Noonan's Downfall
American Thinker,
by
Rajan Laad
Original Article
Posted By: 4250Luis,
11/29/2024 5:01:50 AM
Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan during a recent conversation with journalist Bari Weiss made some startling revelations.
Noonan calls herself a conservative and was once a speechwriter for President Ronald Reagan. But like most mainstream conservative commentators of that era, Noonan abandoned both her conservative and journalistic principles to devolve into a rabid hater of President Trump.
She believed the hoaxes against President Trump, particularly the Trump-Russia collusion hoax. When she was proven wrong, instead of accepting her mistake, she claimed she didn’t “know what to thi
Reply 1 - Posted by:
HPmatt 11/29/2024 5:23:39 AM (No. 1844786)
WSJ lost me after editorial ‘Blood & Earth’ slur of tea party….
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
Sully 11/29/2024 5:30:56 AM (No. 1844789)
There is something you should know about writers. They are prideful. They write and if they are good writers, they rewrite many times untill the piece is perfect.
Then they publish.
It is really hard for them to go back to a piece they wrote and say, That was rubbish. But they must do it, or they stay married to the rubbish.
Noonan is in a toxic long term relationship with rubbish. But her toxins poison only herself, not DJT. I don't respect her.
Otoh my admiration of President Trump grows by her subtraction.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
chance_232 11/29/2024 5:39:12 AM (No. 1844790)
Once upon a time, I couldn't wait to read a Peggy Noonan opinion piece. She used words like a surgeon uses a scalpel. She could take a person down, but in the nicest way possible. Here TDS is why I stopped reading her.
Full disclosure. I was not originally a Trump fan. What turned me was the media. Specifically, people like Noonan.
I try to remain objective and intellectually honest and found myself defending Trump when he was attacked unfairly, or the accusations were false, and I knew for a fact what the truth was. It's an eye opening experience to know a subject thoroughly and watch or read the media either get the facts completely wrong, take statements out of context, make it up or just outright lie. All to either destroy or prop up a person.
Noonan lost all credibility with me, just like most of the never-Trumpers. Sure, they might have their reasons not to like him. But please, don't make mountains out of every mole hill while glossing over his opponents "mountains
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
5 handicap 11/29/2024 5:47:41 AM (No. 1844794)
There was a time when Noonan had some gravitas... Then again that was 30-40 years ago. I really feel sorry for her bidenesque brilliance! :-)
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Just ignore her and don’t by the book she is shilling.
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Her quotes are staggering. Staggering under the weight of her ego and self-regard that is.
On a related Noonan note, when the Obama IRS scandal broke (and it WAS an Obama scandal for those who claim he had none) she wrote 'We can survive a corrupt agency. We cannot survive a corrupt government.'
Well, Ms Noonan, you say you've been writing about Trump for 8 years (surely more than that?) and you have seen corruption in government from the Oval Office down to lowly doorshakers in the Capitol Police. And it isn't just financial corruption although the sitting president is surely history's biggest taker of bribes.
Government is ideologically corrupt and that may be a great deal worse. They are political animals serving one party and subverting the law whenever and however they like to combat designated enemies starting with Trump.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
Judy W. 11/29/2024 6:20:00 AM (No. 1844812)
Long ago, when she first worked for Ronald Reagan, I liked Peggy Noonan. Then the Challenger explosion happened and Peggy wrote Reagan's speech, a great speech. I admired her for it. Then various media noted that Peggy Noonan wrote that speech and wasn't she wonderful. She became a celebrity of sorts. It had never been a tradition to identify the writers of politicians' speeches, except after the politician left office, and I considered it unethical -- obviously she had been promoting herself. At that time I was writing fundraising direct mail letters for major conservative groups. Often my client would get some well-known person to sign one of my letters. Occasionally some of my copy was mentioned in the media and I thought of how narcissistic and wrong it would be if I then announced that I was the person who wrote it. So I've never felt anything but contempt for Peggy since then.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
DW626 11/29/2024 6:23:21 AM (No. 1844813)
Is the DC cocktail party circuit that important, that much fun, that addictive?
Nooner has outlived her shelf life.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
Penelope27 11/29/2024 7:21:38 AM (No. 1844837)
I do not consider Country Club Republicans as true Republicans nor do I consider Limousine Liberals true Democrats. Peggy Noonan and her ilk (on both sides) have just been trying to “steer” the parties in the direction they deem fit. We are fortunate that Trump came along and bucked the system. If Trump started speaking like a mealy mouth Bush, at this point, I would drop him and start looking for someone new who speaks to my truth. Reagan and Trump have come the closest for me and let’s remember that Reagan never had the Senate nor the House.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
bpl40 11/29/2024 7:29:17 AM (No. 1844845)
Before Trump, the Media was able to destroy individuals, careers at will. It was a fearsome , formidable power. Trump changed that. They will never forgive him for that. And you know what, after Nov 5 they need not bother!
