Why Wind and Solar Energy Are Doomed to Failure
Power Line,
by
John Hinderaker
Original Article
Posted By: Dreadnought,
4/25/2021 12:40:56 AM
Wind and solar energy are both essentially obsolete technologies. There is a reason why only the very rich or the very adventurous sail across oceans: the wind is unreliable, and at best produces relatively little energy. Nevertheless, liberals have concocted fantasies whereby all of our electricity, or perhaps our entire economy, will be powered by those fickle sources.
There are a number of reasons why this will never happen, but a paper published last week by Center of the American Experiment argues that land use constraints are the most basic reason why wind and solar are inexorably destined to fail. The paper, titled Not In Our Backyard, is authored by
If you are a high rise maven, have you ever seen a windmill ?
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
DVC 4/25/2021 12:46:36 AM (No. 766282)
FTA:
"Green” energy holds political sway, which has made a relative handful of people (largely non-Americans and lobbyists) immensely wealthy, while impoverishing utility rate payers and taxpayers–that is to say, the rest of us. This insanity will continue until voters wise up, or–more likely, I am afraid–until the laws of physics, along with land use and raw materials constraints, make it blindingly obvious that the “green dream” is just that. A nightmare."
How long before people decide to start sabotaging these eyesores and financial nightmares?
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Proud Texan 4/25/2021 12:48:14 AM (No. 766285)
"Green" energy isn't just about CO2. It is more about controlling which of us gets to use it, and which of us gets to freeze and fry.
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stablemoney 4/25/2021 12:50:00 AM (No. 766286)
Texas went 25% wind and we gotten frozen, and swindled. Now, the fix is $8.3B on a dozen new natural gas power plants. We need to demand reparations from the left for this fiasco.
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Newtsche 4/25/2021 12:50:28 AM (No. 766287)
Chimeric "sustainable" energy will not support an advanced society but neither will totalitarian leftism but just stop with the carping, you're harshing my buzz.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
WV.Hillbilly 4/25/2021 12:59:05 AM (No. 766299)
Voodoo energy can never meet the needs of the baseload.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
Trigger2 4/25/2021 1:52:22 AM (No. 766315)
I live in rural NY. There's windmills around me and as a result I have no migratory birds. I used to see flocks of 30 or more robins each spring. This year I only saw 3 spread out over 5 weeks. The windmills chop them up.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
DVC 4/25/2021 2:01:17 AM (No. 766318)
Someone needs to sue the windmill companies about killing all the birds. Endangered Species Act has shut down a million other things. Let's get some good out of it.
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phosita 4/25/2021 2:13:03 AM (No. 766326)
The central argument in the article is that renewables such as wind and solar will fail given the enormous amount of land that must be used/acquired. The author relies on the argument that localities will reject such notions for a variety of reasons. The author, however, never considers that rural localities will simply have no say in the matter. If you still think that your rural hinterland exerts any control, you have not been paying attention. They have ceded everything to D.C. Your state/county/municipal governing authorities are just sock puppets.
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coyote 4/25/2021 3:29:52 AM (No. 766332)
The chart in this article says 10 watts per square meter for solar, the figure I've read from a source i trust, is 50 watts per meter when the sun is directly overhead in a desert. Of course it is 0 watts at night, or when it's raining. This at a time when nuclear could be advanced, as in Thorium reactors. No high pressure containment buildings for them, and much less waste.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
John C 4/25/2021 6:05:35 AM (No. 766347)
Our phony president just ordered 100,00 electric cars while the idiot president of Ford is going to make nothing but electric. She should be fired.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
Flyball Dogs 4/25/2021 6:23:52 AM (No. 766354)
Lost in all the noise is He controls the weather.
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KatieJo 4/25/2021 7:36:46 AM (No. 766385)
Excellent article OP, good illustrations of the differences in power sources and the lunacy of the "green movement". I've tucked it away to share.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
erobot 4/25/2021 8:08:15 AM (No. 766411)
Duh! Because they don't work, of course.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
homefry 4/25/2021 8:13:26 AM (No. 766414)
Windmills were OK back in the days when they were only used to pump water, people just use too much energy nowdays in their homes for them to work well. AC, TVs, electric ranges, electric clothes dryers, none of these were hooked to the old windmills. We have simply outgrown windmills. Liberal dogs say they want PROGRESS, but here they go back centuries and say this is the way to do it.
