Liz Cheney’s Agony
American Thinker,
by
Richard McDonough
Original Article
Posted By: DW626,
8/23/2022 5:38:40 AM
When I was an undergraduate in the late 1960s, I underwent a kind of transformative experience during a classroom debate with another student that I believed I was clearly winning when the philosophy professor corrected me. He reminded me that when engaged in a philosophical debate, as opposed to the 9th grade Debating Challenge, the point is not simply to vanquish one’s opponent but to find the truth. In order to do the former one may use any means fair or foul to destroy the opponent. For the latter one must do the exact opposite and represent one’s opponent’s position in the strongest terms possible.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
5 handicap 8/23/2022 6:10:24 AM (No. 1256726)
FTA: "Instead of demonstrating that there is something wrong with Donald Trump she has unwittingly demonstrated that there is something wrong with Liz Cheney."
More clearly she has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is nothing "Right" with Liz Cheney!
Worthless garbage..Like her Father.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
FJB 2022 23 24 8/23/2022 6:20:53 AM (No. 1256727)
Liz Cheney is our agony. Pleases shut the hell up and go away!
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Rich323 8/23/2022 6:32:59 AM (No. 1256732)
By her actions, Liz Cheney has shown she is mentally unfit to hold office. Her delusional attitude and erratic statements make her unworthy of holding public trust.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
jeffkinnh 8/23/2022 6:35:04 AM (No. 1256734)
The article explains the difference of arguing as a "fight with words" to prove who is stronger vs. a "rational" argument to seek truth. It then shows how Liz is "fighting" with her words. Ipso facto, Liz Cheney is IRRATIONAL. This is clearly TRUE.
Further, this examination of purpose can be applied to most of the dem party. The dem party and its purposes are IRRATIONAL. They are using their strength through ownership of the bureaucracy and media to win the fight instead of seeking truth.
Note also that arguments can SEEK truth but may not FIND it. Thus Conservatives may err. But if you are dedicated to seeking truth, it is likely you will eventually find some vs. the irrational party whose only purpose is to overwhelm.
However, it is insufficient to merely SEEK. After vigorous discussion and arrival at a discovery of a truth, one must FIGHT to implement and preserve that truth. THAT is the difference between a Trump and most of the Republican party who espouse a truth and then gaze at their navels. Further, it is important to determine the IRRATIONAL group's sources of strength and undermine them to fight the lies they produce; another Trump strength.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
F15 Gork 8/23/2022 7:04:10 AM (No. 1256750)
Liz is cookoo. She’s like a a Buddhist monk sitting in the middle of the road with a can of gas and a Zippo lighter. Smoke ‘em if you’ve got ‘em Liz. Smoke ‘em if you’ve got ‘em.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
Lazyman 8/23/2022 7:08:40 AM (No. 1256753)
Dick Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Obama are the anti-Christs. This is what happens when you look at facts rather than judge based on loyalty to some moron party.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
Msquared112 8/23/2022 7:13:42 AM (No. 1256758)
She committed a common but amateur blunder equating correlation with causation: Trump made a speech, violence happened at the Capitol. For a logician, that is a major problem. She revealed her true nature (mean and duplicitous) and she revealed she is a hateful, vindictive person. What we have all learned is that Trump is the better man.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
Italiano 8/23/2022 7:22:31 AM (No. 1256769)
B followed A, therefore A caused B. No, sorry.
A lot of the piece was a bit "sophisticated," but I understood the conclusion, that she's nuts.
Won't it be a hoot to see how she reacts when Democrats discard her, as they will.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
Donna M 8/23/2022 8:39:04 AM (No. 1256833)
When I look at Liz Cheney, as an older woman, I see a picture of a woman who is displacing internal anger and unwellness onto Trump and all those who believe in what he does. Mr. O'Reilly only has part of it with Daddy issues. She's in her mid-50s, and that is a dangerous age for women mentally and physically. Your hormones are going wacky-dacky, physically you are changing, you're haunted with the impending loss of your parents. Maybe her marriage and kids (I've read she has 5!) aren't in good shape. (I noted that her concession in WY did not have hubby and kids with her). Maybe she is crying for her husband's attention. And her career has now run into a brick wall--can she even show her face in WY?
I agree with the writer--she is not rational anymore and her witch hunt may destroy the country. The anger comes from way deep and Trump (and us) are convenient targets. But as to her personally, she keeps on this track, she will implode in some spectacular way. Let me put it to you this way--if she came bursting out of the closet with a girlfriend, it wouldn't surprise me, because I've seen it happen. The best her family could do for her is an intervention, to get her emotional and physical help, like a retreat to get herself mentally and physically well, but I doubt she sees it that way.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Dodge Boy 8/23/2022 8:47:21 AM (No. 1256845)
All this, Lizzard, because President Trump didn't like your daddy's book and thought he did a lousy job when he was vp? And you've had your nose out of joint ever since? How small you are. So very small. Enjoy the suck, ma'am.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
bpl40 8/23/2022 9:45:47 AM (No. 1256905)
No, I don’t think she is stupid in the ordinary sense. She knows perfectly well Trump did not incite a riot on Jan 6. Like other Lefties she is lying for political advantage. That is evil.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
mc squared 8/23/2022 9:55:15 AM (No. 1256920)
There's an opening at CNN, Liz. Soon to be more.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
cor-vet 8/23/2022 10:05:55 AM (No. 1256941)
Now that she's been primaried, and is no longer relevant, I was hoping we wouldn't hear any more from/about her. Liz is now dead to me, a nothing burger, so to speak!
