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Ukraine and the Winter War, 1939-1940

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Posted By: 4250Luis, 7/6/2024 6:48:36 AM

In early World War II, on Nov. 30, 1939, a Soviet-Russian army invaded Finland in a surprise massive attack. The Finns were eventually outnumbered nearly 3 to 1. The population of the Soviet Union in 1940 was 50 times larger than that of Finland's. Finland's former anti-Soviet ally, Nazi Germany, had sold it out under the August 1939 Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, which made Germany and Russia de facto allies. Finland's other allies, particularly France and Britain, were slow in giving aid. Both were unsure whether Finland had any chance of survival. And they were further confused as to whether their archenemy Germany was friendly or hostile to Finland.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Strike3 7/6/2024 8:11:12 AM (No. 1750734)
Good analysis by VDH. Historically, it wasn't so much the Russian troops that achieved victory over most armies, it is the vast expanse of Russia and the brutal winter weather, as would-be invaders like Hitler and Napolean discovered. Ukraine could eventually come out of this costly war but are the deaths of thousands of people worth it? Russia is a hollow power with the old communist workers' admission still holding true today, "we pretend to work and they pretend to pay us." Their accomplishments do not measure up to their potential as we found out when Reagan won the Cold War. The central glue of Communism continues to fail.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Rumblehog 7/6/2024 9:12:49 AM (No. 1750797)
What a horrific mess a TV Comedian turned Politician hath wrought. Thanks to Vlad Zelenskyy, Ukraine has lost its entire infrastructure, most of its residential buildings, and, sadly, tens of thousands of military-age males. Vlad Z. wears his "olive-drabs," Fidel Castro style, as he lectures world leaders on how much money they must pay him to pursue his "tilt" against the "windmill" of Putin. It's only a matter of time before Ukrainians realize they've exchanged one dictator named, "Vlad" for another one named, "Vlad." They're now stuck with a miscalculating loser they can't rid themselves of democratically, via opposition party and a vote, both of which have been outlawed by "baby Fidel." Pretty soon one of his bodyguards might "go Roman" (Praetorian Guard like), finally opening the door to conflict resolution and Ukrainian leadership.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: NorthernDog 7/6/2024 9:41:26 AM (No. 1750822)
Z-Man is enjoying his political power too much to end the war. No free press, no elections, billions of dollars pouring in....
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Reply 4 - Posted by: felixcat 7/6/2024 10:42:44 AM (No. 1750885)
I presume that Carl Mannheim did not have a wife such as the one married to Zelensky who needs frequent shopping trips to Paris. And Carl Mannheim didn't have US State Department "advisors" whispering in his ears...
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Reply 5 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua 7/6/2024 11:30:47 AM (No. 1750929)
Some similarities and some differences with the two wars. Defensive wars seem to work better when fighting Russia. This isn't WW2. Europe is much more united against Russia. Ukraine is getting more aid than Finland did. Is Ukraine winning, losing, or in a stalemate with Russia? I think it has turned into a stalemate. The same happened with Finland. Russia could win either war, but the outcome is far from certain, and casualties would be very high leaving them weakened. A weakened Russia lead to a German invasion. Today, a weakened Russia would lead to a Muslim surgency. Putin also seems to fear internal division.
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