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
philsner 11/29/2024 7:37:16 AM (No. 1844853)
Left wing scribblers will now have to deal with their inflated view of their own importance.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
JackBurton 11/29/2024 7:38:38 AM (No. 1844854)
I read and owned her book "What I Saw at the Revolution" and liked it. I liked her WSJ article "There is no time; There Will Be Time". Prescient.
But she lost all credibility in her summary (and stupid AND uninformed) dismissal of Sarah Palin. Sarah had accomplishments that demanded respect but got none from the Pegster. Since then, her articles were useful in the same way a weather vane pointing in the wrong direction is useful. You know what it's saying; go the opposite way.
And, really, if i were her, I wouldn't have penned this article. In confirmed that she's a kool aid drinker. Big time.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
jeffkinnh 11/29/2024 7:44:27 AM (No. 1844858)
Anyone who has followed Trump's struggles with the media and the corrupt government has to recognize the hatred and arrogance in the people that have falsely attacked him. They attack him because he brings very dangerous ideas to the political arena; great respect for America and her People. The people that attack him believe in their own superiority and vision of America; a vision in sharp contrast to the the reality of Constitutional Republic government and the reality of the actual lives of her people.
The two visions are antithetical so for Trump's vision, the authentic one, to stand, the other vision must be undone. All the people in government and media that oppose the authentic version of America must be pushed out. Those people know this, are terrified of this, and will say and do ANYTHING to resist.
The agencies that have attempted a "fundamental transformation of America" have cheated. There are mechanisms to make changes in the structure of American governance. They take great agreement among the People, over important issues like the end of slavery, to put in place. This can be hard work. The "transformers" have attempted to make illegal changes by subtle internal coups to shift power from the People and elected officials to unelected agencies and an unaccountable and rabid media.
Trump started by pointing out media was lying which, as soon as you took an objective look, was arguably true. Given their egos, this drove the media nuts. They became careless in their attempts to get Trump and it became blatantly obvious how corrupt and untrustworthy they have become.
The second step was simple in concept but VERY hard in execution. Trump endured. Trump, the warrior, continued to fight battles and won far more than he lost because he forced the Left to prove their case and they failed, over and over. This type of personal endurance in politics is almost unpredicted in modern times. The iconic culmination of this was when Trump, shot and bloodied, rose in defiance with his fist in the air and called US to FIGHT ALONGSIDE HIM!
What are the pissants like Noonan and the media in the face of this kind of strength and courage and righteousness?
And the media has to see this and innately recognize how it diminishes them. And that drives them even more crazy.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
Strike3 11/29/2024 7:47:12 AM (No. 1844862)
A couple of wine shops in the area will soon be boarding up their windows.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
Lucky5 11/29/2024 8:03:12 AM (No. 1844881)
When Sarah Palin was running with McCain. Peggy made vile, snooty, rude remarks about her the entire time and was caught on a hot mike sitution.
"Noonan is a leading member of this odious group of propagandists.." FTA- This is how I feel about her too.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
rushie 11/29/2024 8:05:49 AM (No. 1844885)
The Wall Street Journal promotes any criticism of Pres Trump.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
LLAMA 11/29/2024 8:10:18 AM (No. 1844891)
I agree completely with #3. Couldn't wait to read her weekly WSJ column. A more masterful wordsmith could not be found, and her serene political analysis was at times profound. But she contracted TDS somewhere along the way, and she lost it. I don't think TDS is a joke; it's very real and should be studied, and perhaps treated is some way.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
broken01 11/29/2024 8:12:50 AM (No. 1844895)
Back in my younger days I used to be fans of Peggy Noonan, Mona Charen, George Will, Bill Kristol, Britt Hume, Jonah Goldberg and the late Charles Krauthammer. All of them and Noonan in particular came down with an incurable strain of TDS and are no longer on my read or watch list.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
Subsuburban 11/29/2024 8:12:51 AM (No. 1844896)
Soi disant "journalists" are like fish that exist only in a school of like-minded other fish. They all swim in the same direction, at the same speed and cannot exist outside the school. They come to believe that their school comprises the entire world and can no longer even conceive of existence outside the school. Soon, anyone or anything outside their school is perceived as a threat and the instinct is either to attack in a swarm or flee. Trump appeared to the swarm as a potential existential threat so they reacted as such fish alwys do. Even now, after an entire term in office during which Trump did NOTHING to impair--and much to improve--the rights of American citizens, they continue to perceive him as a threat. They are to be pitied, but never, ever allowed to dominate public discourse again.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
aliciacolon 11/29/2024 8:16:42 AM (No. 1844899)
I met Paggy the first day I started at the New York Sun. She was only there a short time and she was very gracious and kind to me. Lucianne told me some things about her that explains why she changed. I will not share that wth anyone but Lucy was dead on. Pity.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
msjena 11/29/2024 8:45:50 AM (No. 1844925)
I have never liked Peggy Noonan very much. She has always struck me as sanctimonious, snobbish and rather enamored with herself. It was no surprise that she was a Never Trumper. Trump doesn't deal in platitudes, like the ones Peggy writes. He also isn't the choice the inner circle of DC/Manhattan pundits who think what they say and think is important.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
Dodge Boy 11/29/2024 8:52:55 AM (No. 1844931)
FTA - "Noonan's trepidation minutes before meeting Trump also revealed that spending prolonged periods in the echo chamber causes divorce from reality."
