Grizzly bears are set to be reintroduced
to Washington state, after years of debate
NBC News,
by
Evan Bush
Original Article
Posted By: NorthernDog,
4/29/2024 2:20:47 PM
Grizzly bears will be reintroduced to Washington state’s North Cascades mountain range, the federal government said this week — a decision that followed years of bitterly divided debate. But it may still be years before the creatures step foot in the remote and rugged landscape, given that the complicated process requires trapping, trucking and moving bears by helicopter from British Columbia or northwestern Montana. “There’s a lot to be done before we could even come up with a timeline,” said Jason Ransom, a wildlife biologist at North Cascades National Park. “For a project like this to be successful, it’s really
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Reply 1 - Posted by:
DVC 4/29/2024 2:29:22 PM (No. 1708412)
They should start with Green Park in Seattle.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
Proud Texan 4/29/2024 2:41:29 PM (No. 1708420)
I was going to say they need to release the grizzly bears near large cities so the "conservationists) there can protect them. Looks like #1 knows the geography and I support him 100% on this.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Jesuslover54 4/29/2024 3:02:13 PM (No. 1708431)
Scat full of hiker whistles and Swiss army knives.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
Rumblehog 4/29/2024 3:08:47 PM (No. 1708436)
"What could possibly go wrong?"
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Rand Al'Thor 4/29/2024 3:27:22 PM (No. 1708440)
The tree huggers will learn you don't have to outrun the grizzly bear ("A grizzly bear is capable of reaching speeds of up to 35 mph, according to the National Wildlife Federation"). You just have to outrun the tree hugger next to you.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
Hazymac 4/29/2024 3:54:09 PM (No. 1708456)
They'll eat you, you know.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
OhioNick 4/29/2024 4:08:28 PM (No. 1708460)
About 20 years ago, I hit a bear with my car on a warm June night here in Ohio. The crash bent the frame of my big Oldsmobile.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
seamusm 4/29/2024 4:18:48 PM (No. 1708462)
What makes anyone believe they aren't there already?
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
chumley 4/29/2024 4:18:56 PM (No. 1708463)
Encountered several in Alaska. Like many other critters up there, they will kill you without breaking a sweat. Best to avoid surprising them and especially avoid their cubs. And have a heavy caliber rifle just in case.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
DanvilleBill 4/29/2024 4:46:30 PM (No. 1708473)
The article closes with this quote from a person who identifies himself as a conservationist:
“It gives a chance for people and bears to get used to each other in a place we haven’t had them for several decades.”
How insightful. Getting to know a grizzly while you're out hiking in the Cascades wilderness. Maybe, if you're lucky, Mr. Grizzly will get to know you even better by inviting you back to the den where you can meet Mrs. Grizzly and her cute little cubs. You can even get to stay for dinner....which will be YOU, of course.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
Historybuff 4/29/2024 4:54:28 PM (No. 1708478)
Some days you eat the bear, some times the bear eats you.
When you are in a grizzly or polar bear neighborhood you are NOT the top of the food chain.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
DVC 4/29/2024 4:56:05 PM (No. 1708481)
Re #10. When I am in country where I don't really expect to run into grizz but might, I carry a .44 mag handgun, which I am very proficient with. In any area where the likelihood of running into a griz, my lever action Marlin .45-70 with heavy bullets is my choice. I have killed zebra and wildebeeste with this with one shot, should work for a big bear, too. I know several people who have killed them with the heavy bullet loaded .45-70 Marlins.
Most griz attacks are 'territorial', like "Hey, you are in my territory, I'm going to teach you a lesson."....but "a lesson" for another bear will be likely to kill us. You may survive this by curling up, protecting your neck in a tight fetal position. Some fraction of attacks are predatory, and they bear intends to kill you and eat you.
You better be armed and skilled in those cases, because nothing short of killing or crippling the bear will keep you alive.
