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About That Inevitable Transition to Electric Vehicles...

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Posted By: Hazymac, 4/5/2024 9:01:07 AM

A funny thing happened on our way to our all-electric future: reality. I've written at length in recent weeks about Presidentish Joe Biden's hamfisted and wrongheaded EPA rules meant to force everybody into electric vehicles, whether EVs suit their needs or not. But maybe nothing to compare to Oliver Price's headline on Wednesday, asking "Is this the end of the EV?" Well, no. But we're still far, far away from the end of dino-burning engines — and likely to stay that way for far longer than the grifters in the EV industry and the autocrats in Washington (and several states, too) would have you believe.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Californian 4/5/2024 9:16:01 AM (No. 1693159)
The right answer as always is consumer choice. I've chosen a gas guzzling sports car and a Tesla for my needs. Your needs may be different and should be catered to by the market. The government putting a heavy hand on the scales and choosing for us like the Soviet Union or Maoist China is the height of stupidity. Technology keeps rolling on. When solid state batteries get here, the fire risk will be zero, range will double, charge times roughly match gas tank filling and prices will normalize. We're about 5 years from that at which point many will choose an EV who wouldn't have before and many will not. And that's a good thing for everyone. Joe's puppet masters are low grade morons who know nothing about economics or auto technology or the power grid.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: EJKrausJr 4/5/2024 9:45:42 AM (No. 1693188)
EV technology and support structure today are what ICEV technology and support structure were in the 1920's - primitive and not very good. If you buy an EV now you are wasting your money. Wait ten to fifteen years, then rethink the concept.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: privateer 4/5/2024 10:31:57 AM (No. 1693212)
I had a balsa wood toy airplane with a rubber band wind up propeller. Didn't go very far, or very well, but it didn't guzzle fuel like the one with a glow plug engine. Wonder why I just thought of that?
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Quigley 4/5/2024 10:45:14 AM (No. 1693223)
I read that personal transportation accounts for 5% of world energy use. So, noodling around with the "how" that 5% is utilized - electricity vs gasoline- is absorbing all the public's focus. I saw a guy in the logging business in Canada who was asked about Evs. He said a logging truck uses about 2.5 MgW per day, and that there are 5000 in use in Canada. That's 12.5 Gw per day. The new dam Canada is building, Site C, has taken 15 years to build and cost some $20B and produces some 1.4Gw. The logging trucks will pretty much need all of that. And then there's mining and construction. But logging and mining and construction are evil so we can shut them down.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Mass Minority 4/5/2024 11:08:18 AM (No. 1693238)
#1 you are right. From a performance and durability perspective electric motors have huge and undeniable advantages. But the drawbacks of battery technology currently negate them for a large part of the population. The culture of politicization and virtue signaling around them has also alienated a large part of the customer pool. I drive a big old Ram which I love but if the EV industry met three simple attributes I would buy an electric. 400 mile range no matter the weather (I rarely drive more than 400 miles in a day without stopping and admit it, 30 minutes for gas, a snack and bathroom break on a long trip is pretty normal 30 minute charge time, and infrastructure to support it And cost competitive to gas vehicles. Do that and the EV's will sell themselves.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: mc squared 4/5/2024 11:34:23 AM (No. 1693256)
Resale of EVs is in the dumper, too. Who wants a 3-4-5 year old EV that may need a 5 figure battery soon? Properly cared for petrol vehicles can run for 200,000 miles or more. I suggest Obiden mandate grants to EV owners who are under water at trade-in time.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: daisey 4/5/2024 1:36:11 PM (No. 1693347)
I think Biden should walk the walk and destroy his beloved Corvette. You know the one in the garage with the classified documents and cans of paints.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: DVC 4/5/2024 3:21:59 PM (No. 1693404)
NOT inevitable.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: Starboard_side 4/5/2024 4:13:53 PM (No. 1693422)
Was on a Zoom call that related to one single portion of the EV program which happened to be related to Port Drayage at the Port of Long Beach/LA complex. The trucking association president mentioned all of the costs and obstacles (they don't build very many per year is one major problem). And how few small to medium sized companies could afford them. And range was a huge issue, as was the extensive time to re-power up. The Southern California Edison representative mentioned the massive costs, not allocated, just to get things started moving in a small way. There was NO prospect that the infrastructure would be even close to ready by the 2030 date. The costs would all be passed along to the customer. The port director was 100% GO, GO, GO, no let up regardless of the obstacles. Didn't want to hear of the challenges - just meet the goal by the dates directed. 100% zero emissions is a rich man's dream but not a realistic target with today's technology.
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