PLUS these modern windmills are bird killers. I think I have also read reports of higher than normal cases of cancers around these wind farms.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
Bazi 4/25/2021 8:19:27 AM (No. 766418)
Never once did I buy a hideous toxic curly mercury CFL bulb. There was no concern about toxic CFL bulbs in our landfills. Currently, there is no concern about the heavy metals in electric car batteries: How the metals are mined and how the batteries are disposed. Eventually, wind turbine blades wear out and need to be buried in landfills, because for the most part, they can't be recycled. Short article here https://www.wind-watch.org/news/2021/03/16/the-tragedy-of-wind-turbine-blade-disposal/ Oh....plastic straws have been banned in many places, but what about the gazilion disposable face masks...half of which are dropped on sidewalks and on parking lots. "Saving the planet" is one big communist lie.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
franq 4/25/2021 8:19:31 AM (No. 766419)
It's all going to come crashing down. Sooner rather than later.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
udanja99 4/25/2021 8:34:58 AM (No. 766428)
#16, there’s a reason why the greenies are called “watermelons” and you just nailed it.
A short personal anecdote about the efficiency for solar power...3 years ago I was on a business trip to Australia and took some time off to be a tourist. I went to Ayer’s Rock which is in the middle of the “red center” of the country, so called because of the red colored sand of the desert there. There’s a small community near the rock which is made up of 3 or so hotels with a few restaurants and shops and not much else, all clustered together.
This is in the desert where it was 105 degrees in early spring when I was there and where they have cloudless skies about 355 days a year. They have massive solar fields and you would think that all of those panels could power the entire resort community. But they don’t. They only provide about 25% of the power. The rest is trucked in in tankers - “fossil fuels” trucked hundreds of miles into the desert in vehicles using “fossil fuels”.
My, how eco-friendly. And useless.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
Avikingman 4/25/2021 8:59:55 AM (No. 766449)
Years ago in liberal MA, the unions built a few windmills for "free" as demos. That should have been the tip off. Sadly these bird blenders sully the waters off Cape Cod and Nantucket. Not to mention navigation hazards. And they're not up to the task. Thus we have no mention made of the cost of back ups for these obscene "farms".
We are a nation adrift in favors and gimmees.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
LLAMA 4/25/2021 9:09:51 AM (No. 766456)
This article is correct and the data is compelling. The fatal flaw in the Green New Deal (one of them) is the horrendous environmental damage both to the land and to wildlife. The leftists could care less about the excessive cost, but a huge part of their movement is the environmental community - and once they wake up to this issue there will be a "hue and cry".
I disagree with #9, that local governments, and especially state governments, will be powerless to stop the idiocy. There is such a thing as civil disobedience. And witness the in progress movement, with local sheriffs and state governors who "just say no."
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gone2pot 4/25/2021 9:17:48 AM (No. 766471)
I got our wind power disaster failure for you and it's been a shining example of wind power failure for decades. One word: Tehachapi.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
red1066 4/25/2021 9:44:24 AM (No. 766489)
Windmills are cute in Holland, but they're huge and take up a lot of land. I was flying to Denver last year, and we flew over an area that was just covered with windmills. Don't know what state we were flying over, but there were hundreds of these things, with roads leading to each windmill.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
Dodge Boy 4/25/2021 9:52:14 AM (No. 766494)
Hinderaker makes an ok attempt at highlighting the myths of wind and solar power. Missing from his piece are some other key points:
1. The service life of a wind-power turbine is generally limited to 20 years at which time the generating unit must be replaced.
2. There is also the myth that wind-power turbines bring a net zero carbon footprint. False. The parts contained in a turbine including the blades requires considerable energy to manufacture. This carbon "spend" is not completely recovered by the time the turbine and blades fulfill their service life.
3. Wildlife mortalities including endangered species which are killed by the turbine blades is a significant crisis.
4. Wind powered turbines only operate at about 30% of their generating capacity because the wind does not blow hard 100 percent of the time.
5. Remember what happened to the wind-powered turbines in Texas back in February? The blades iced up from the freezing rain and the turbines were shut down as unusable.
6. Wind and solar power serve as a lever by the left to achieve more political control over the masses. Remember covid19?
7. Then there is solar power. How many places are there in America where it is sunny 100 percent of the time? And solar panels have a much shorter service life than wind-powered turbines do.
8. And a note to the lefties - guess where the materials have to come from in order to construct wind and solar powered systems? MINING. Lots of mining. You know, the industry you want gone yesterday? Have a nice day lefties.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
Historybuff 4/25/2021 9:58:28 AM (No. 766504)
When someone pushes windmills on me I always ask “are the windmill factories powered by windmills?” I get a blank look. The only thing of the alt energy people that is steady and reliable is tidal turbines. Since the tide is reliable the energy is so too. But there is no lobby for them.
