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Bosch Warns Electric Vehicle Industry
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Posted By: Ribicon, 9/19/2022 9:29:57 PM

The head of mobility services for German electronics giant Robert Bosch GmbH has warned the electric vehicle industry of the reliance on battery cells and possible shortages in the future. Bloomberg reports that Markus Heyn, the head of mobility services for Bosch, has warned the electric vehicle industry over its overreliance on a single fuel source—battery cells—as Europe’s energy crisis worsens. Heyn, who’s also a board member of the auto parts giant, told the Monday edition of the Stuttgarter Zeitung: “We’re currently seeing the consequences of the gas shortage for Germany and Europe because we prepared too few alternatives. In the automotive industry, we should use this occasion

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Once they shut down the gas stations and we find that yes, electric cars are not viable on a large scale, we'll be happy to walk or ride our bicycles, as befits the peasantry in any third-world country.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: bpl40 9/19/2022 9:41:57 PM (No. 1282293)
Golf carts are the peak of battery technology. Cars are a bridge too far!
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Reply 2 - Posted by: MindMadeUp 9/19/2022 9:46:32 PM (No. 1282296)
It's not just that leftists are dominated by dogma; they're also stupid.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Safari Man 9/19/2022 9:57:38 PM (No. 1282300)
FTA: single fuel source — battery cells Bzzzt, thanks for playing. Batteries are not a fuel source whatsoever. Merely storage. Yes hydrogen is a fuel source, but storing hydrogen is not easy. At high pressures, it flows through thick steel relatively easily. And yes, hydrogen is abundant, but not in H2 form -- it must be manufactured in one way or another. Fuel cells were invented in the early 1800's. If they were truly viable, we've had 200 years to figure it out, but it hasn't happened.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: stablemoney 9/19/2022 10:05:01 PM (No. 1282302)
The best alternative source is gasoline powered cars. And there is already an infrastructure.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Californian 9/19/2022 10:08:20 PM (No. 1282304)
I'm not at all concerned about running out of batteries or EVs being mandated or whatever. Battery tech simply isn't there and won't be for a long time, if ever. The Invisible Hand shall increase the cost of batteries above the level most can reasonably afford and the choice will be oil or economic collapse and revolution. Wouldn't be the first time an empire fell and the first group to get offed is always the leaders of the failed government and their families. Standard historical stuff everywhere on the planet. These people will simply pivot and say oh uh oops "the other party ruined everything so we need to go to oil, don't worry it's green oil, yay"
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Reply 6 - Posted by: DVC 9/19/2022 10:21:53 PM (No. 1282308)
Electric cars are hopeless. No way to get the range available with gas cars, and they will never get charge times anywhere near the refueling times, not even down to ten times refueling times. And costs are hopelessly high, too.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Island Life 9/19/2022 10:32:17 PM (No. 1282314)
Belated thanks to the dinosaurs.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Heraclitus 9/19/2022 11:31:40 PM (No. 1282325)
How many times have you had to hop in your car and respond to an emergency, get to a hospital? If you live in hurricane-prone regions or tornado or wildfires, earthquakes, ice storms, snow storms etc, etc, you know how often you need to get in your vehicle and get to safety. As long as you have a full tank (something most of us learn to attend to at an early age) you know you have a chance. In one such emergency, we could get in our car and get some warmth during a massive ice storm which shut down everything. We know people in California have had minutes' warning to flee a rapidly advancing wildfire. You know. We all know. Anyone with a brain knows. But we also know people who ought to know but choose not to think because they're leftists, they are "regressives" (don't call them "progressives"), they are feudalists. Maybe they are Stone Agers relying on the sun for warmth and light. I know someone who was driving to work in Boston on a huge rainstorm and got stuck in traffic in a tunnel, and her electric car battery stopped working, and she couldn't open her car windows, or door as the water was rising. Fortunately, her cell phone worked, and emergency services got to her in time. Above and beyond everything else, forcing the country to go electric is a major assault on our freedom.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: pugetpower 9/19/2022 11:44:53 PM (No. 1282328)
If i were offered a free EV vehicle to replace a hi milage Camry, I would pass.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Axeman 9/19/2022 11:58:43 PM (No. 1282329)