Consequently, Noonan forgot her charge as a journalist. And became a victim of her own profession. It's the old, you hear the same things long enough and loud enough, pretty soon you start to believe it. I don't know Noonan's personality but guessing she may be more of a Type A individual. Such individuals tend to live in their own reality. I could be way off base. Just a guess on my part.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
Hazymac 11/29/2024 9:00:03 AM (No. 1844938)
The Spin Doctors had an early 'Nineties hit with "Little Miss Can't Be Wrong," which is an appropriate song for Ms. Noonan. Ever since non-politician Trump's appearance on the political scene, Peggy and other erstwhile sensible commentators lost their way, lost their professionalism. They let their feelings get involved and became overcome. Like the dinosaurs of yore, they couldn't adjust. Now they have become part of the opposition because hating Trump is what makes them feel best. PDJT will rise while they must fall, reputations shot, their former readers looking at them askance, shaking their heads.
" ... Little miss, little miss, little miss can't be wrong / Whatcha gon' do to get into another one of these here rock 'n' roll songs?"
https://genius.com/Spin-doctors-little-miss-cant-be-wrong-lyrics
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
jimincalif 11/29/2024 9:10:25 AM (No. 1844942)
I remember reading some of her columns about 0bama. This article explains what probably happened. She must have met 0bama, liked him (maybe felt a thrill up her leg like Matthews?) and could no longer be objective. If she’s that susceptible to being charmed she should pose as a journalist.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
Quigley 11/29/2024 9:45:26 AM (No. 1844964)
The analysis is good, and it reveals KooKoo NooNoo to have a deeply flawed mind.
But I don't believe anything she says about Trump. She is a shill for The Establishment is paid by the establishment and is a creation of It, whose only goal is to eliminate Trump by any means necessary. Without the bona fides bestowed upon her by It for her work to defraud the public - especially The Gulibles - she's just a crazy old lady at the grocery store arguing about the eggplant.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
DVC 11/29/2024 9:50:42 AM (No. 1844976)
Another one of the old "conservatives" who had a brain failure when Trump showed up, and were unable to grasp that he is GOOD for the country. George Will, Jonah Goldberg, Jennifer Rubin, Bill Kristol, Max Boot and Peggy Noonan are just the names that come to mind instantly in this wide group of the "conservative comentariat" who blew up their careers and destroyed their credibility with their severe TDS which was fatal to their careers.
And so far, non of these "conservatives" have been able to come back to reality, AFAIK. Still out in nutcase land.
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I shall never forget that Noonan sneered editorially at Sarah Palin. (That was years ago; consider the occupants of the White House since then.) Noonan continues to clutch her pearls to this day.
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BeatleJeff 11/29/2024 9:53:48 AM (No. 1844981)
It's a shame. I really used to like her, and others, like Jonah and Mona Charen, but they let TDS destroy their credibility. I saw Noonan on Fox a couple of days ago, first time in a long time. It just proves that Bob Dylan was right - some folks just want to be on the side that's winning. Noonan crawling back is proof of that.
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
Lawsy0 11/29/2024 10:03:27 AM (No. 1844991)
I had no idea she was still alive!
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Read and loved her book about the Reagan years ("When Character Was King") and like others, looked forward to her weekly columns. But she changed, shortly after 9/11. Got weirded out, and her writing approach took a turn. Laad hits upon the modifier that now describes her best - odious.
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
winmag 11/29/2024 10:27:59 AM (No. 1845015)
A total elitist, out of touch, war pig.
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
Italiano 11/29/2024 10:34:27 AM (No. 1845020)
Get over yourself, Peggy. Everybody else did a long time ago.
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Reply 33 - Posted by:
mythman 11/29/2024 10:40:31 AM (No. 1845025)
#20 Inquiring minds want to know!!