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Rumblehog 4/25/2021 10:01:15 AM (No. 766506)
Watch Michael Moore's documentary about the green energy scam and see what all is going on. Leftist billionaires gamed the system and used the green-weenies as useful idiots to make them ultra-rich.
Windmills are hideous monstrosities that pollute the landscape. No true American can say they belong on our hills and pastures.
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SkeezerMcGee 4/25/2021 10:01:45 AM (No. 766507)
"But any attempt to construct 240,000 more miles of high-voltage wires will, like the wind turbines themselves, encounter local opposition that likely will make such an effort impossible."
WRONG! If these laws are passed the feds will easily find a way to get around local opposition.
"As a result of such concerns, rural communities across America–hundreds of them–have risen up to oppose wind turbine developments. These efforts have largely been successful."
Not going forward. AOC and her crazies will absolutely crush opposition. No local opposition is going to stand in their way.
These people are fanatics. Republicans MUST get control of the House of Representatives in 2022.
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lennon47 4/25/2021 10:06:09 AM (No. 766511)
John Hinderaker, you are a racist! Since your opinion is common sense and does not agree with the left they will call you a racist.
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
Zigrid 4/25/2021 10:13:38 AM (No. 766524)
Solar and wind isn't about the global warming issues... it's about power and control and taxpayer's dollars... this winter Texas learned about the failures of wind farms... and solar panels frozen with snow and ice proved that WE had best rely on fuel to heat our homes and cool our structures... I don't see any solar panels on the capitol building...now why do you suppose that's the case?
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udanja99 4/25/2021 10:14:31 AM (No. 766525)
#22, that might have been Indiana. There is a section of the state, north of Indianapolis, which is full of them. I have driven a stretch of I65 many times which goes right through there and all you can see on either side of the highway is those windmills going off, row upon row, into the distance.
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
Speedypetey 4/25/2021 10:20:14 AM (No. 766533)
A few fun facts about solar panels and wind. #1 solar cells degrade after 5 years the power output diminishes by a few percent every year until they are no longer generating enough power to be integrated. #2 the service life of a windmill is 25 years and this is based on the calculated stress the mast can withstand over time. The payback is well over 30 years at continental U.S. rates so most farms are never paid for without taxpayer bailouts called "incentives". The exception is Hawaii, Guam, Puerto Rico where bunker oil $ kw/hour are high and windmill payback was 10 years. #3 Ask those that work in the electric utilities and they will tell you they rarely sync the renewables to their grid, the exception is Texas. Windspeeds and sun (clouds or snow) cause fluctuations that on some days are too extreme to control the grid. I believe they still pay the coop or whatever wealthy group of investors own them for the kw/hr but they do not sync for fear of a cascade. Again there are exceptions like the constant trade winds of Hawaii and there was Texas until they went from woke to woke up.
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snowoutlaw 4/25/2021 10:32:18 AM (No. 766543)
Wind only blows enough in a few places like passes and shore lines for windmills to work at best most days. Same for solar not everyplace produces enough to even pay for the installations. Its not like this information is new, I was taught in the 1970s that the land area needed for solar was impossibly large to make any sense for anything but places where there was no power grid.
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Krause 4/25/2021 10:40:35 AM (No. 766555)
Don't underestimate AOC. She are a college graduate, and she has the benefit of years of expert opinions from her bar patrons..
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jacksin5 4/25/2021 10:51:21 AM (No. 766563)
A quick comment about windmills. They don't turn if the windspeed is too low, they are also shut down if the windspeed is too high. Independent Senator Angus King was on the board of a company called First Wind, which erected windmills all over the western mountains of Maine. The windmills sit idle most of the time, due to windspeeds incompatible with power generation.
But everyone gets paid due to Government handouts.
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paral04 4/25/2021 11:01:59 AM (No. 766569)
Not to mention that the new high velocity wind mills are killing off millions of birds because the high velocity rotation of the bladed makes them invisible to the naked eye. Birds are flying into them. Where are all the animal loving Greenies on this?
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Mike6 4/25/2021 11:03:14 AM (No. 766571)
Wind energy is a Democrat damnation.
On the way to Palm Springs, you see thousands of wind turbines along the highway.
Most of them are not working.
They kill bird and scare cows.
They are a huge eye sore and nothing more!
