Elon and Vivek Under Fire From the Right

Misleading headline. It’s about highly-skilled people from other countries coming in to meet the tech demands vital to our economy. I don’t care where they come from as long as they work, are pro-American, and equal opportunity capitalists. In my case, my urologist is from India and has kept me cancer-free. He has my gratitude.

I agree #1. It seems like the headline is more about stirring up controversy with Elon and Vivek.

Here are the issues: 1. If there weren't enough domestic tech workers, we wouldn't be training our foreign born replacements and getting laid off. I've been posting about this since Obama. Disney 2014. 2. If I walk into your office, are you gonna have your h1b engineer train me and then lay **him** off? 3. Tech billionaires want the cost of labor to be zero. They want the domestic workforce to compete against 3rd world workers, but they don't want to deal w the 3W infrastructure. 4. The blue collar workforce is next muchachos. You think Musk can't import foreign plumbers to work for $14/hour? Hey any roofers in the 15 million illegals that walked across the border who kept their noses clean and not prioritized to deport?

Long meander padded wirh quotes from others. Skip it.

Of course we have a dearth of talented engineers in the U.S. Look at the school system for starters, and our culture isn't exactly conducive to producing hard working individuals as much as in the past. It's more geared to producing social justice warriors, or other such tripe. If it's "legal" immigrants coming in to fill such positions since we as a nation aren't producing what's needed, what's the fuss about? I'm sure the Demonrats, Enemedia (actually the same as Demonrats), and Rinos will attempt to stir up as much controversy as possible for Elon and Vivek. This is NOT the only "controversy" which will be created by the commies amongst us.

nigh unto 200 years later, vivek would send us stumbling back through time to ... 'no irish need apply' . such are the powers of genius, gone down the primrose path.

Perhaps DOGE should take a cold hard look at the Education Department and ask them why they are not meeting America's education requirements. Americans are just as talented. Why aren't we producing our own engineering talent? Here's a hint: We are too busy dumbing people down.

My better half used to grouse about the quality of engineering graduates from the Ivy League. He said far too many were utterly dependent on their computers and had no common sense.

Food grief. You;d think PDJT was some impressionable greenhhon tjhat these twowold lead astray. He hasn't even been inauugurated yet. And he is knpwm for listenimg and then making up hhis OWN mind. Why do wej ump on headlines when we know that headline writers (not the authors) bang tnem ojt to attract clicks. I remembeer when decades ago a well known electronics company had to move some parts assembly to Mexico becase women tnere were so adept at aassembly under a microscope... Due to their using their hands since childhood for fine handwork.

You can't "make America great again" if you don't believe America's workers are great. Barack Obama began to lose white working class support when he foolishly echoed Steve Jobs' declaration that "The jobs are gone and they're not coming back." Donald Trump would be wise to avoid following another tech mogul down a similar path.

Just another indictment of the American educational system that has been run by the leftists going on six decades. Fix that, and that fixes most everything else.

H1B isn't just for technicians. In Maryland we need crab pickers and oyster shuckers and the usual suspects don't want to do it so we need H1 b workers.

FTA: "...noting that a dearth of engineering talent in Silicon Valley is holding up progress on some of America's most critical technological projects." This was very specific. Not the broad brush stroke that some seem to be using.

for what it is worth, my Irish ancestors came in as zero privilege farmers and began farming here. as far as I know there was no particular outside sign that they were brinigng genius with them. But they did. Their son graduated summa cum laude from Harvard. Since then dozens more at Harvard, innovation and good deeds.... This means to me that you can hire somebody great, but you really cannot guess what the family talent will be. I do not think immigration should be done as though we could pick the genius contributors out in advance, in a generations-long view. I do not think so....

The imports are cheaper. The imports are tied to their jobs by the visa unless they cleverly and quietly find another company with H1Bs available. (The savvy ones do.) The imports are more compliant. Bosses like that even if it means occasionally a shuttle burns up or an oil platform spews oil all over the ocean. If you flood the market with foreign workers, you increase the competition for every job. Lowering the cost of labor, a huge component of the cost structure in most businesses. The tech moguls know this and they like their money bundled in billions. How do you create the "shortage"? You advertise for talent in a hot market for that talent. You put up at a ridiculous number of "required" qualifications for the job and pair it with a ridiculously low salary. No one will apply. Then you run crying to your congressman about "no qualified Americans. I need more H1B visas." And then you assign the older, more expensive technical people to train the eager young foreigners who work much cheaper. And you offer an "early retirement" as the rumors float around that the next package will be mandatory and much less generous. Magic. You cut your costs and your bonus gets better. I have lived on the dark side. I have seen (and been part of) the techniques I described used. And I have seen the H1Bs deployed. To entry level jobs. At a lower salary. Definitely not "highly skilled" or "unique skill set". Same reason business likes "undocumented immigrants". Low paid, compliant, helpless before management's god-like power. As far as better - garbage. Better at self promotion, better at appearing awed by the pointy haired managers "brilliance". Definitely. I have managed cross-discipline teams of engineers and scientists at a company where the requirement was to hire the top grads from the top universities and found the key was leading as opposed to "managing". And mixed teams with Americans and H1Bs. The problem with American managers is they are as Dilbert once said "they are not good at knowing what they are not good at". They demotivate and demean. They don't match skill sets with the work. But they do know how to "manage" and their team's "TPS" reports are always on time. And if you want more/better US tech workers fix the garbage government schools. I haven't heard any brilliant cost cutting ideas from DOGE but here comes an idea that will add down feathers to the tech mogul's nest. How about those cost cutting ideas guys? Going down the H1B road this fast makes me wonder if I just got conned again. Maybe rename their effort "dodgy"? I forget which dodgy billionaire it was but I remember one of them crying in a hearing about the need for H1Bs because there was a critical shortage of American tech workers. I believe it was one of the politicians that pointed out an magazine article where the same billionaire was quoted bragging about "10,000 applications" for every job his company had available. Legal immigration? Sure. Harming Americans to give billionaires lower labor costs? Definitely not MAGA.

I'm sure both of these guys have experienced the challenge of finding American-educated and -trained, competent VHDL programmers.

Every H1B slot lowers the wage rates of everyone, with thousands of H1Bs pushing aside Americans for tech jobs the wage rate drops, so now its not as worth it to get the tech degree. Lower returns on the investment will reduce the number who invest the 100 grand or so to get a engineering degree. If a company had to Prove the job can't be filled by an American before hiring a H1B all they could prove is they need to up the pay of their offers.

There are different perspectives on this: Would any sane parent want their son to grow up to be a monster like Bill Gates?

Amen #11. I recently was on the FB page of a daughter of a teacher and granddaughter of two retired teachers. She graduated last year from high school and wants to be a realtor. I was shocked at the level of her education and word usage and punctuation ability. I could do better than that when I was in the third grade. But my education started in 1950 and there's the difference.

I grew up in an era when no really smart person wanted to be an engineer

Re #20 there was at least one, but he did not advertise it in school. Much later when I needed a structural engineer for an engineered wall to shore up a rain-ravaged hillside in Santa Barbara, Peter was recommended as the very best anywhere. A happy reunion after decades...