What An Article V Convention Might Mean
Substack,
by
Robert W. Malone, MD, MS
Original Article
Posted By: earlybird,
9/3/2022 12:24:09 PM
While I was speaking at the John Birch Society (JBS) annual meeting in August 2022, the issue of an Article V Convention came up. Because their views on this topic are different than many other conservatives, I asked if they would write up their analysis of what calling such a convention might mean for the country. I offered to publish such an essay here on this substack,(snip)
(snip):
John Birch was a courageous Baptist missionary who went to China in 1940. When Colonel Jimmy Doolittle led the famous World War II bombing raid on Tokyo, John was brought to the survivors and he helped them to safety, then volunteered, creating an intelligence
Reply 1 - Posted by:
Ditto1958 9/3/2022 1:03:38 PM (No. 1267457)
A constitutional convention needs to be avoided like the plague. Period. Our constitution, along with the Bill of Rights, was almost perfect as drafted by the Framers. A convention would be worse for conservatism, and worse for America than Vatican II was for Catholicism.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
Kate318 9/3/2022 1:09:09 PM (No. 1267461)
Interesting find, OP. What strikes me is that DR. Malone, like the rest of us, has had his eyes opened over the last 2.5 years. I doubt he ever imagined he would be publishing articles about the JBS and Article V of the Constitution. As far as Article V, I’m a bit out of my depth, although I have read many different opinions, both for and against. I do know for a fact that “Constitutional Convention” and “Convention of the States” are two different things, but are often used interchangeably, either out of ignorance or for political agenda purposes. I believe Article V refers to COS.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Plex 9/3/2022 1:11:56 PM (No. 1267464)
The main reason to avoid a convention is that we have almost no statesmen just politicians. If you read Madison’s notes on the convention you will see a depth of analysis unknown with current politicians. Amendments by sound bytes would be a disaster.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
DVC 9/3/2022 1:25:56 PM (No. 1267479)
Lots of baloney being spread. here.
Read the words of our Constitution:
"...when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof"
NOTHING that would come out of any Article V Convention will have ANY validity, will become active in ANY WAY at all unless voted up by 3 out of 4 state legislatures. With 50 states, that works out to 37.5 states, so it must get 38 state legislatures to support ANY proposed amendments.
The very concept that a convention can just make up it's own rules and go off and do whatever they want is "backed up" by the first Constitutional Convention doing what they did.....but then these distorting authors conveniently neglect that the new constitution had NO FORCE AT ALL until it was voted upon and ratified by 100% of the original 13 states.
A lot of BS being pumped here. Suppose the convention goes entirely off the rails and proposes some real disaster of a whole new constitution rather than it's legally permitted AMENDMENTS? What happens? Nothing at all happens unless 38 state legislatures approve it. Not likely to have a radical change if 38 state legislatures, most controlled by Repubs have to vote it up.
Hell, they never could get the damned Equal Rights Amendment to get 3/4 of the state legislatures to pass it, and it died, passing the deadline for ratification.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
DVC 9/3/2022 1:26:35 PM (No. 1267480)
stopping italics. Sorry for the error.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
DVC 9/3/2022 1:28:12 PM (No. 1267481)
Using fear to keep us from using our only remaining weapon against the Deep State.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
Judy W. 9/3/2022 1:30:15 PM (No. 1267483)
Malone's subhead summarizes it all: "Is this country ready to open Pandora's box?" In case you've forgotten the Greek myth, Pandora was given a box she was told contained gifts from the gods, but she was forbidden to open it. Out of curiosity she disobeyed and opened it, and all the pains and troubles and illnesses of the world flew out and could never be put back in.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
Citoyen 9/3/2022 1:34:54 PM (No. 1267485)
Meanwhile Democrat politicians and judges are altering the Constitution continuously. The purpose of the Convention of the States is to propose amendments that address various weak points and holes in the Constitution. Considering that 3/4 of the states would have to approve any amendment it is extremely unlikely that this country would go off the rails. We are off the rails right now. The John Birch Society has been instrumental in preventing a Convention of the States and should be condemned for its harmful obstruction. Mark Levin has written an excellent book about the Convention of the States and also some proposed amendments. The framers put this provision in the Constitution for a reason. Obviously I trust them far more than the John Birch Society.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
Urgent Fury 9/3/2022 1:42:32 PM (No. 1267491)
Oh enough with this pipe dream. Nobody can come up with anything doable?
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
MDConservative 9/3/2022 2:23:39 PM (No. 1267512)
This all is sheer silliness. If our current Constitution cannot contain the “Deep State”, what effect is a revised Constitution going to have. Think the entire government will be fired, replaced by suddenly virtuous officials? Think again. As FPDT discovered, running a business is entirely different than heading a government. And for those fans who’d like to make everyone in government “fireable”, you may want to look up “patronage” and its use in American politics.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
bpl40 9/3/2022 2:38:43 PM (No. 1267520)
The Interstate System was built for $300 billion by an Executive Order from Pres. Eisenhower. Put it to Congress today it has no chance. There is simply no do over. The Constitution is one of them wise to leave it untouched. The Founding Fathers have provide for change when circumstances justify it. Just use that.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
Mcscow sailor 9/3/2022 3:53:05 PM (No. 1267537)
Ref poster 11…the highway assistance bill of 1956 is what kicked off construction funding if the interstate highways.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
DVC 9/3/2022 3:56:30 PM (No. 1267539)
Re #11, you say, "The Founding Fathers have provide for change when circumstances justify it.\"
The Article V convention of states to propose amendments is exactly what you say.....where our founding fathers provided for change....and NOT originated in the Congress, but originated by the people.
Other than who writes the PROPOSED amendment, Congress or the states via their delegates, the amendment process is entirely identical. If the states propose an amendment which is a stinker, it will not get 38 state legislatures to support it. If they come up with a real improvement, like a hard requirement to have a balanced budget, that could pass 38 state legislatures.
So much misinformation and disinformation being put out there about this process. All of what the John Birch writer wrote was conjecture and supposition. The clear words of the Constitution are not complex at all. It is just an alternate route to get good language in a PROPOSED amendment, nothing more.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
Citoyen 9/3/2022 6:25:37 PM (No. 1267635)
#10, Our Constitution cannot contain the Deep State primarily because such an entity wasn't addressed in it. I have read some proposed amendments and at least one puts a halt to Congress writing vague laws then allowing the bureaucracy to implement the rules. Posters here are constantly asking for Congressional term limits. That will never happen unless the states write an amendment that does impose term limits. Congress will never, ever propose an amendment that would affect its members. So it is actually "sheer silliness" to sneer at and discard a Constitutional process to get this country back on a coherent path.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
MissMann 9/3/2022 7:21:48 PM (No. 1267680)
Nothing UNTIL we have our voting system secured. The only protection we have over a Constitutional Convention gone wild is the requirement to vote for its results. If that vote is as vulnerable to theft as we have seen, kiss your rights goodbye!
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No way on this earth do I want the current members of the swamp in congress or at the state level touching our constitution. No. Way. We all know that the urge to fiddle and 'update' the constitution will be too strong and tempting for them to not do it. I would rather take the jab than deal with our nation having an article V convention, and I do not ever plan on taking the jab.
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