Decades of neglect leave IRS in tax season 'chaos'
New York Times,
by
Alan Rappeport
Original Article
Posted By: Ribicon,
3/5/2022 10:21:15 AM
Washington—At the Internal Revenue Service's sprawling Kansas City, Missouri, processing center, teams of clerks earning $15 per hour work through the night, trying to help the agency clear a backlog of more than 20 million tax returns that are a year overdue. The conditions are subpar: Scanners sputter, forcing workers to enter data by hand, staplers are scarce, and piles of tax documents overflow from carts. "The general theme for the time I've been there has been chaos," said Shawn Gunn, a clerk in the receipt and operations group at the IRS who started working at the facility in Kansas City in June and is transitioning to become
Reply 1 - Posted by:
jacksin5 3/5/2022 10:39:55 AM (No. 1090596)
Flat Tax is a solution.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
WhamDBambam 3/5/2022 10:42:34 AM (No. 1090600)
For two years in a row, they cashed the checks stapled to my tax return but claimed that they never got the return itself. Of course, you can't file electronically if they don't have your AGI from the "lost" tax returns, so we've begun communicating by certified mail.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
PrayerWarrior 3/5/2022 10:47:30 AM (No. 1090610)
One word. Lois Lerner.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
BeatleJeff 3/5/2022 10:53:31 AM (No. 1090619)
Advice from your friendly accountant: file as soon as possible and file using Turbo Tax or some similar program. I always do and have never had any issue getting my refund. In fact, I'm tying this response on the new laptop I bought out this year's refund.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Rich323 3/5/2022 10:57:13 AM (No. 1090625)
Democrats pocket all government funds targeted for upgrades by opening front companies run by them or friends (like Solyndra etc.) during the Obama shovel ready jobs scam. Any government program created by Democrats is a scam to get rich. Do you now see how these people come to DC broke and leave as millionaires.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
Deepthinker 3/5/2022 11:03:37 AM (No. 1090636)
As someone who is part of that "chaos" that has the NYT wringing their hands for the poor babies I can tell you that my part of the mess was IRS induced.
Under the absurd rules for AMT (Alternative Minimum Tax) You must file a second form 1116 to claim a foreign tax credit for money you have already paid to foreign governments in addition to the form 1116 you already filed to claim the credit for your regular taxes.
BUT, neither TurboTax nor the online tax return software provided on the IRS own site can produce this second foreign tax credit claim for AMT purposes, which is a required form. Both places just say too bad, so sad, you must file a paper return if you are subject to AMT and have foreign taxes paid.
So my 2020 return sits in a pile unprocessed because I cannot e-file and hence they sit on my refund
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
zephyrgirl 3/5/2022 11:04:54 AM (No. 1090638)
A flat tax will never be passed as it would throw thousands of accountants, lawyers and IRS employees into the unemployment line.
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Strike3 3/5/2022 11:06:31 AM (No. 1090642)
Too bad, they should have spent more money on staplers and competent workers instead of diversity hires and SWAT teams to break into the houses of the taxpayers that fund them. I intend to file on paper and at the last minute, as usual. Last year, my refund from April 15 showed up in friggin' September. You can't be a couple of days late in filing to them or the penalty and interest meter starts running. FIRS FJB.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
franq 3/5/2022 11:20:23 AM (No. 1090659)
We didn't get last year's return until November. Deplorable!
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
LadyVet 3/5/2022 11:22:23 AM (No. 1090665)
I note that the source of quotes about what the IRS needs is former IRS Commissioner Koskinen. This guy was Obama's man at the IRS covering up the Lois Lerner criminality. The mess at the IRS is what you get when you put the non-profit reporting people of the IRS in charge of the division processing returns of tax-paying individuals and businesses. The fact that MILLIONS of dollars was spent on facial recognition systems just goes to show how little wisdom there is at the IRS. They cannot protect Social Security numbers. Why in Hades would any taxpayer want to give them biometric data??
Who trusts the government not to use this data to track every move you make when you are recorded on Closed Circuit security cameras, on toll-road cameras? Remember, Lois Lerner gave info on 1.5 million taxpayers to the Obama White House. Don't you think Nancy Pelosi would use facial recognition data to track every person at a Trump rally? The FBI did this to people who went to the Jan 6 event in DC. When we see that the IRS can barely function, why should we think that they can protect our data? For cripe's sake, they gave a no-bid contract to Equifax right after Equifax had a huge security breach of their own.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
SweetPea3 3/5/2022 11:42:31 AM (No. 1090694)
EEOC Employer.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
judy 3/5/2022 11:52:49 AM (No. 1090706)
Reminds me of the PO…have you ever seen a government agency run efficiently???
