There was nothing redeeming in Pete Rose’s character
New York Post,
by
Phil Mushnick
Original Article
Posted By: Ida Lou Pino,
10/4/2024 9:30:22 AM
My only conversation with Pete Rose came in the early 1980s, when he was with the Phillies. And he started it. It was early April, a Friday night, and the Phils were to be on NBC’s “Game of the Week,” the next day. Some NBC public relations fellows were driving down to Philly for the game and asked if I’d like to join them. With our red media field-access credentials dangling from our belts, we watched batting practice from behind the cage. When Rose finished his swings, he walked over, eyed the press passes, then began to speak. Boy, did he.
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Reply 1 - Posted by:
Twinkle93 10/4/2024 9:44:11 AM (No. 1807339)
Mushnick should follow the old saying " if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all."
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
Kate318 10/4/2024 9:49:20 AM (No. 1807346)
That was a walk through the mud. The article says a lot about the person who writes it. I will admit I know nothing about Pete Rose, but neither does Phil, apparently. His accusations were all couched in “I presume” and “I suspect.” Here’s what I suspect, Phil: Your need to trash a dead man must come from the fact that Mr. Rose was a conservative.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
MrDeplorable 10/4/2024 10:00:29 AM (No. 1807356)
De mortuis nil nisi bonum.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
jalo1951 10/4/2024 10:03:33 AM (No. 1807362)
Isn't it as simple as he knew the rules, he crossed the line, he got caught, he paid the consequences? This has nothing to do with his baseball statistics or other character flaws. No one disputes his baseball abilities.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Highlander 10/4/2024 10:16:59 AM (No. 1807372)
Mushnick was certainly no fan of Charlie Hustle. Rose impressed me as being an arrogant jock, typical of many other professional athletes. A sixty-year old man has no business with any woman young enough to be his grand-daughter. There’s an “eww” factor there.
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downnout 10/4/2024 10:19:46 AM (No. 1807374)
Interesting. An article discussing the foibles of Rose and just below they have a picture of Snoop Dogg and his hosting gig on The Voice. Since when did this vulgar, f-word throwing creature become something anyone would watch?
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
Highlander 10/4/2024 10:22:48 AM (No. 1807378)
Reply 2;
Being a conservative doesn’t necessarily make one personally virtuous. It just means he votes correctly.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
cor-vet 10/4/2024 10:51:53 AM (No. 1807392)
The only thing that should matter regarding his entry into the baseball hall of fame, was what he did during his baseball career. I'm betting that if you dig deep enough, there are some other players of questionable character in the hall of fame.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
Foont 10/4/2024 11:11:22 AM (No. 1807399)
So Rose was an unpleasant man of questionable morals and poor taste. In the mold of say, Ty Cobb who was also an unpleasant man. But both played baseball at a level far above their peers and for that reason deserve hall of fame status. Babe Ruth was a glutton and boor but no one would say he was a rotten ball player for all that. I don't expect these athletes to be models of virtue and benevolence. Many of the jocks I have known were arrogant and dismissive of those around them and they tended to live as they wished with lilttle regard for others. Rose was a helluva ball player and earned respect for that if nothing else.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
stablemoney 10/4/2024 11:35:11 AM (No. 1807425)
I don't see models in much of the sports world. I do see many in the sports world merely suspended for bad behavior, rather than given life long sentences, as was the case for Rose. I think Rose should have been suspended for a period, or given a term sentence, not a forever condemnation. BTW, MLB can't talk much about the character of others, as their reputation is pretty low, around zero.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
Snow Possum 10/4/2024 11:47:09 AM (No. 1807437)
Rose knew the rules. He chose to break them.
End of conversation.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
snakeoil 10/4/2024 11:50:07 AM (No. 1807442)
Is baseball's Hall of Fame to honor the character of the players or their performance on the field?
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
kono 10/4/2024 12:11:11 PM (No. 1807462)
Never liked the Reds. And always considered Rose's flawed human nature to be impossible to hide.
But work ethic counts as part of strength of character, and Pete's work ethic was downright exemplary.
