Navy investigation reveals sub hit uncharted
underwater mountain
Washington Times,
by
Joseph Clark
Original Article
Posted By: Ribicon,
11/2/2021 2:01:36 PM
A U.S. Navy investigation has determined that the nuclear attack submarine damaged in a collision in the South China Sea in early October struck an uncharted underwater mountain, defense officials said Monday. The Navy’s U.S. 7th Fleet commander Vice Adm. Karl Thomas is now conducting a review of the findings to determine whether any additional accountability measures will be taken, U.S. Naval Institute News reported. "The investigation determined USS Connecticut grounded on an uncharted seamount while operating in international waters in the Indo-Pacific region,” 7th Fleet spokesperson Cmdr. Hayley Sims said in a statement. Vice Adm. Thomas “will determine whether follow-on actions, including accountability, are appropriate.”
Reply 1 - Posted by:
oldmagnolia 11/2/2021 2:03:29 PM (No. 964814)
Maybe they were trying some new make up and didn't see it - on the chart I mean.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
DVC 11/2/2021 2:13:02 PM (No. 964825)
I still wonder if the ChiComs aren't doing it. They have been building islands in the same sea, why not a few
hazards for subs built at the same time?
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
ThreeBadCats3 11/2/2021 2:16:32 PM (No. 964832)
One of the Chinese made tubes to the sonar machine burned out. Bring back G.E. or Phillips.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
downnout 11/2/2021 2:18:28 PM (No. 964835)
Are the Chinese building obstacles?
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Noj15 11/2/2021 2:21:20 PM (No. 964837)
In other news, new video footage of the Kyle R event was introduced by his defense today. The video, which was leaked to Poso, was taken from the air by the FBI. Let that sink in. The video was taken from the air by the FBI. "Calling Congress. Calling Congress."
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No idea what the real story is, but if a spokesman for our government said it, it's a lie.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
LC Chihuahua 11/2/2021 2:35:33 PM (No. 964852)
Did China build it? Or did China figure out a way to screw with sonar?
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
DVC 11/2/2021 2:41:31 PM (No. 964855)
#3, can't use active sonar when sneaking around. It instantly gives away their position.
A family member, former F-14 pilot, once gave me this excellent example why the F-4 and F-14 had passive infra-red or optical detectors and often kept their powerful search radars turned off. He said:
"Imagine you are in a HS gym, in pitch darkness with a shotgun and a flashlight, and your ears. Turn on the flashlight and you'll instantly get shot at by the bad guy in the same gym with same equipment when he see's your light. But....listen hard and locate the bad guy by noise, while making no noise, and then you can flip on the light and shoot at the same instant, already looking approximately at the target by sound.
Radar or active sonar are the "lights" and passive infra-red or passive (listening) sonar are the "ears".
Subs never turn on their active sonar until things are already 'blown' and they need more accurate info, perhaps to fire a torpedo....which is also very noisy, and gives their position away, too.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
skacmar 11/2/2021 2:43:45 PM (No. 964860)
Was the sonar person asleep at he wheel? How do you not see an undersea mountain on the sonar screens while you are approaching it? It should not matter if the mountain was on the charts or not. Things change, new obstacles appear. Maybe our military should worry more about military readiness traiing than "PC equity" trainings.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
hershey 11/2/2021 2:59:21 PM (No. 964877)
Maybe they should borrow some bats from Biteme's belfry and they could use their sonar....
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
MDConservative 11/2/2021 3:02:48 PM (No. 964886)
The Chinese sure dumped a lot of dredgings to build that...
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
DVC 11/2/2021 3:12:27 PM (No. 964904)
#9, active sonar is OFF normally. As explained in #8.
Passive sonar only listens and mountains don't make noises.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
DVC 11/2/2021 3:16:38 PM (No. 964906)
If you want to learn more about sub ops....the book Bling Man's Bluff is a good one.