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DVC 4/29/2024 4:58:26 PM (No. 1708482)
Excuse me....that's Green Lake Park, I walked around there about 50 years ago with some grad student friends from the local university. A perfect place...lots of eco freaks walk there, should provide plenty of food for the bear, that and their dogs.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
DVC 4/29/2024 4:59:45 PM (No. 1708484)
Here you go, IDEAL grizzly habitat.
https://www.seattle.gov/parks/allparks/green-lake-park
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
LC Chihuahua 4/29/2024 5:01:39 PM (No. 1708485)
Tree huggers looking to be bear huggers. Do bears really hug? Good luck! You will need it.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
DVC 4/29/2024 5:04:24 PM (No. 1708487)
So, convenient for all the Seattle grizzly lovers to stop by and see these magnificent creatures.
https://www.theurbanist.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Green-Lake-Paving-Map.png
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
Hazymac 4/29/2024 5:10:12 PM (No. 1708489)
Top ten guns in bear country fro Alaskan Ballistics:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQzmYGVTrgg
Good list, everything from pistol to rifle. I would prefer the Glock 10mm with sixteen rounds of hardcast solid ammo on board. Ted Nugent has a Glock 20. My mailman has a Glock 40 (10 mm, longer barrel) with which he hunts feral hogs at night. Florida has a lot of feral hogs.
The .45-70 Government lever action rifle (Marlin or Henry) with +P 430 gr bullet loaded by Buffalo Bore will hurt to shoot, but not as much as the brown bear hurts when shot with that bullet. It will almost kick your shoulder off.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
Scribelus 4/29/2024 5:34:17 PM (No. 1708493)
Please run it by me once more: Why is this necessary?
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
seal010101 4/29/2024 5:39:43 PM (No. 1708496)
I was hoping they were going to release some in Washington, DC. Like inside the Capitol.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
Hazymac 4/29/2024 5:59:00 PM (No. 1708504)
Alaskan bear hunters, especially of Kodiak and coastal brown bears which can occasionally range up to 1,500-1,700#, use high powered rifles. A .375 H&H, the minimum legal caliber for rogue elephants in southern Africa, works well, and works at distance of maybe 400 meters, which is important if the hunter doesn't get a mortal shot. Bears can run 30+ for miles. We can't. But there are many big rifles that can handle a bear that large. Videos of bear hunts are abundant.
But the hunters with real stones stalk the bear with bow and arrow. The first shot has to count, or the hunter could be in some trouble. Some years ago Jack Brittingham put a broadhead into a huge Kodiak bear (20+ year old boar, well above 1,000#), which stood up on his hind legs like Godzilla before dying in a few minutes. Those broadheads'll kill ya. Quite impressive bear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfXRftiIDHk (Huge Kodiak brown bear with compound bow)
These expensive licensed hunts are strictly controlled by Alaskan authorities, and preferred targets are old boars that are ripe for harvesting, since they tend to eat sows' young, which is not to be encouraged. They also can grow to eleven feet and have really fine pelts. Like 1944 Papua New Guinean natives around a Biden, brown bears are cannibalistic. In some climes, bear meat is considered venison. In Alaska, natives like to eat bear meat and tan the skins so someone like Keith Moon can pose nude on them.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
Sandpiper 4/29/2024 5:59:07 PM (No. 1708505)
No. 18 asked the BEST question!
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
Sandpiper 4/29/2024 6:06:53 PM (No. 1708508)
No. 18 asked the BEST question!
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
Venturer 4/29/2024 6:18:41 PM (No. 1708514)
We didn't have any deer around here when I was a boy. So they introduced them. Now we are over run with them, last week I hit one and did $2,000 dollars damage to my truck. Now they have introduced Coyote's to kill off the deer. The deer are still here but cats and dogs are disappearing.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
DVC 4/29/2024 6:49:02 PM (No. 1708528)
My Marlin with a 405 gr hard cast bullet at 1750 feet per second velocity has stout recoil but not unmanageable. It will penetrate feet of bear or other game.
But, if a bear encounter is unlikely, I carry my .44 mag Smith & Wesson.. A bear in contact with that Glock will stop the slide from cycling. I can keep pulling the trigger no matter what the bear is doing to the gun on my revolver.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
formerNYer 4/29/2024 8:36:21 PM (No. 1708584)
Before releasing tyhey should train them to eat and attack anything wearin a blm shirt or biden for president button.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
hershey 4/29/2024 10:42:09 PM (No. 1708645)
Hmmm, if they are coming from Canada, do they all need passports????
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And all the Seattle "experts" said there was no solution for Seattle's homeless problem...
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
DiegoDude 4/30/2024 7:04:57 AM (No. 1708771)
And they roam quite far from where they're " introduced." Livwd in Montana for 33 yrs and I can attest to being surprised a few times with seeing bears in our yard or neighborhood. When they start breaking into your house with you inside is when things get interesting.
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Bears are awesome but the Grizzly can tear a man to shreds with one swipe of his paw.