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Reply 34 - Posted by:
Maggie2u 11/29/2024 10:43:14 AM (No. 1845030)
Another person who that should have been listed in the article on those the media destroyed is Dan Quayle. The media sure attacked him after he misspelled a word.
The first time I heard Noonan speak several years ago on I was turned off by the way she was always 'breathless.' I don't know if that's the way she always talks or if it's an affectation she uses to try and impress people. Sort of like the way Jessica Tarlov talks. It's very off putting.
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Zigrid 11/29/2024 10:46:49 AM (No. 1845033)
Nothing Noonan is gone...she's been played by Washington's elites and she bought their stories and lies....any journalism major knows ...examine and scrutinize your sources....unless your Woodward and Bernstein who ran with gossip and helped take down a president...Nixon...they got full of themselves and betrayed our country...because NOW the truth about the coup against Nixon is starting to filter out....
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Reply 36 - Posted by:
whyyeseyec 11/29/2024 11:00:38 AM (No. 1845037)
Noonan states - ".He went on and off the record. But off the record, he was hilarious, rude, inappropriate, said things about foreign leaders that should not be said to a bunch of journalists."
If you and others agreed it was off the record, why are you telling us 'on the record'? See Peggy, this is why you and your brethren cannot be trusted. You're all a bunch of leftist's hacks who are supposed to remain impartial, yet are anything but! You are so irrelevant. It's time to retire, Peggy. Please don't write any more articles about Trump. We don't care what you have to say.
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Reply 37 - Posted by:
MickTurn 11/29/2024 11:09:40 AM (No. 1845046)
WSJ is just another outlet that has been Infested by the Commies.
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Reply 38 - Posted by:
NotaBene 11/29/2024 12:17:44 PM (No. 1845089)
Peggy Noonan is all about gentler emotions. Trump told US Mexicans are not sending their best, China need Tariffs. He is also a hilarious giant that started a new dancing craze. Trump is America’s godsend.
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Reply 39 - Posted by:
Italiano 11/29/2024 12:26:30 PM (No. 1845093)
I have no problem suggesting that Donald Trump may have done more to advance "Country Class" (hat tip to Prof. Codevilla), Main Street conservatism and conservative policies than any of the "elites" that #26 accurately cites. I read them all for years and concluded that for the most part they were writing to each other for mutual approval, otherwise preaching to the choir, sponsoring cruises and (most of them) rubbing elbows at DC cocktail parties.
When Trump came along and threatened their status as the smartest people in the room, they showed their true colors, nothing but contempt for those of us who abandoned them.
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Reply 40 - Posted by:
farmwife 11/29/2024 12:31:16 PM (No. 1845096)
She wouldn't meet with Trump because she thought she might be charmed by him, and thereby lose her objectivity?
So many contradictions here. She thought it was ok to have a knee jerk negative point of view, but couldn't risk having a positive point of view?
Did she risk being charmed by Obama?
This woman is a fool.
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Reply 41 - Posted by:
PrayerWarrior 11/29/2024 12:36:34 PM (No. 1845097)
For years Peggy has been snide, nasty to Americans who love President Trump. She looks down on us as if she has a higher station in life than others. What she projects is a small mean sniveling human being. May God have mercy on her and what she's said and done to others.
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Reply 42 - Posted by:
Ashley Brenton 11/29/2024 12:57:18 PM (No. 1845106)
Rush Limbaugh recounted the first time, early in his syndication, he was introduced to Noonan at a party in NYC.
"Oh, you're the one all the truck drivers listen to."
She was an elitist jerk LONG before Trump came down that escalator.
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Reply 43 - Posted by:
Noj15 11/29/2024 1:13:12 PM (No. 1845107)
I like this author. Sharp as a tack.
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Reply 44 - Posted by:
qr4j 11/29/2024 1:18:36 PM (No. 1845109)
Noonan is “conservative convenient” — as long as being conservative does inconvenience her, she’s fine with it. She dropped Bush 2 when Iraq went the war went Dolly Parton nipples up. Then she embraced Obama. It kept her in gin at the cocktail parties.
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Reply 45 - Posted by:
Strike3 11/29/2024 2:34:19 PM (No. 1845147)
It's well known in Washington circles that if one does not swim with the big fish, one does not get invited to the right cocktail parties and is not privy to the latest private gossip. That becomes a crippling blow to the journos who swim in alternate directions. You will notice that all of those leaks from Congress and the Pentagon are fed to the big fish.
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As many have said here, I thought Peggy Noonan was a good writer.
Not any more.
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Reply 47 - Posted by:
DVC 11/29/2024 6:42:10 PM (No. 1845256)
Re #20, please help us to understand. Noonan isn't going to tell us the truth.
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