"Stupidity": Russian bloggers shocked
by fiasco on Donets River
Hot Air,
by
Allahpundit
Original Article
Posted By: Dreadnought,
5/17/2022 12:08:30 AM
Ed mentioned the rout on the river near Bilohorivka in a post last week but you can’t appreciate the magnitude of it until you see it.
The Russian army was attempting to cross the river on pontoon bridges, crowding dozens of armored vehicles manned by hundreds of troops near the riverbank in anticipation. The Ukrainians attacked, destroying the pontoons and leaving the Russians trapped.
The result was a turkey shoot unlike any seen in war in many years. The Institute for the Study of War estimates that some 550 Russians from 74th Motorized Rifle Brigade were involved in the operation and that close to 500 of them were killed or wounded.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
formerNYer 5/17/2022 12:19:52 AM (No. 1157509)
FTA: The UK estimates that after less than three months of fighting, Russia has lost a third of its combat force.
if that's true that devastating for the Russian army, economy and people. I'll wouldn't be surprised if Putin's cancer gets worse and you see very little of him shortly. I would say the Ukraine war is unwinnable for Russia and their only way of stopping Norway and Sweden from joining NATO would be nukes, which they won't use.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
SALady 5/17/2022 12:23:23 AM (No. 1157510)
Russian soldiers have never been any good (including WW-II). They have always been poorly trained, unmotivated, and massively drunk most of the time.
But there are a lot of them. That is the one advantage they have over any smaller country they decide to go to war against (including Germany in WW-II). They can lose men at 10:1 and just keep sending in more and more. Add advanced weaponry, and they can just wear down most enemies given enough time. This war is a few weeks old. Don't delude yourself into thinking Russia is anywhere close to losing this war (unless Putin goes down).
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
DVC 5/17/2022 12:35:20 AM (No. 1157514)
I spent some time looking at the videos and stills. The UK experts estimated that they destroyed an armored battalion. Give the number and different types of armored vehicles destroyed, that seems about right.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
DVC 5/17/2022 12:36:36 AM (No. 1157515)
Re #2, they can't do that anymore, very bad demographics in the Soviet times.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
PChristopher 5/17/2022 1:40:36 AM (No. 1157537)
I wonder if the Russian generals are as woke as ours....that would explain their incompetence.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
Trigger2 5/17/2022 4:12:20 AM (No. 1157561)
The Russians were wiped out in the past two attempts to cross the river. Stupid is doing the same thing for the third time. How incompetent must one be?
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
mifla 5/17/2022 4:15:50 AM (No. 1157564)
Don't be suprise if Putin dies on the operating table....
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
F15 Gork 5/17/2022 6:52:41 AM (No. 1157623)
Wonder how many Rooskie Generals have PCS’d to the Gulag?
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
philsner 5/17/2022 7:48:55 AM (No. 1157674)
Um, there is destroyed equipment on both sides of the river. You can only be "trapped" on one side.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Clinger 5/17/2022 8:27:38 AM (No. 1157701)
First this sounds like a complete success for "Ukrainian" intelligence, spotting the massing of equipment in time to meet the threat with overwhelming force. Who knows how they actually knew.
Second, If I went into a drunken stupor and woke up with a blistering headache as a Russian general how would I propose that the river crossing should have been done? I suppose the only things I have so far as I sober up, is to cross in multiple places all at the same time so that they couldn't effectively defend all places all at the same time and consolidate once the crossing was accomplished. Or, provide sufficient air support so that such a concentrated mass of resources wasn't a sitting duck Then again I prefer scotch so what do I know.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
smokincol 5/17/2022 8:40:03 AM (No. 1157719)
the Soviet Russian troop have got to be so demoralized because of the inefficiency of their leadership and the high fighting capability of the Ukrainian troops, the fact that the Soviets are fighting on Ukrainian territory has given the Soviets a distinct disadvantage while enhancing the advantage of the Ukrainians
this was a very bad plan from the very beginning although one good from this is, the nations who have given military aid to Ukraine are seeing just how well their material works in actual combat conditions, without having to fight a war themselves
the Soviets have proven to be embarrassingly ineffective in this conflict and if there weren't so many good young men dying, it would be comical
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
thomthomp 5/17/2022 9:37:11 AM (No. 1157786)
We are learning a lot about Russian military capability, and none of it good for the Russians. Leadership and morale are just as important in an army as numbers and equipment, maybe more so. Makes me wonder about OUR forces' capabilities under woke generals with an affirmative action officer corps. On the battlefield diversity is NOT your strength.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
Stencil 5/17/2022 11:15:43 AM (No. 1157882)
"If the Russians invade, it will be very quick and bloodless." Remember this from back in February?
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
DVC 5/17/2022 11:57:22 AM (No. 1157917)
Re #6, during WW2, Hitler ordered his generals to do some seriously stupid things, and they had to obey or be shot.
I suspect that the generals have been saying "It is suicide to try to cross this river under their artillery, we will be slaughter." And Putin says, YOU WILL do it, our your replacement will. Perhaps some of those generals didn't die "in battle" but weren't producing good enough results. Often totalitarian thugs who thing they are really smart (I think Putin fits that mold) order things on the battlefield that just cannot happen.
Stalin was famous for getting huge numbers of Russian troops killed in terribly foolish tactical moves, because he was in a hurry and didn't care the slightest about an additional 10,000 or 40,000 killed in his own troops. Putin has repeatedly said that he admires Stalin.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
MickTurn 5/17/2022 12:26:21 PM (No. 1157955)
And of course Putin WAS NOT in the front vehicle leading the charge...
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
DVC 5/17/2022 1:06:22 PM (No. 1158001)
My bet is that "The Donets River crossing" will go down in the history of military maneuvers as the perfect example of how NOT to cross a river with an armored battalion. Looks like a textbook example of "defending a river crossing", too.
Future military officers will study the moves of both sides, I will bet.
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