democratic Ukraine fight off the Russian dictatorship. Crazy crazy crazy 4) his sub heading doesn't match his words here. What he actually says is this is a continuation of the Cold War and has nothing to do with Ukraine and everything to do with Russia. I don't care about Russia. They're a broken shell, a mere shadow of the Soviet Union surviving off the rusting remnants of their former power. We won, they lost. The Cold War is over. Russia is nothing but a giant gas station for the Europeans who still maintains a bunch of weapons their former selves built. They are nothing and no threat to the West. This guy's arguments are ridiculous gas lightning nonsense. We do not belong in Ukraine. If they want to -buy- weapons from us then sure, why not? We're already the world's largest arms exporter every year for the last several decades, what's a few more sold to Ukraine? But dumping $100 billion on them (so far) for free and holding them up as an example of a great democracy under threat is wildly outrageous garbage from start to end. Not one drop of blood and not one penny. This is all about 2 broken states finishing off old business while Joe gets his 10% and the last of the Cold War warriors in the DoD and State Department get the war against Russia they always wanted and couldn't have.

This article is a steaming pile of deep state, neo con, communist death democrat crap. Not one more damn dime of our money should be sent to Ukraine. Let the Europeans sort out their own damn messes. Besides it is glaringly obvious that this is just a money laundering operation to funnel huge sums of money back into the pockets of the communist death democrats and their allies, the republicans in Congress. Imagine the kickbacks being paid out by all these defense contractors. No more foreign wars. Period.

What most Americans want is for the war to end. It's not going to end until the Z man and the P man sit down and talk. Who will win? No one. No one wins a war featuring massive loss of life and destruction of property. Having spent hours filling out my tax forms for 2022, am particularly incensed by the notion that the $ 117 billion that Quid Pro Joe gave to the Z man is inconsequential. Back during WWII we gave plenty of aid to Russia and China. How did they repay us? We need to return to isolationism and stop being the world's policeman. Charity begins at home.

Closed indeed! When did diplomacy die for this country?

The pros and con of supporting Ukraine or opposing Ukraine along with the reasons why this war began are out there for all to see and judge for themselves. One just has to look and this article brings up a few points but it is certainly not definitive or complete. BUT at this point it does not matter War is here today We The United States are an active participant (albeit off the battlefield in terms of boots on the ground). This will become more severe before it gets better. Today China pledged its support to Russia (Even after Mrs. Lindsey and Blinken warned and threatened China against doing so). There is no moral high ground in supporting Ukraine. In fact, the Ukrainian government is tied deeply to Neo Nazis. Again tat is not to say all Ukrainians are but moral standings have been eliminated by this fact. I addition America instigated this conflict back in 2014 with the purpose of bullying and weakening Russia. This has been admitted to. But Realize this is a threat that goes beyond Ukraine for Russia and they will not accept defeat without going down without a fight. So the the only question is are you prepared to die or send your kids to die for Ukraine? My answer is a resounding no!!

I get the need for Russia to be kept in check, but I believe that it’s up to Ukraine’s neighbors to help them. Interesting how the Europeans, both East and West, can never manage to protect their own interests and ALWAYS turn to us. As long as we have American vets waiting forever for medical care at the VA and/or sleeping under bridges, not another penny should be sent to Ukraine. America first! Especially our vets.

Biden and his woke team have no idea of what it means to" win" the war or how to achieve it. Nor do they have any idea how to force a peace settlement. Biden just makes ever more bellicose statements and throws more money and more sophisticated weapons into the fray. The author addresses none of these issues. Without that, he leaves us just as Biden does with an endless war that escalates toward WWIII

Our foreign war track record isn’t very good. Wilson really stepped in it bringing us into WWI, a European war, much like other European wars, they fight, eventually run out of young male cannon fodder, call a truce, redraw the borders where they stopped, and go home to breed a new generation of cannon fodder for the next war. We greatly upset the balance of power setting the stage for WWII, which The USSR leveraged into effectively annexing all of Eastern Europe, which fed the Cold War and proxy wars like Vietnam. Then the whole war on terror, thinking we could establish stable western style democratic governments there, only to leave at least as big of mess as we found. Yeah, I get the argument that we can’t isolate ourselves entirely from the world, but i don’t see that this compels us to back Ukraine. A simpler foreign policy might be “we will trade with you, we will leave you alone, but attack us and we will annihilate you.” We might have to do this, but probably just once. But we don’t have the political will for it.

This Ukrainian thing is starting out exactly like Vietnam. We send in weapons. Then we need to send in advisors to train the Ukrainians on the use of the weapons. Then those advisors start getting shot at and killed because the advisors aren't just showing them how to operate the weapons, but when and where meaning at the front lines. So, because our advisors are being shot at, we send in a small military attachment to protect the advisors. Soon that small military attachment isn't enough, and on and on it goes.

If you want to understand the root cause of this war, imagine this: Its 1983. Mexico has just petitioned to join the Warsaw Pact. There are Soviet made tanks and planes just across the Rio Grande. What would the US do? Google "Grenada Invasion" and I think you'll get a good idea. Now just change the players. Putin has been warning about this for 20 years. "Stop moving East" he said, time and again. He may be a bad guy, but we cant say he wasnt pushed...