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Reply 36 - Posted by:
envirodude 4/25/2021 11:40:07 AM (No. 766616)
Revelation says there will be a time in the future when the wind will quit blowing (7:1) and the sun will quit shining (8:12). I have often wondered about the significance, only to see that the left, who loathe G-d will be humbled when they put their faith in their technology.
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DVC 4/25/2021 11:47:39 AM (No. 766620)
#21, I have friends at Mojave in the aircraft business and have been going to Mohave since the 80s, and have a personal connection there from birth.
In any case, yep, I have watched at least three generations of windmills abandoned and rotting in the Tehachapi Pass area over the last 40 years. Last time I was through there was a couple of years ago, and nobody had cleaned up the ones from the 80s and 90s, all the old dead windmills still just sitting there, slowly rotting.
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Reply 38 - Posted by:
DVC 4/25/2021 12:02:20 PM (No. 766625)
#30, I don't know where you got your "solar cells degrade" story, and perhaps it is true of some kind of cells. But I have had roof top solar cells providing all the (very limited) electrical power for a remote Colorado mountain cabin since the mid 90s. Cells put out the same peak power today, near as I can measure, as they did when I got them USED, after they were scrapped from a large tax-scam solar farm in Cali from the late 80s, sold off for salvage after the tax credits ran out.
So my cells have been in use since they were made in the middle 80s and put out the same today as they did in the middle 90s, within a few percent possible measuring error. Perhaps some newer type of cells degrade more rapidly. Some cells are literally a few atoms of silicon deposited on a metal substrate, and I could see that type being less time stable, but mine are 'old tech' sawn slices of pure silicon single crystals grown from a vat very slowly. That type seems to last well. But many today are polycrystalline, and ultra thin film....I cannot speak to their long term durability. It could easily be less than thicker monocrystal 'old tech' type which typically cost a lot more.
But still expensive power (although less so) and VERY intermittent. I have a moderate sized battery bank and we only use very limited electricity, not even enough power available to pump from my well, just enough to pump from a storage tank, and provide lights and the sat TV. All other loads, including refrigeration are either propane or wood (heat). Solar is just adequate for a small cabin bare essentials, not a sane choice for a modern city lifestyle at all.
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Reply 39 - Posted by:
rikkitikki 4/25/2021 2:34:19 PM (No. 766770)
What would happen to a solar-powered electric grid if just one 'Tambora' sized volcano clouded out the sun for a year or more (as happened in 1815...do a search on "Year without a summer.")?
I'm guessing the collective output of solar cells worldwide would be cut by at least half...
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NotaBene 4/25/2021 2:34:22 PM (No. 766771)
I parked neat a turbine in the Mosel valley, Germany. The low pitched sound is unbearable to the human ear. No surprise Germany is going for Russian Nordstream II natural gas.
Trump was Great on energy dominance. Pity for US the Deep State stole the election.
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Thos Weatherby 4/25/2021 4:28:24 PM (No. 766858)
You can look right here in Texas. When the freeze hit, both Solar and Wind failed. It was natural gas and gasoline that saved many lives that would have been lost. And we're over 33% wind and solar. Good read and fight Global Warming. Before we freeze to death.
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Reply 42 - Posted by:
Lawsy0 4/25/2021 5:13:51 PM (No. 766876)
Because we ain't God! That's the short answer.
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Reply 43 - Posted by:
web 4/25/2021 7:15:34 PM (No. 766940)
The Green Left doesn't care one bit about the birds and other environmental damage from solar and windmills. Just as they (and everyone else, it seems) have completely ignored the total garbage dump created on the Southern border by illegal aliens crossing and dumping their trash. The only people cleaning it up are ordinary Americans volunteering to pick it up. Certainly not the government or any of the green groups. They just ignore it, along with the MSM, who never, ever mention it. The agenda and the Narrative are all that matters.
There may be a high tech energy solution, such as some type of nuclear or free wireless transmission of energy, such as that envisioned by Tesla, but we will probably never see it, because it would be too CHEAP or free, and they can't have that. As it stands, the only ones really winning on this are the Chinese, who mine and sell the rare minerals needed for batteries, wind power, and solar. What do we get? Ugly vast fields of solar and wind power that fail when we need them most, and the constant whining and political pressure of leftists who insist they are Green, but hate both humanity and carbon, upon which all life is based. Without CO2 the earth is not green, but lifeless and unfruitful.
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If you want wind power, take a look at Maxine "Wigs" Waters. She flaps her lips, and the flatulence comes out.
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