When All The Media Narratives Collapse
The Weekly Dish,
by
Andrew Sullivan
Original Article
Posted By: earlybird,
11/13/2021 4:21:39 PM
The news is a perilous business. It’s perilous because the first draft of history is almost always somewhat wrong, and needs a second draft, and a third, and so on, over time, until the historian can investigate with more perspective and calm. The job of journalists is to do as best they can, day by day, and respond swiftly when they screw up, correct the record, and move forward.(snip)
But when the sources of news keep getting things wrong, and all the errors lie in the exact same direction, and they are reluctant to acknowledge error, we have a problem.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
Mofongo 11/13/2021 5:03:05 PM (No. 976579)
After decades committing journalism, Sullivan is finally getting a bit of an inkling (though he still turns first to the Times for his morning deception.) My question for him: how much damage have you done along the way?
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
pros7767 11/13/2021 5:03:35 PM (No. 976580)
Probably need staff permission to post.
This idiot still reads the NYT's in the morning. He's learned nothing!
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Dodge Boy 11/13/2021 5:18:26 PM (No. 976589)
The answer to the msm's terrible performance and fake news? Stop consuming its so-called news product. Still waiting the the National MSM Boycott to intensify.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
lakerman1 11/13/2021 5:47:35 PM (No. 976616)
Sullivan is spot on in this article.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Birddog 11/13/2021 5:52:37 PM (No. 976620)
He is a Brit "Conservative"...that supported/voted for, Bill Clinton, jon Kerry, Obama, Hillary, and Biden,
He was "Poutraged" that Forbes named him #19 in their 2009 "Top 25 Liberals" list,while he was still claiming he was "Conservative".
The fact that NOW he is mentioning FACTS that conservatives have been tying for decades to make known, is mentioning FACTS about recent Liberal concocted Fake News, just means he is "Not a Communist" and can afford to be "Catty" as the people that he has basically supported cannot cast him out completely anymore.
Fine, Great...welcome to Reality. "Told ya So"(do NOT expect a fatted calf, it ain't happening)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Sullivan
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
earlybird 11/13/2021 5:53:51 PM (No. 976622)
Re #4, yes, he is. We have long maligned Andrew, and he deserved it. But he seems to be getting it.
I have wondered how anyone could watch CNN or MSNBC - many who post here do so because they have posted quotes and opinions on various hosts and so forth who are regulars there. They’d have to be watching them. Why on earth would they expose themselves to that rubbish? Masochism?
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
DVC 11/13/2021 7:22:43 PM (No. 976684)
Sullivan lost me when he opined "He had no business being there with an AR-15."
Mr. Sullivan is wrong. Mr. Rittenhouse specifically has the right to keep and bear arms in defense of himself and others, a human right recognized and formalized by the 2nd Amendment. There is NO location or time where you may "keep and bear" specified in the 2nd Amendment. And it would have been illegal for a minor to have a handgun by federal law, so he had a [apparently borrowed] rifle, which is legal to possess by minors in most states, probably in Wisconsin, too.
Mr. Sullivan ignores the VERY REAL meaning of the 2nd Amendment. "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" means precisely what it says, and even in Mr. Sullivan doesn't personally recognize that right, Mr. Rittenhouse had every legitimate reason to have the gun for self defense.
And that is what the case is about. Self-defense from violent, attacking criminals, one armed with a skateboard wielded like a club, one armed with a length of heavy chain, and one armed with a Glock handgun which he pointed at Mr. Rittenhouse from a few feet away.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
DVC 11/13/2021 7:25:15 PM (No. 976685)
Sullivan admits...."a report in NYT, which I relied on at the time".
This is a sign of extreme gullibility. NYT reports are certain to be twisted hard left in ALL news articles. Relying on them is at least foolish, probably willfully blind.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
Timber Queen 11/14/2021 1:19:59 AM (No. 976843)
I laughed through the whole article. What a maroon. I almost passed on reading this, as I haven't read anything by old Andy in at least 10 years, but glad I did because there is some great entertainment here. He's horrified he's been lied to by Rachel Madcow and the New York times...please! He's still clinging to Lefty dogma, he's just mad that the "Paper of Record" has been so sleazy that they've broke his bubble of believability. I'm sure there is Lefty specialty in psychiatry that can fix his azure-colored glasses to enable reading The Old Gray Lady again with confidence.
Andy is a Lefty that has made his living as a Conservative In Name Only, which makes him even sleazier than Rachel. Its just that the BS flowing out Fake News is more than he can handle; the cognitive dissonance must be off the charts. His social/work circle went so nuclear communist its making it harder for him to perform his role as the loyal opposition and keep any shred of credibility. If that was his intent with this article, he missed the mark.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Miceal 11/14/2021 5:39:48 AM (No. 976913)
Sorry, this dolt is dead to me.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
judy 11/14/2021 5:46:33 AM (No. 976921)
Nothing new...Mueller investigation, 2 Trump impeachments, Jan 6th, Rittenhouse....next....
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
planetgeo 11/14/2021 5:55:41 AM (No. 976931)
Have you ever noticed how when the truth finally starts raining down in buckets, the worms that had been hiding in the grass come slithering out onto the sidewalk? I find it somehow reassuring the way the coming sunlight captures their shriveled old beliefs.
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#12 I love a visual analogy that is spot on.
I am not so naive to buy the brand new self assessment by a complicit media.
