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Posted By: Dreadnought, 12/6/2023 12:59:10 AM

The Biden administration is demanding that Israel take even more extraordinary measures to avoid harming “innocent civilians” as it tries to eradicate Hamas. Around the world, politicians and others express dismay at the alleged number of innocent civilians who have been killed by Israeli bombardments, even while admitting that Hamas’s casualty numbers include its own terrorists, people killed by terrorists’ awol missiles, and so on. But my complaint is more fundamental. Watching videos of Israeli captives being paraded through Gaza, and seeing “civilians” spitting on them, hitting them, joyously celebrating their capture, I have asked: where are these innocent civilians we keep hearing about?

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Venturer 12/6/2023 1:03:12 AM (No. 1611355)
There are no innocents in Gaza.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: DVC 12/6/2023 1:33:22 AM (No. 1611370)
BINGO! I have been saying for a month....."Innocent Palestinian" and "Hamas terrorists" are the same thing. 80% or more support and assist, and APPLAUD the Hamas terrorists in their evil work. Don't waste time trying to distinguish something where category A and category B are IDENTICAL.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Jesuslover54 12/6/2023 2:38:09 AM (No. 1611372)
Biden just wants to kill Jews. This is just another way.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Trigger2 12/6/2023 2:48:24 AM (No. 1611375)
Very few are "innocent". They just love Hamas and absolutely hate all Jews.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: EJKrausJr 12/6/2023 5:23:05 AM (No. 1611406)
Hamas are the Palestinians. The Palestinians are Hamas. The Palestinians elected Hamas. Hamas represents the Palestinians. There are no innocent Palestinians. There are no innocent Hamas. It's not rocket science.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: 5 handicap 12/6/2023 5:44:29 AM (No. 1611413)
74% of the Palestinians voted to murder Israelis! SEVENTY FOUR percent... That my friends is a murderous populace and all deserve to die, a long slow painful death! The other 26% decided not to vote, why bother , their will was being done by the other 74.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: privateer 12/6/2023 6:18:26 AM (No. 1611428)
From the river to the sea, Gaza must be Pali-free.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: petrichor 12/6/2023 6:35:24 AM (No. 1611431)
I think Reply 6 needs to separate the Gaza residents from the rest of the "Palestinians". There are many reasonable people living in the West Bank.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: Bur Oak 12/6/2023 7:19:51 AM (No. 1611450)
Remember how the 'Palestinians' reacted to 911.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: JunkYardDog 12/6/2023 7:24:34 AM (No. 1611455)
I saw Muslims dancing for joy in the streets of Bay Ridge, Brooklyn on 9/11. Islam teaches the hatred of Jews from the time they can walk & talk. Their children's shows, the muslim equivalent of Blue's Clues & Barney, show how sweet looking young muslim girls instruct children that Jews are pigs with pictures and cartoons. Anti-Semitism is a huge part of Islamic culture, and Muslims ALL dream of a day when the caliphate is restored world-wide with everybody living under Sharia.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: FormerDem 12/6/2023 8:11:28 AM (No. 1611491)
Hamas kills the people who oppose it. It ties the behind motorcycles and drags the to death; it hangs them from electrical towers and then cuts off their legs. Under these circumstances, would you oppose them if trapped in Gaza? Would you tell your children they are stupid? People in the US (reasonably) fear getting on their telephones and saying they voted for Trump. How can you ask Gazans to say what they think? Some of the Gazans may be truly pro-Hamas but many are putting on a show to save their lives and ther children's. I see no way to count it up.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: jeffkinnh 12/6/2023 9:20:28 AM (No. 1611551)
Israel would have to be insane to allow such a rabid population to exist close enough to inflict damage measured as that of wild animals. Gaza should be stripped of "Palestinians". Send them to Iran where like minded creatures dwell. The problem for Israel is that they have historically suffered being displaced and are loath to inflict that on others. They have bent over backwards to spare the "Palestinians" that fate. For Israel's forbearance, they were inflicted with the Oct 7 massacre. It is now clear that it is impossible for the "Palestinians" to "coexist". Israel faces an existential treat from Gaza (and Lebanon) and it can never be free from that threat as long as a fanatical population exists on their border. There cannot be peace with the "Palestinians" living where they are. THAT is the reality.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Strike3 12/6/2023 9:24:30 AM (No. 1611556)
The IDF has been going full-bore for a couple of days now. Isn't it time for Hamas leadership to beg for another "pause" to exchange more hostages in another 3 for 1 deal? They will promise Joe to release one more American and he will send Blinken on another begging mission. Now that the tunnels will soon be taking in water I would think the rats still underground would be in a panic.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: DVC 12/6/2023 10:25:03 AM (No. 1611618)
Re #8....."there are many reasonable people living in Gaza" That's an interesting and bold claim. And may I politely ask, what is the basis for this bold assertion? Have you spent any time in Gaza? I have not, perhaps you have. Do you have friends or relatives there who aren't Palestinians or Hamas, just 'reasonable people' living in Gaza? No one else seems to find anyone there but Palestinians and Hamas, but perhaps there are a few others. But, please provide a link to some source material, I'm willing to read from a reliable source, which are sadly so rare in the region. It seems very odd that any 'reasonable person' would select a well known terrorist haven, and miserable economic backwater to live in, but perhaps there may be a few. If these people actually exist, I think it is time for them to recognize their error and select a new place to live. Gaza is going to be a war zone for quite some time, probably decades. Not a good place for reasonable people to live.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: udanja99 12/6/2023 10:42:41 AM (No. 1611647)
Everything I need to know about “innocent civilians” in Gaza, the West Bank, etc, I learned on September 11, 2001 when they danced in the streets and handed out candy to children in celebration.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: john56 12/6/2023 11:04:27 AM (No. 1611678)
There are over a thousand Palestinian Christians sheltering in three churches in Gaza. They know their lives are easily expendable by the Hamas butchers. Maybe there are some Gazans Muslims rightfully scared of the Hamas thugs, but I have no idea if you or the IDF could identify them woth any degree of certainty.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: JackBurton 12/6/2023 4:38:07 PM (No. 1611958)
#8.... read the article before posting. FTA: Some will say Gazans are afraid of Hamas and that is why we have not heard any condemnation from them, but the scenes we witnessed every evening when our kidnapped were being transferred to the Red Cross and the testimonies of those who have returned from captivity suggest otherwise. It’s clear that Hamas has massive support in Gaza: The frenzied crowd jeering and spitting on the abductees, the testimonies of Israeli children who say they were beaten by Gazans of all ages, and the demonstrations of joy and support for terrorists throughout Gaza testify to the cruelty of a populace that educates its children to hate Israel and is raising a new generation of terrorists and supporters of terrorism whose goal is the destruction of the State of Israel and all its citizens.
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