An old fashioned alkaline battery, use once and throw away type, could be considered a fuel source, but any rechargeable battery is just a leaky container that always gives you back less fuel than was put in it. Not good at watts per pound. Two gallons of gas has more energy than the Tesla's battery stores at full charge. The gas engine is not as efficient at turning this energy into miles as the EV but everything else about it is better. Hydrogen just a bad way to move energy from one place to another. Imagine using electric energy to pump water to a high elevation, then use the water flowing down to drive a water turbine generator to run a factory. Hydrogen is the water in this analogy.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: DVC 9/20/2022 12:15:45 AM (No. 1282332)
Re #3, definitions are important. Hydrogen is NOT a "fuel". A "fuel" is something that you go and "get" like coal, or wood, or oil, or natural gas --- something pre-existing that by it's nature contains a lot of energy. You just go out and find a fuel, then use it, sometimes with minor treatment. And it is easy to store. Coal lays on the ground. Wood needs a tarp. Oil needs a simple steel tank, atmospheric pressure. Natural gas is stored in the ground, piped to point of use as needed. All cheap and easy, from super safe to pretty safe. Hydrogen is nowhere in gaseous form. Almost all hydrogen on this planet is in it's oxidized form, which is WATER. In this form it is abundant, but it contains NO energy. Hydrogen is liberated from water by the input of substantial amounts of energy, and then becomes an energy storage medium, not a fuel. And it is a really inconvenient and problematic energy storage medium. And DANGEROUS as heck. It is ignited by a spark energy which is far lower than the spark energy necessary to ignite a gasoline-air mixture. It cannot be easily or cheaply stored, and if you want to store it as a liquid, you need very high pressure storage tanks, which are also at cryogenic cold temps. And hydrogen enters many metals and makes them extremely brittle, seriously damaging their structural properties as tanks or pipes. Hydrogen is an even bigger mistake than battery cells. Believe it. I spent a good bit of time believing that hydrogen was THE ANSWER back in the 1990s, after realizing how limited solar energy really is. But after a LOT of technical study, I realized that I had been fooled, and hydrogen is a bad joke. Yes, it can be done - but at extreme costs,like NASA level costs, with massive amounts of the primary input energy being wasted to liberate the hydrogen, compress it and chill it and store it. HUGE energy wasting up front and very difficult and dangerous to store in very expensive storage tanks. And if you think a Tesla is dangerous in a road accident because he batteries catch fire.....then wait until we start having some auto accidents with hydrogen cars. Can you say Hindenberg? OK, review: Hydrogen is 1) not a fuel 2) requires some OTHER source of primary input energy to create it 3) then it require much more external energy to greatly compress and chill it to cryogenic temperatures 4) storage vessels are extremely expensive, subject to metal embrittlement by the hydrogen 5) it is dangerous as hell Hydrogen is a disaster, just like batteries are a disaster.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: GoodDeal 9/20/2022 12:39:35 AM (No. 1282342)
Nothing to worry about AOC says it's cool. You just get the electricity from the wall in your garage. It's all ok.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Strike3 9/20/2022 2:47:13 AM (No. 1282360)
Great arguments against the green plague by people more intelligent than those currently running the show but those who rule us will do a lot of damage and spend a boatload of money before reality bites them in the butt. Even if the technology worked and the infrastructure was in place, forcing people to take a trip on the road with three or four lengthy stops to wait in line to recharge the car is ridiculous and unreasonable. The only way EVs will ever work is to drop the battery idea and put electrified tracks into every road, a task that would take over a hundred years given the time now spent on fixing potholes. To keep enough electricity flowing in those tracks, windmills would have to be built on every available acre of dry land and the Earth would be covered in solar panels. It's a fools' dream.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: franq 9/20/2022 5:52:19 AM (No. 1282425)
Fool's dream indeed. That's why leftists and politicians love it.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Bur Oak 9/20/2022 8:41:11 AM (No. 1282544)
If the government has to mandate a product or action you can be assured it is bad.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: Faithfully 9/20/2022 9:07:05 PM (No. 1283252)
We have to jump through hoops to dispense of AAA batteries and blown fuses from the fuse box. How will we dispense of auto batteries? Will there be a charge?
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