And like any other topic, if you 'learned all about submarines in movies' most of what you learned is baloney, like all other technical topics. I was born into a USN family, mostly aviators and USN friends spent careers on subs....although they can't talk about most of it. The book filled in a lot of blanks.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
red1066 11/2/2021 3:22:00 PM (No. 964914)
BS. Uncharted my arse. That area of the world has been navigated so many times by ships and subs, that every square inch has been charted. This was a screw up by the commander of the sub, and because the U.S. military couldn't afford another Afghanistan moment, they're calling it an uncharted underwater mountain instead of somebody on board screwed up.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
starbaby 11/2/2021 3:22:07 PM (No. 964915)
Maybe they should get one of those alert thingys that beeps when you're about to hit something. I think Chevrolet makes one.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
bad-hair 11/2/2021 3:31:48 PM (No. 964929)
Somebody wasn't paying attention. I have worked with the sonar systems on these submarines. Check out SeaBeam in Boston. They can see in real time everything around them.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
Dodge Boy 11/2/2021 3:31:51 PM (No. 964930)
Pay wall.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
BGray2 11/2/2021 3:52:38 PM (No. 964950)
It's one thing when a beered up fisherman with a $300 Garmin depthfinder runs aground. But a nuclear submarine with millions of dollars worth of navigation electronics? Someone's got some explaining to do.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
BarryNo 11/2/2021 3:57:52 PM (No. 964954)
The Navy will say what it wants. Who can prove otherwise?
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
Avikingman 11/2/2021 4:15:51 PM (No. 964979)
USS Connecticut, built by mostly DemonRats in 'RAT-ridden Connecticut.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
Lazyman 11/2/2021 4:39:30 PM (No. 965006)
They are using the proper pronouns so that is good anyway.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
ussjimmycarter 11/2/2021 4:45:32 PM (No. 965009)
I’m sure they were using commie measurements! 1/2th’s America! No metric system in a freedom machine ever! “Aye Captain she’s a meter deep”. The Captain had no idea how deep on feet and inches that was and ordered full speed ahead!
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
brownshoepogue 11/2/2021 5:19:59 PM (No. 965046)
Reminiscent of the USS San Francisco event back in 2005. Sounds like human error.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
czechlist 11/2/2021 5:39:58 PM (No. 965062)
Reckon the sub was running deeper than any before. Thise eaters should be well charted.
Now the Chicoms and Russkies can make a measurement and perhaps determine previously unknown depth capabilities
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
HPmatt 11/2/2021 5:50:23 PM (No. 965074)
They could've found that missing Fukoshima reactor the Japaneses have been looking for after the Tsunami...
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While seismic events (i.e., earhtquakes) periodically change the terrain of the ocean floor, one of the great technological wonders is the ability of our submarines to fly around at depth while knowing both their own precise location and the terrestrial hazards around them at all times. And it's all done passively.
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
Birddog 11/2/2021 6:01:19 PM (No. 965092)
years ago I knew a guy, hired him as a "helper" on one of my construction crews, freshly discharged from the navy...without completing his full term of service. He was a highschool buddy of the brother of a girl I knew...her brother was still in the Navy, the two had enlisted at the same time. He had been a sonar man(trainee) on an Aircraft Carrier, he was in the "Chair" when it ran aground in the middle of San Francisco bay, with his MOM standing right by him....during fleet week.All of the parents/friends family/dignitaries had to be shuttled from the ship. Fleet ops entirely altered until they were able to get the big flattop free. Had they not had a High/High tide to help get it off, Blue Angles and other festivities would have had to be canceled.
He was a TOTAL DIPCHIT, never made it past helper, couldn't be trusted with tools, equipt, got the forklift stuck the 1st/only time I let him drive it. I kept him on the payroll just to clean up trash and hand people stuff...and only that because he could walk to the job from the Girls house where he was staying, in her brothers room. Total sadsack of a guy. ended up a baaaaad drunk. I took the crew and some friends out sailing one time on Galveston Bay, he fell overboard FOUR times, finally had to order him below and task someone to shove back down there if he tried to come back topside again
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
MickTurn 11/2/2021 6:15:39 PM (No. 965109)
Following Charts made by Idiot Democraps in the Govt...
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
ronbet 11/2/2021 6:27:30 PM (No. 965127)
I always thought these Subs had SONAR and other devices that allowed them to "see" objects, man made and otherwise, under water. How did this happen and the Sub and its handlers didn't see it?
Something seems odd about this entire story.
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
bamboozle 11/2/2021 6:30:46 PM (No. 965135)
We're the charts printed by a low bidder in China?
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Can we believe this story? What really happened? Something at the hands of the Red Chinese?
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
paral04 11/2/2021 8:16:26 PM (No. 965238)
Don't they have sonar to detect these obstructions? Or is having that capability racist or anti-transgender?
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That's just dirty pool, putting a mountain where our LGBTQ+ submarine might crash into it.