History: Russia, Germany, England, Poland
Meaning In History,
by
Mark Wauck
Original Article
Posted By: Judy W.,
5/13/2022 7:00:48 AM
Commenter KK’s impassioned defense of Russia against the (to him) “blind hatred” of Poles got me thinking. I’ve been doing some reading lately regarding the path to perpetual war in Europe—after all, the current conflict in Ukraine can arguably be seen as simply the continuation of a civilizational crisis in the West that first took military form in the Napoleonic wars. Certainly the inevitable centrality of Russia to Western Europe’s future can be dated at least that far back. What is different about this dynamic since WW2 is the overwhelming presence of the United States in the equation.
Just a short while ago I came across this interesting thread.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
Bur Oak 5/13/2022 7:38:33 AM (No. 1153928)
Fighting has been going on in the Ukraine area longer than people have been writing history. The US needs to stay out of it.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
Highlander 5/13/2022 7:49:17 AM (No. 1153942)
A fascinating read.
I saw Chamberlain in a different light here. He wasn’t just a delusional peacenik willing to avoid war at all costs, but was looking at the Soviet Union as the 800-pound gorilla nobody but himself saw. He feared the Russians, under Stalin, more than he feared the Germans; like one dog being bigger and more vicious than the other.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
jeffkinnh 5/13/2022 7:53:32 AM (No. 1153947)
While I can agree that there were many dynamics surrounding the different personalities, this is just one possible historical view, not necessarily a correct one. Chamberlain's INTENTION may have been to remove Hitler's reason for invading Czechoslovakia, and it did work temporarily, but that doesn't mean it wasn't appeasement. Obviously, Hitler was going to get the war he wanted, no matter what.
The Allied powers were trying to avoid war. That meant they had to deal with Hitler to defuse the situation. They totally misread that Hitler's REAL objective was war, not the piddling reasons he used for a pretext. Throwing Hitler a bone WAS appeasement.
The rest of the author's support of Russia having justification is also wrong. Russia is the aggressor. No one is invading Russia. Yes, other states are developing resources and capabilities and that could be an economic threat to Russia. Rather than ramping up their economic capabilities, they are waging war. THIS has been the history of the Soviet Union/Russia. Fighting instead of the needed economic development. It's the outmoded thinking of the Russian leaders, especially when facing the fighting capabilities of the modern world which the Russians cannot match. They are being halted by Ukraine, which has limited warfare capabilities. Imagine them fighting with the modern US military or NATO. They simply do not have a modern military or enough capacity. They have chosen the type of fight that they cannot win. They could have used their natural resource sales to fund economic development. Instead, Putin has enriched himself. He has now put himself in a corner and has no way out.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
bpl40 5/13/2022 8:44:15 AM (No. 1153988)
It is not enough to just 'stay out of' Ukraine (even that part being thoroughly botched by the current regime). In world affairs it is important to. exploit a situation (especially an unexpected one) to your benefit. A smart thing would have been to assure Russia that Ukraine would never be offered NATO membership in return for certain key concessions by Russia and compromises by the West. Russia acceding to NATO membership for Sweden, various guarantees of continuing energy supplies for Europe could be some of those things. Now the whole thing is big train wreck. Don't know if even a returning Trump could resolve it.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
JimJr 5/13/2022 9:40:03 AM (No. 1154046)
One needs to go farther back into WWI to set the stage global geopolitics. Despite the disastrous conditions for the Russians on the eastern front, It was a massive tax on German men and resources. With little hope of causing the Russians to sue for a separate peace militarily, the Germans came up with a plan to knock Russia out of the war politically. Calling on their ally Austria-Hungry, they had Vladimir Lenin take from prison and secretly transported to St. Petersburg. This ploy worked with first the "Winter Revolution" which caused the Czar to abdicate and Russia to sue for peace. With men and supplies freed from the Eastern front, the overall goal of the German plan would have probably worked if the U.S. had not entered the war on the side of France and the U.K. Then Versailles. Thanks guys for screwing over the world..
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
MDConservative 5/13/2022 10:15:00 AM (No. 1154080)
While Russia is the aggressor, with no one invading Russia. The US can look back over the past 60 years and find itself in Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Kuwait, Iraq and Afghanistan, among others. The US today finds itself at the border with crack troops at the ready in Romania. NATO is looking for a you-and-him-fight with Russia they couldn't chance on their own after years of effete military self-depletion. And we're dumb enough to try finding justification for involvement. There is none - neither the US nor NATO is threatened by invasion by Russia.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
DVC 5/13/2022 10:57:29 AM (No. 1154126)
The Poles have great historical and factual reasons to hate the Russians, and the Germans.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
DVC 5/13/2022 11:41:12 AM (No. 1154185)
Certain posters are so predictable.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
JackBurton 5/13/2022 1:02:52 PM (No. 1154249)
First of all, while it's true, as above posters have commented, that the U.S. has gotten sucked into conflicts around the world, it is WRONG to say that it was anything like Russia entering the Ukraine. Russia took part of Georgia. Russia took Crimea. Russia re-wrote the border with Poland and stole the Silesia area. The U.S. has not done anything like that.
Speaking of which, since Putin is unpredictable, land grabbing, and nuke armed... he IS more dangerous than Stalin and Hitler.
The history of the maneuvers between England and Germany and Russia are interesting and new to me. That part of the article was great. I can't figure out how Churchill wasn't part of it...
With all that said: Russia is right to invade the Ukraine? No.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Dino Sayer 5/13/2022 1:38:40 PM (No. 1154277)
Russia is afraid of NATO so it is justified in murdering thousands of Ukrainians and chopping up and stealing their country? What planet are you living on?
Putin thought the Ukrainians were going to invade Russia?
The Russian people, with their support of this crazed politician, are ultimately responsible for this murderous paranoid campaign.
And the dim witted apologists for Russia are partly responsible for the next one.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
LC Chihuahua 5/13/2022 2:52:20 PM (No. 1154356)
Stalin used Germany (and Hitler) as a buffer against anything the West would do to stop him. Hitler attacked everyone. Eventually he attacked Russia too. Why did Hitler attack Russia? It would have been easier for him to wage war on one front instead of two. Did Hitler fear Russia was preparing to attack Germany?
Russia did not join with the allies until later. It's clear Russia was not on the same page as Britain, France, and the United States. Hitler used that to his advantage.
Don't blame Poland. They were attacked by Germany and then Russia.
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Agree with the author or not, you gotta like his writing style.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
Timber Queen 5/13/2022 3:49:33 PM (No. 1154427)
The elephant in the room that no one is talking about is the World Economic Forum and their desired Great Reset. Putin has categorically refused the Woke Culture of abortion, gay and trans "rights", and attacks on the West's Judaeo-Christian religious values. NATO is owned by the WEF and for the last 15 years has been increasing its membership to include almost the whole of Europe. Take a look at a map of NATO countries, where US "defensive" weapons can/are deployed and you can see the stealth buildup against Russia. Putin recognized the threat against his country, both culturally and militarily, when corrupt Ukraine became a wholly-owned subsidiary of Uniparty Global Inc.
My heart goes out to the Ukrainian people. The local populations always pay the price when elites play global power games. However, the WEF is the villain here and should be the enemy of all freedom loving people. At this point Putin seems to be the only world leader that is willing to defend his country and Western Civilization from the new totalitarians. For that he has my moral support - whatever its worth in the grand scheme of things.
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This has two parts -- first, Wauck's countercultural opinions on current Ukraine-Russia-Poland affairs, and second, someone else's very interesting thread on WWII matters -- the Munich agreement and the Hitler-Stalin pact.