Magic Bus
Power Line,
by
John Hinderaker
Original Article
Posted By: mean Gene,
7/18/2021 9:40:21 AM
Possibly the dumbest thing any country could do from an energy standpoint is to promote widespread use of electric vehicles, while simultaneously mandating reliance on wind and solar energy, which work less than half the time.
Moreover, governments’ politically-motivated reliance on electric vehicles like buses has been a disaster. This is a typical “green” fiasco:
More than two dozen electric Proterra buses first unveiled by the city of Philadelphia in 2016 are already out of operation, according to a WHYY investigation.
We fail to see the big picture and their end game.
They want to have us sitting at home, hoping the government will allow us to have electricity tonight, and walking to the local government agency to stand in line for cheese.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
lakerman1 7/18/2021 9:55:01 AM (No. 849506)
The rest of us Pennsylvanians have long ago concluded that Philadelphia can't do one damned thing correctly.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
chance_232 7/18/2021 10:08:33 AM (No. 849516)
I just did some quick research. A 150000000 watt charging station can charge 20 busses at a time. That much power can literally power 900+ homes. A Tesla super charger can quick charge 2 vehicles at a time to 80% in 45 minutes. That charger draws 750 amps and could easily power a single home for a month.
We don't have that much power generating capacity nor a power grid to support it if we did. Solar panels are at best 22% efficient and about 500 would be needed to fully power a tesla super charger that operates 24/7. 21,000 pounds of solar cells and about 9000 square feet of ground to install them.
The cost, quantities and power requirements are staggering. And don't get me started on maintenance. Replacement costs and disposal.
The average voter and politician seen to believe that we just plug these things in a wall like a toaster.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
GO3 7/18/2021 10:13:19 AM (No. 849523)
And yet, even after the winter storm disaster, Texas is doubling down on wind turbines. They’re going up all over the place. Madness.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
RuckusTom 7/18/2021 10:16:58 AM (No. 849526)
Gonna need a nuclear reactor at the end of every city block to provide all the electricity needed for electric cars.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
marbles 7/18/2021 10:25:35 AM (No. 849530)
Payoffs, kickbacks, money laundering.................that's what it's all about. And controlling the people.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
LanceLink1 7/18/2021 10:32:36 AM (No. 849535)
......and Atlas Shrugged.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
snowoutlaw 7/18/2021 10:36:44 AM (No. 849540)
I suggest they put a diesel generator on each bus to keep it charged. Also return the cracked busses to the manufacture and demand a full refund.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
Vaquero45 7/18/2021 10:39:26 AM (No. 849543)
And.... guess who was on Proterra’s board of directors, and owned a boatload of their stock? Jennifer Granholm, Biden’s Secretary of Energy.
These people are scum.
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Green energy is merely a vehicle so that bureaucratic pigs can enrich themselves at the public trough. In this case it's the the Secretary of Energy and electric buses.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
Ketchuplover 7/18/2021 11:23:58 AM (No. 849590)
It's so easy for ego-glutton politicians to spend money that's not their own - to benefit themselves politically. It's time that they also be assessed for losses. Any politician who votes in favor of this utopian garbage, should also be penalized monetarily for losing/throwing away the people's hard-earned money.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
DVC 7/18/2021 11:24:40 AM (No. 849591)
"...the battery life was insufficient for the city’s bus routes." and a Wisconsin city was able to buy TWO buses for only $1.5 million.
Electric vehicles have always been short on range, and long on cost. And they will ALWAYS be so, since the battery energy density is only a tiny fraction of the energy density of an internal combustion engine and a fuel tank. Unless you have money to burn (taxpayer money seems to burn exceptionally well) and don't really care about short range, all electric vehicles are a really bad idea. And note that the corrupt Dems are in on the profit from these worthless vehicles. Feeding at the trough. Pelosi is also invested in electric vehicles, and shoveling taxpayer money to them.....into her pockets.
And for those who keep saying "but they will be improving the batteries a lot in just a short time, you wait", I say....No, batteries have been in intensive development by huge companies with large, skilled staffs and very large budgets for well over a century, pretty much all the development that there will be is done. The remaining improvements will be in the 2% range, not the 200% range that is needed to be competitive.
Chemical reactions have limits. You can't design a "new, improved lead atom" or a "more efficient lithium atom". They are what they are, and their reactions are finite and all known. The 118 elements react together in only a fixed number of ways.
Almost all of the advances in batteries in the last 20 years have been due to 1) computerized charging of lithium batteries to make them less likely to explode and burn while being charged 2) non-metallic internal plates in lithium batteries to make them lighter. No real increases in energy per unit volume, but they got a bit lighter, so energy density went up a bit. But, they still periodically burst into flames and destroy the vehicle that they are installed in. There have been a couple of massive aircraft crashes which were caused by ordinary lithium AA batteries, the size of a human little finger. GM recently warned owners of their electric car, the Bolt, to not park it in a garage....since it could burst into flames and burn down, so it should be parked outside at all times. Fun stuff, eh?
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
bpl40 7/18/2021 11:44:59 AM (No. 849611)
Take away gas run cars. Produce less electricity. Control the stranded population. The Bolsheviks did it with the Gulag Archipelago. Their Democrat successors are trying a different method.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
DVC 7/18/2021 12:02:00 PM (No. 849621)
Congratulations #8, you just re-invented the hybrid-electric bus. Really.
I was the simulations guy on the design team for one of the first hybrid-electric buses every built, in 1973. We built a working prototype, hauled passengers around campus a few times on test runs to do some calibration runs. It was part of my master's degree research project.
Ultimately....after thinking about it for almost 50 years, I think you are better off just running the diesel engine directly to the wheels, saving cost and weight.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
moebellini3 7/18/2021 3:23:57 PM (No. 849771)
PATHETIC. More taxpayer money down the rat hole.
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Not only do these $900,000 buses crack under the weight of their own batteries, but they can only manage to work on 2 of the city's many routes, because those two are nearly flat. Then, every 30 miles, each bus has to go in for a recharge! So, 24 buses, $23 million, two routes. And, if solar and wind ever replace coal and oil, when will they be allowed to recharge?