One commentator observed that Pete was given a lifetime ban from the HoF, and that he has served that sentence. He should be henceforth eligible for induction.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
hershey 10/4/2024 12:23:23 PM (No. 1807467)
I went to High School with Rose...we never ran in the same circles, he was a jock, I was not...that being said I can remember his entitled frame of mind from those days..as others have said, he was pushy then, he crossed the line and paid the price...
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
andyboy 10/4/2024 12:35:34 PM (No. 1807471)
What are the Hall of Fame criteria? Performance on the field? Or performance on the field plus character? If the latter, should we not take a second look at all the Hall of Famers who were alcoholics, drug users, adulterers, wife abusers, fraudsters, and/or convicts? Yes, Rose could be arrogant and disagreeable (so was Ty Cobb, they say). But his disqualifying "crime" was gambling -- not throwing games like the Black Sox, but betting on his own team to win. I guess that undermines baseball's credibility, because Rose might have tried to win on purpose, LOL. Yes, character counts -- but if that's a Hall of Fame criterion, apply it across the board and don't just single out Pete Rose.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
Newtsche 10/4/2024 12:46:39 PM (No. 1807476)
I've heard of Phil Mushnick but have not read him before.
I won't be reading his thoughts in the future.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
Red Ghost 10/4/2024 1:12:18 PM (No. 1807495)
Is this a member of the odious and corrupt press, judging someone else's professional and personal conduct? Say it ain't so.
Yo Mushnick, Whitey Ford, one of the greatest baseball players EVER, gave Pete Rose the moniker of Charlie Hustle. I'm sure being a member of the fat and corrupt press, your body and brain couldn't comprehend what that means, especially in the big leagues of professional sports. Yeah, Rose had his flaws, just like everyone else. But, it's how he played the game. It's what he accomplished. And man, that hustle showing what a human being could do when his brain couldn't comprehend limits. Lesser lights have been inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame. The guy's dead. Give him the honor. And what was your name again?
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
Kate318 10/4/2024 1:19:34 PM (No. 1807500)
Sanctimony noted, #7. Thanks.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
red1066 10/4/2024 2:10:24 PM (No. 1807526)
Seems to me, all of the records Rose achieved happened before his betting on games took place. Not having Rose in the Hall of Fame is a cheap shot considering past players history that have come to light.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
BeatleJeff 10/4/2024 4:28:15 PM (No. 1807580)
There was nothing redeeming about this article. Clearly, Mushnick is a male wannabe PIAPS who dumps all over people he doesn't like, and he clearly didn't like Rose. Those of us who followed Rose's career know he was no saint, but most people have some redeeming qualities, and yet to smear someone who has recently departed this existence and is no longer around to defend themselves is in and of itself deplorable.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
judy 10/4/2024 7:22:51 PM (No. 1807652)
He did one thing wrong …they disowned him….hmm the same people forgave a president for having an affair with an intern in the Oval Office ..
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
Venturer 10/4/2024 8:37:04 PM (No. 1807682)
Up yours Phil.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
chumley 10/4/2024 9:15:27 PM (No. 1807688)
I dont follow sports but remember him being a fixture when I lived in Dayton. Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? Beats me. Never been there.
I remember reading that Jeff Cooper was an insufferable jerk too, as well as Chris Kyle. Doesn't change their accomplishments.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
WV.Hillbilly 10/4/2024 11:40:14 PM (No. 1807723)
The Hall of Fame isn't for character. It's for playing ability and accomplishment.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
mifla 10/5/2024 3:49:53 AM (No. 1807770)
I could say the same thing about our current president, and he will still get his library and double pensions.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
5 handicap 10/5/2024 5:51:01 AM (No. 1807778)
Clutch your pearls elsewhere, Hypocrite...
There are others in the HOF with worse Community Records, Ty Cobb "par example!" His exclusion is about the personal animus of the Bartlett Giamatti and has NOTHING to do with baseball. What an Ass!
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The sob sisters and doofuses who bemoan Charlie Hustle's fate - - are the same type of airheads who supported Teddy Kennedy and Master B. Clinton. Strength of character means nothing to them.