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Did Russia just give up on seizing Kiev?

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Posted By: Dreadnought, 3/25/2022 3:08:15 PM

Day 29 of the war brings major news: The face-saving retreat may have begun. Remember that Putin’s goals when the invasion began were nothing less than the “denazification” and “demilitarization” of Ukraine. That was code for liquidating Zelensky’s government, installing a Russian puppet regime, and disarming the Ukrainian military so that insurgents wouldn’t threaten the new status quo. This was to be a war of conquest, designed to settle the question of whether Russians and Ukrainians were separate nations. They were not, according to Putin. They were one people. Russia’s “special military operation” would make that clear.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Dreadnought 3/25/2022 3:09:44 PM (No. 1109947)
The Pentagon has just stated that the Russians have lost partial control of Kherson (which Ukraine says is not yet true.) And, it's also being reported this morning that Biden went back on his campaign promise to never consider the use of first strike nuclear capability under certain circumstances. He reluctantly reaffirmed long standing US nuclear policy.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Dino Sayer 3/25/2022 3:20:45 PM (No. 1109956)
The only way to “de-nazify” Ukraine is to kill all the Russian invaders, who have exactly followed Hitler’s methods of invading and slaughtering his neighbor hood states. Unfortunately for the Russians, this is exactly what is happening to them. Ukraine is fighting like a NATO country already, without NATO’s help so far. If the Russians do not quickly withdraw, their remaining cohesiveness will collapse. and Russian troops will be left in small groups around Ukraine, to be eliminated to the last person by rightfully angered Ukraine militia. They won’t just be killing tanks and helicopters and artillery. I feel sorrow for the Russian soldiers. I hope that some of them go home and remove the last Tsar of Russia, Putin.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: MindMadeUp 3/25/2022 3:29:39 PM (No. 1109967)
We cannot go by what the Pentagon and Ukraine claim to be true. Dark clouds of propaganda cover the horizon.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: DVC 3/25/2022 3:41:45 PM (No. 1109980)
Suddenly the Russians are announcing that they "never intended to seize Kiev and Kharkiv"?? Really? If this is correct, this is amazing. Talk about revisionism. And is this a head fake? Say you don't plan to do it while rearming and resupplying for a big push? Only time will tell. It's impossible to know what is real in the short term, but over almost a month, the Russians have made very little progress in the north and NE, have consolidated the gains made since 2014 by their proxy troops in the SE, and moved perhaps 30-40 miles north of Crimea. Frankly, not a lot to show for a hell of a lot of destroyed armored vehicles. Significant, but smaller, numbers of armored vehicles were "soft kills" which have been repaired and those tanks are now fighting for Ukraine. Knock a tread off of a tank in heavy fighting, and the crew is forced to abandon it, a "mobility kill" or "soft kill". Then a Ukrainian crew can repair the suspension/wheel as needed, replace the track and have a tank to repaint in Ukrainian colors and use against the Russians. I have seen videos many of these vehicles being towed back to Ukrainian repair depots, and a few that were intact but without a tread, and which the officer being interviewed said "We will repair and use this tank". I saw one where apparently some farmers were able to repair a captured tank and were driving it to turn in to the Ukrainian army, laughing all the way. I'll withhold judgement at this point, but if this turn out to be true, stunning. Maybe baloney, maybe not. We'll wait and see.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: WhamDBambam 3/25/2022 5:14:38 PM (No. 1110032)
I’m kinda hopin’ they’ll seize Brandon…
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Omen55 3/25/2022 5:58:11 PM (No. 1110061)
Yeah. It's all going according to Vlad's master plan. Amazing!
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Reply 7 - Posted by: smokincol 3/25/2022 6:42:42 PM (No. 1110100)
if the Russkies are advancing in the opposite direction, now would be the best time to unleash those Polish MIG-29's and bomb and strafe every inch of their strategic advancement
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Reply 8 - Posted by: lftrn97 3/25/2022 6:44:08 PM (No. 1110103)
No. If they're talking they're lying.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: Rubinski 3/25/2022 9:03:49 PM (No. 1110165)
Believe at your own risk any information. I recommend you seek out Tom Luango and read the information he has put together. According to Luango, Putin and Russia are methodically turning Ukraine into a meat grinder with a 1000 mile front the UAF cannot possibly keep supplied. The initial attack by Russia was designed to knock out logistics behind UAF lines and make it all but impossible for the cells of Ukrainian forces to support each other without ceding large amounts of territory, if they could even get out from under Russian fire control. Russia holds the cards.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Thos Weatherby 3/25/2022 9:14:37 PM (No. 1110172)
Russia never wanted the Ukraine. Just want to get rid of the BioLabs, Nazi's and the Tunnels. And hopefully stopped the next variant from being released.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: DVC 3/25/2022 9:35:16 PM (No. 1110189)
The problem with that theory, #9, is that there are about 43 million Ukrainians. Lets say half are male, so that's 21.5 million, and maybe 10% are under 21, and maybe another 30% are over 60 and probably can't be effective soldiers. That leaves 60% of 21.5 million which is 12.9 million. If only a bit over 1/3 of them actually fight, that's still about 4.5 million folks out actively killing Russians. The other 8+ million will be helping them out with gear, food, etc. Actually a lot of the over-60 crowd will be useful in those jobs, too. Compare that to whatever army that Putin can put together. At this point there are apparently somewhere between 120,000 and 150,000 Russian troops deployed. Typically, "trigger pullers" make up about 20-40% of a combat force, the rest are logistical troops of various kinds, cooks, mechanics, truck drivers, etc. Let's be generous to the Russians, and say 50%. If even 50% of the Russian troops are active in combat arms, that's about 60-75K max, actually fighting. 75,000 Russian combat troops against 4,500,000 Ukrainian fighters.....if the Russians manage to kill/wound 10 Ukrainians for every Russian killed/wounded, the Russians lose 100% of their forces and the Ukrainians lose 17% of their forces. In reality, a combat unit that loses 30% (killed and wounded) is considered "combat ineffective" and has to be pulled out of combat to replacing losses. So, if the Ukrainians can kill or wound 30% of 75,000 troops, or about 22,500, even if they lose a more believable 5 times as many Ukrainians killed and wounded, the Russians lose and the Ukrainians win, albeit with 112,500 killed and wounded. This is under 1% of available 'fighting age male' Ukrainians, so it seems horrific but sustainable for Ukraine. The numbers don't work for the Russians, any way that I can see it. And with the huge numbers of one-man tank killing weapons systems on the battlefield, that bodes ill for the Russians. Perhaps things are actually going wonderfully for Russia and terriblly for Ukraine, but I can't see how the numbers can work out. This is why invading a country that is filled with patriots is a very, very dangerous thing. The Germans discovered this first hand when they invaded Russia in the 1940s. The Germans killed a hell of a lot of Russians, but in the end, no matter how effective they were, they were overwhelmed. And since the Ukrainians have no designs on Russia, and so need only to fight them to a standstill in Ukraine, not counterattack into Russia, and then just chip away at them endlessly.....which side is that "meat grinder" really on?
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