Nasa's rover makes breathable oxygen on Mars
BBC,
by
Jonathan Amos
Original Article
Posted By: tech_test_test,
4/22/2021 9:26:58 AM
It's the second successful technology demonstration on the mission, which flew a mini-helicopter on Monday.
The oxygen generation was performed by a toaster-sized unit in the rover called Moxie - the Mars Oxygen In-Situ Resource Utilization Experiment.
It made 5 grams of the gas - equivalent to what an astronaut at Mars would need to breathe for roughly 10 minutes.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
GO3 4/22/2021 10:10:57 AM (No. 763329)
Question to aerodynamics types out there: How do the blades of the helicopter get enough bite in an atmosphere of 1 percent of ours to enable the thing to fly?
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
red1066 4/22/2021 10:26:05 AM (No. 763366)
We may need that oxygen generator here on earth according to the climate change nut jobs. As for the helicopter #1, notice just how large those blades are in relation to the size of the object that needed to be lifted.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
petrichor 4/22/2021 10:28:47 AM (No. 763372)
If this is creating carbon monoxide in the process that might not be the best solution, but it's still incredible. Maybe a future version can create chocolate.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
padiva 4/22/2021 10:44:23 AM (No. 763397)
Red Rover, Red Rover, send Maxine Waters over.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Lawsy0 4/22/2021 10:44:41 AM (No. 763398)
I love the name! MOXIE may not resonate with people under 40.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
rockeysroomie 4/22/2021 11:05:15 AM (No. 763424)
Excellent! But can it brew a keg of beer?
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
Catherine 4/22/2021 11:27:44 AM (No. 763452)
I still don't know why anyone wants to go there. Seems an awful waste of money to me.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
Jesuslover54 4/22/2021 11:46:00 AM (No. 763478)
Next up: Bring back 8-track tapes.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
DVC 4/22/2021 11:51:07 AM (No. 763485)
And all you need is unlimited electrical power and an unlimited budget. Water is still a huge problem.
The idea of living on Mars, other than like living in the space station with everything shipped in, is a ridiculous dream. Mars will never be a hospitable environment for humans on the surface. The biggest fundamental problem is that the atmosphere is almost non-existent, the pressure equal to the pressure on Earth at 115,000 ft. Too high for aircraft to fly. And the atmosphere is 95% carbon dioxide, which is a deadly concentration for humans and animals.
Plus the surface temperature averages -80F, and the poles reach almost -200F. Since dry ice (frozen carbon dioxide) freezes at about -110F, the 'polar ice caps' on Mars are carbon dioxide snow (dry ice), not water snow. The atmosphere is freezing out in flakes and falling to the ground.
The folks that dream of "colonizing Mars" are denying the facts of the situation. The only real chance to have enough electrical power would be to ship in some sort of a nuclear reactor, which is incredibly heavy, incredibly expensive and has a very finite life of the core, to provide the power to make air, make water. Solar panels are about 60% as capable on Mars as on Earth, farther from the Sun. And dust rapidly diminishes that power output with time.
MAKE not find or refine or separate air and water. Make from scratch. And where does the hydrogen come from on a planet with too little gravity to hang onto gases in the atmosphere? Mars' atmosphere has mostly leaked away into space over time. Hydrogen very rare in Mars, measured at less than 0.001%. This means that even making water will be very difficult, because you can't make water without two hydrogens for every oxygen.
Mars is not an even remotely "livable" planet. Only for short periods with huge amounts of outside support can people survive there. Survive, not live.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
AmericaYes 4/22/2021 11:53:27 AM (No. 763487)
If we can convert CO2 to oxygen on Mars, why not do it here and solve the carbon emissions problem? The answer is the goal not to solve a bogus carbon problem; the goal is to destroy the USA economy.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
DVC 4/22/2021 12:46:14 PM (No. 763569)
#10, there is absolutely no difficulty at all converting atmospheric carbon dioxide into carbon and oxygen here on Earth, that is trivial, chemically. But it costs money. Who pays for this fool's errand?
But since carbon dioxide only makes up only 0.04% of our atmosphere, it is entirely irrelevant to try to spend huge amounts of money converting this rare gas. And the world's volcanoes are currently spewing out huge quantities of CO2 every day, and will continue forever, regardless of anything humans do. 'Spit in the ocean' is the old saying.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
hershey 4/22/2021 12:49:52 PM (No. 763576)
They just love their acronyms don't they???
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
Strike3 4/22/2021 1:02:22 PM (No. 763595)
Mars is the only reason that we need NASA. People get tired spending billions of dollars to look at boring moon dust. It turns out that "Muslim Outreach" simply means building mosques for them.
#1 they haven't told you but the helicopter is using the anti-gravity technology that we stole from crashed UFOs. They need to test it far away in case it causes planets to explode.
Seriously, the thing only weighs four pounds and has two wide four-foot blades which get it up to three meters in the air. There must be just enough atmosphere to accomplish that.
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It's certainly true that humans can't live on Mars like they do on Earth: 1% of Earth's atmospheric pressure at the surface; what atmosphere there is - isn't breathable; and there's deadly radiation on the surface due to Mars not having a protective magnetic field.
However, underground habitation could be constructed (no more radiation problems) and significant amounts of water have been discovered beneath the surface that could be used in closed ecosystems. Heck, if there's enough water, Mars could even be turned into a big gas-station-in-the-sky for spaceships traveling to Earth, the Moon, and the Asteroid Belt. There are untold riches out there.
Obozo did everything he could to try to kill NASA. Like all would-be dictators, he wants to keep all his peasants on his plantation (Earth). However, the next steps in spaceflight will come from free enterprise, not the government.
SpaceX, in particular, has plans all that go out to Mars and beyond:
https://www.spacex.com/human-spaceflight/mars/index.html
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