Although "hands up don't shoot" is a recent example, the Richard Jewell case reveals that the media has not done investigate reporting or honest reporting for many years.
They are a shill for the deep state that has long been imbedded in our federal agencies.
The only good news in this article is that we might be watching the pattern of backing away from a crime uncovered. When crooks get caught in a lie, they will often admit to a small part of their crime, in hopes of looking forthcoming and contrite. I have a sliver of hope that they see they have been caught, and by exposing some of what they know, hope against hope to retain some tiny amount of credibility from a forgetful public. Not happening!
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
privateer 11/14/2021 7:22:03 AM (No. 976957)
Here's another visual analogy. The New York Times is a marvel of modern technology: a cesspool attached to a fountain. It collects the lowest, most outrageous lies, and spreads them far and wide.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
Otis Gill 11/14/2021 7:37:17 AM (No. 976966)
From the article. "The far right viewed Rittenhouse as a hero — which he surely wasn’t. He had no business being there with an AR-15."
Thank God he had that AR-15 to defend himself and fight back against evil. If something doesn't happen soon, there may be many more of us doing the same.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
BarryNo 11/14/2021 8:01:02 AM (No. 976990)
Rittenhause was not a hero. But he acted like a true American. He RESPONSIBLY carried his weapon. He offered no harm until attacked. He administered aid to those in need.
His gun control was spot on, on his attackers. He did not then go on a rampage on other 'ptotesters' in the mob who chased him. He immediately contacted police.
Then, the local 'Justice Department' revealed itself as a bought and paid for by Soros, joke.
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Andrew Sullivan has had a Come-to-Jesus moment.
What took him so long?
The list of biased media lies stretches back decades.
He will revert to his own inability to understand events. Seeing the light is never more than temporary with Andrew Sullivan types.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
SoldiersMom 11/14/2021 8:40:45 AM (No. 977035)
The one area Sullivan couldn't bring himself to touch was the lie that the 2020 election was accurate. That there was no fraud.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
Strike3 11/14/2021 8:47:24 AM (No. 977040)
#6, the advice from Sun Tzu is "know your enemy" and that's why we have spies. I stop by CNN and MSNBC once in a while to see what sort of garbage they are spewing and then immediate disgust sends me on my way when I see it's the same old same old. The media is corrupt for the same reason that Hollywood is corrupt and democrats are corrupt - there's money in it. Hollywood was begun and has run for a long time on Jewish and Sicilian organized crime. You did not work there if you did not contribute to the "big guys." Look up "Sidney Korshak." Since most news outlets could not possibly be making it on their own through public sales, one can only assume that the democrats are routinely paying their personal version of Pravda to keep them all afloat - that's why it's all pro-democrat and Never Trump 24/7.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
Ida Lou Pino 11/14/2021 9:24:08 AM (No. 977084)
I'm sick of these leftists who stumble onto the truth - - but who still remain devoted leftists and Trump-haters.
Andy is an incorrigible leftie and truth-denier. I want no part of anything he says or writes.
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I've been reading Andrew for years, he has always seemed to be one of the more sane leftists. Maybe it is because he is actually very intelligent but misled, I don't know. He gets it spot on this time, though, and whatever you think about him he deserves at least a golf clap for this op ed. He even, and not so begrudgingly, gives President Trump credit where credit is due.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
JackBurton 11/14/2021 10:02:17 AM (No. 977123)
A good list of media failures... And, of course, not complete. How could it be.
A good article for understanding why only about 19% of the people rate the news highly.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
bigfatslob 11/14/2021 10:02:29 AM (No. 977124)
To Mr. Sullivan, you relied on the NYT at the time? That sounds dumb you must be a slow learner. The reason for subscribing to the New York Times was best said, "they have good crossword puzzles". That would excuse you if that wrapping, bird cage liner was on your front porch today.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
Zigrid 11/14/2021 10:22:44 AM (No. 977135)
The Rittenhouse trial as been an eye opener to the injustice the justice department is doing...the captured video of this poor kid fighting off the blm/antifa mob speaks for itself...and protecting himself from a beating by these thugs is proof enough of the nightmare this kid had to endure...but then the fake media turned on him and now WE are stuck with jurors being harassed and intimidated...a prosecutor using illegal means to follow the narrative the government has given him...
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
The Remnants 11/14/2021 11:03:47 AM (No. 977181)
I am so old that I remember when The New York Times was a really great newspaper (though I preferred to read The New York Herald Tribune at the time). We had to read James Scotty Reston's column in the Times as part of our current event's class. I just read Reston's 1995 New York Times obituary, "James Reston, a Giant of Journalism Dies at 85".
I believe there are many women and men who are on their way to becoming today's journalism giants, but I think they have to be part of the independent media so they can have some independence of thought.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
Speedypetey 11/14/2021 12:24:26 PM (No. 977270)
No doubt from the BlazeTV news crew that was on the scene and alone with no law enforcement down the streets in all directions that the homeowners and store owners were in for a 2nd night of riots, looting and arson. The FBI drone video reaffirms the plan to leave these citizens/property owners to the fascists. Had it not been for a brave 17 year old!
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Sullivan focuses on the Rittenhouse trial, and the events surrounding it, but also mentions President Trump.
I was halfway through reading this excellent article - posted by someone else - and had to step away. When I came back, it was gone. With apologies to original poster, I decided to post it again. Hoping it will stay this time. It should be a Must Read.