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
Twinkle93 8/23/2022 10:06:17 AM (No. 1256942)
In addition of her being dishonest, she has no gravitas.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
smokincol 8/23/2022 10:07:02 AM (No. 1256946)
"Liz Cheney’s Agony" - and may it never subside but only exponentially grow
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
GoodDeal 8/23/2022 10:21:16 AM (No. 1256962)
Liz has an extremely severe case of hopelessly incurable Trump Derangement Syndrome. Probably caught it from Daddy. It is progressive and fatal and leads to spiritual death and eternal hell. Plus I am sure she is an alcoholic with anger and resentment and a big bottle of vodka next to her.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
janjan 8/23/2022 10:43:56 AM (No. 1256998)
Poorly written article IMO. The writer is obviously trying to impress us with his scholarly explanations of philosophical debate. Ok.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
Zeek Wolfe 8/23/2022 10:56:57 AM (No. 1257012)
A fine dissertation on the mental instability of a person once secure in high office with references to classical
Greek thought. Ms Chaney would have done well to study the words of Marcus Aurelius, Sir Walter Raleigh or Confucius before the start of her crusade against Donald Trump.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
Zigrid 8/23/2022 11:05:18 AM (No. 1257020)
Lizzie cheney with an axe...gave the "Donald" endless verbal whacks...when she saw what she had done....she knew she could not ever have won....
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
MickTurn 8/23/2022 11:14:19 AM (No. 1257027)
Her Agony and her ecstasy...She only deserves the Agony.
Look at the Definition of ecstasy below, seems she is trapped in both items 2 and 3.
Obviously caused by low intellect and Hatred!
Definition of ecstasy
1: a state of overwhelming emotion
especially : rapturous delight
2: TRANCE
especially : a mystic or prophetic trance
3: a state of being beyond reason and self-control
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
mobyclik 8/23/2022 11:15:19 AM (No. 1257029)
Hildebeast II.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
NotaBene 8/23/2022 11:49:20 AM (No. 1257069)
Make their women cry. MAGA
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
pensom2 8/23/2022 12:40:37 PM (No. 1257099)
May a host of other RINOs in the Congress crash and burn just as Liz is doing.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
Mass Minority 8/23/2022 1:52:32 PM (No. 1257151)
In my debate classes in College, back when it was knowledge we were after, not indoctrination, the proffesor would pick the most divisive debate topics of the day and then he would pick the debate teams. He knew his students, if the debate were about some aspect of feminism, the most virulent feminists would be put on the against team and the most ardent traditionalists would end up defending the feminist position. THe reason was clear, you must be able to intimatey understand the oppositions ideas and positions in order to mount any kind of effective argument against them. It was an emotionally draining and frustrating class, being always forced to defend against positions you actually really believe in. But it was an important lesson, because in almost any debate both sides have valid arguments and that elusive truth is not the property of either side. It also taught that you ignore the oppositions position at your own peril. Every opposing side has valid arguments, and if you don't know them you will spend all your time reacting to the patent nonsense only to be blidsided by an argument you cannot neutralize without resorting to logical fallacies like ad hominem or refer to authority or whatever.
I have always remembered this class and what I see in todays debates is pure garbage. I have argued for years that conservatives have a much stronger position in any debate with a liberal, not because we are always right but because almost any conservative can rattle off most of the liberal and progressive arguments without thinking. Liberals rarely understand anything about the conservative position, only that it is categorically wrong and all the experts agree.
This is not because conservatives are any smarter or more logical than the left, some of our arguments are every bit as ridiculous and emotional as the lefts. It is because we are marinated in a constant drumbeat of the leftists arguments, 24 hours a day on every mainstream and cultural source of information or entertainment. Most conservatives could easily argue the lefts side (whether we believed it or not), because it is everywhere. The left can happily live their entire lives never once being exposed to a conservative viewpoint, they have absolutely no clue what we are talking about and not a single one could ever debate from the right side. This is why we are called stupid, irredeemable and all the rest. They simply cannot understand how anyone could think outside of the very narrow ideological window they are so completely marinated in.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
danu 8/23/2022 6:21:50 PM (No. 1257339)
#9--what dynamics are we looking at here?
is the lizard jealous of her lesbian sister, who has been seemingly kept in the background by the parents, b/c... power politics?
now there's no power or punitive politics left to wield ?
is this the issue w/ all these harridans-herliary, peloser, mrs. sickpence, mayors boowzer or leftfoot?
without vicious sadism in their lungs 24/7/365 , there's no oxygen for them to live and breathe?
just consenting to demonic possession?
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
harold2002 8/23/2022 7:38:30 PM (No. 1257381)
Too many people, including Liz Cheney, and conservatives insist on referring to the goings on at the Capitol on Jan.6 as a riot or insurrection. It was NOT either!!! And.....the only violence committed then was by a capitol police officer who killed Ashley Babbitt in cold blood and some others who beat a woman to death in a tunnel. No one has been charged in either case and there are still people sitting in a DC jail being denied bail or proper legal representation. Liz Cheney clearly cares not one iota about what really happened and about the Jan 6 political prisoners!
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