Christopher Skeet and the snarky poster (DVC) can both send all of their own money they want to Ukraine. Nobody is stopping them if they think this is such a "noble" cause. When I look at my fellow citizens suffering here (East Palestine, homeless veterans, small businesses destroyed by government overreach because of Covid the last few years, etc), combined with a massive deficit, massive inflation, and the current recession we are all suffering through, I simply can't justify sending billions of our tax dollars, and billions of dollars worth of weapons, to a country that we have no business taking sides on in this war. Ukraine is not a member of NATO. We have no treaties with them promising to come to their defense. Nothing. Zero, zilch, nada!!!! All we are doing is putting our own children, grandchildren, and probably great-grandchildren in debt that they will never be able to dig out of. And if this keep accelerating at the pace it is going, we are getting closer to a very nuclear WW-III. And anyone who doesn't think we will face the impact of WW-III on our own soil is in for a very rude awakening. And none of it needed to happen, and it certainly never would have happened, if we had had a strong leader as president who would have put a stop to this before the first Russian boots were ever on the ground in Ukraine.

Sorry. No sale here. Not even close.

Call me crazy, but I don’t think a drop of American blood should be shed in Ukraine or many of the other places our troops are stationed around the world. Who knows where they are all? Does Joe or the Congress. I do believe we should know that too. Push out a world map next time Biden speaks and insert pushpins in every nation and show us. I don’t think the American people would be okay with that. I agree with my friends on here who believe we are, once again, a war chump. We fight and fund wars for other people and that should stop. If they cannot defend themselves, they need to increase their troop strength and defense department budgets and stop relying on us to pay the ultimate price. They are not too good to fight and Americans are tired of watching our men and women come home in body bags. I probably would not be so hard nosed on this issue but look at our country! It is teetering on the brink of total collapse. Our people need more say in the matter when we send billions of dollars to a corrupt country when Americans are suffering right here at home and are being ignored. Where does Joe get the power to keep sending billions? And to fail to demand an accounting of the money sent there is a slap in the face to every tax payer. I am so done with Americans making sacrifices for everyone else while they sit on the sidelines physically and financially. Enough is enough.

It is astonishing to me how anyone can be so blind to the reality of the mass corruption and money laundering that have been going on in Ukraine for decades, and the reasons behind this war. It is also astonishing to me how anyone can be ok with coming perilously close to World War III, pushed by a global cabal whose only goal is to see you dead by whatever means. Perhaps asking oneself WHY Joe Biden and all the usual suspects support this war might be a good start.

We have all been duped. Ukraine is a cesspool of corruption and while I thought Russia was wrong to invade, it's no different than our Cuba crisis in 1962. No one wants nukess next door but inviting the Ukraine to NATO means exactly that. Watch and learn. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8Br_YYpYrE

Wag the dog. When Democrats are cornered they start another war. They can rely on warmongers like Lindsey Graham to respond to the dog whistles. It pays to have the Pentagon backing you when you are spreading the lie that the US public is on the brink of "insurrection". The CIA lied to America for 70 years and slandered the Russian people unrelentingly when there was not a snowball's chance in hell that Russia was ever going to attack the US. I will never, ever forgive the US government for scaring the crap out of little kids in the 50s & 60s. As if cowering under our desks would have saved us. Biden's evil is absolute. He is desperate for new distractions as his COVID crimes can no longer be covered up. Like any autocrat psychopath, Biden will not hesitate to bring on any level of destruction to the American people to feed his narcissism.

Re #9, diplomacy? LOL! Diplomacy worked great for Chamberlain in 1938, didn't. Sucker Chamberlain thought that Hitler was reasonable, and could be trusted. Frankly, Putin is not reasonable and cannot be trusted in the slightest. He invade Georgia, and took half the country. Putin invaded Chechnya and He installed a puppet government in Belarus, which he controls. Putin has as much as announced that he intends to take over and control essentially all the countries that were once part of the Soviet Union, clearly he thinks that Russia has some right to rule over anyone unfortunate enough to live next to Russia. I see this is very analogous to the French helping us in our revolution against England. We would never have been free if it hadn't been for French weapons and lots of French troops, and the French navy blockading the Chesapeake Bay at a critical time. And yet, so many Americans, benefactors in freedom of the help from another country, would deny this kind of help....WITHOUT any troops, without any American blood being spilled. I find the anti-freedom rhetoric to be just sad to read.

16, no, no, no, no, no. Being opposed to getting involved in some ridiculous Asian land war does not make us pro-Putin. That's a DNC talking point. We are opposed to getting involved because it's dumb. We have zero strategic interest in whether Ukraine is run by the corrupt authoritarian comedian or by the Russian authoritarian ex-KGB thug. We have no business in this. We promised the old Ukraine help. This is the new and unrelated corrupt anti-democratic Ukraine. We owe these clowns nothing.

If the solution included administering Zelesky and his wife the Ceaucescu treatment, which they deserve, and installing a somewhat honest government, maybe, but that's not part of the money-laundering plan.

Joe, the man who caved to the Taliban, suddenly resolves to commit this country to prop up his family's corrupt patron. Of all the promises he's made throughout his disgusting career, this is the one he chooses to keep. Now he has re-opened the Cold War. We can now look forward to the steady bleeding of our best and brightest in future proxy wars between client states as we settle into the game reciprocal reprisals. Joe bombed a pipeline that could have kept western Europe supplied with energy indefinitely. He converted billions of dollars of investments to a pile of rusting pipe at the bottom of the ocean. Does anyone imagine there won't be consequences? Only a democrat can think that. It seems that perpetual, low level war-fare is the only solution they can imagine to keep our economy productive, our people employed, and Wall Street happy.

Jimmy Dore lays out the reasons not to support Ukraine in a couple of minutes. https://twitter.com/ImMeme0/status/1627115992294871040?s=20