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
volksford 3/5/2022 11:54:43 AM (No. 1090708)
Learn to code you incompetent pirates !
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
Ribicon 3/5/2022 11:55:21 AM (No. 1090711)
If your refund comes to you late, they pay interest (using our money to do so). Later you get a form noting that you were paid interest, which must be claimed as income on the next year's form, and you and the IRS have to track it all. That right there should be grounds for shutting the whole thing down.
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Bmoc 3/5/2022 11:56:14 AM (No. 1090713)
Re#2. Yep, I can relate. About the time L.com went live, I sent emails to the Clinton WH. I was not stupid enough to threaten or otherwise make remarks that would or could be taken 'the wrong way.' I merely expressed my disapproval of the things they were doing. Lo, and behold, I started getting notes that I hadn't filed my taxes for 1978 and 1983, and they grabbed my paycheck... five of them before I could prove them wrong. It happened again a few months later. No letters asking about it, just BAM! My check was taken. Again, it took me several weeks, but I got it stopped again.
Nothing happened during the Bush years, but four months into the Obama years, my check was grabbed on nine more occasions. Nothing happened under Trump, but ya already know where this is going. In September of 2021, they seized four straight Social Security checks. I finally got it stopped, but they about killed me between the criminals at the IRS and the criminals in the WH. They never called me, emailed me, or sent me a letter, but they sure knew how to take my money.
I barely had enough money to live, and eating became a luxury. When people asked me how I was losing weight so fast, I told them it was the Biden Tax & Spend Diet. I lost 45+ pounds in five months. I don't recommend it. You just know it will happen again because the leftist criminals are in charge.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
snowoutlaw 3/5/2022 11:57:22 AM (No. 1090714)
Have not had a refund in decades so my taxes always get processed in a couple days. Seems if you owe taxes the IRS is very organized.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
Highlander 3/5/2022 11:59:27 AM (No. 1090718)
For all the Augean chaos afflicting the nuts and bolts operation of the IRS, they sure got a lock on me, a retired teacher, who hardly qualifies as a high-value target.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
stablemoney 3/5/2022 12:13:03 PM (No. 1090737)
The IRS has a personnel problem, not a budget problem. Throwing more money at the same personnel will get the same results. Returns not processed did not appear as a problem before the IRS paid their personnel for staying home and not working, instead of coming to work and working under a supervisor tasked with getting the work done.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
Vaquero45 3/5/2022 12:14:46 PM (No. 1090741)
Funny thing.....I haven’t gotten a tax refund in 35 years. I always owe money when I file. And my return gets processed really fast, and they cash my check really quickly. I guess it’s refunds they’re slow about.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
Venturer 3/5/2022 12:25:51 PM (No. 1090753)
I asked my accountant if she would file electronically she said no, The IRS has already told them it won't make any difference it would be a while to get the refund either wy.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
WV.Hillbilly 3/5/2022 12:33:22 PM (No. 1090761)
That is a feature not a bug.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
DVC 3/5/2022 12:38:38 PM (No. 1090771)
Anything bad happening at IRS is a good thing for Americans.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
SALady 3/5/2022 12:44:32 PM (No. 1090780)
Has the NY Times-waster ever printed an editorial that didn't find some way to blame those mean old Republicans for all the ills of the world?!?!?!?
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
udanja99 3/5/2022 12:46:08 PM (No. 1090783)
Gee, that’s too bad.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
TJ54 3/5/2022 1:00:41 PM (No. 1090799)
Good
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
cor-vet 3/5/2022 3:29:11 PM (No. 1090905)
You can't waste money on staplers and supplies, when you need to arm up your tax militia! Ammo costs money!
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
GustoGrabber 3/5/2022 3:32:46 PM (No. 1090907)
9 9 9
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
caljeepgirl 3/5/2022 4:20:59 PM (No. 1090941)
I feel your pain, #2!
Moral of your story is NEVER, EVER STAPLE YOUR CHECK to the paper return!!!!!
When they say that, take them seriously. Just let it float around in your envelope....they'll find it, don't worry.
Problem seems to be not with their staplers, but with their staple-removers (imagine how THAT would gum up the works!)!
IRS is, at the very least, in serious need of a private enterprise takeover! [I'm still waiting for a refund from my amended TY2019 return.]
I only stick with paper 'cuz I don't need my financial info shared with the internet and/or the cloud.
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
hershey 3/5/2022 6:52:09 PM (No. 1091072)
Tax Return
What you made x %10 = What you owe...no fancy tax lawyers, stupid rules, overburdening paperwork, IRS agents kicking doors, no IRS agents changing rules for conservatives....just a, plain, simple, formula. Then all those overpaid tax lawyers would have to find a real job.
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
The Other Guy 3/5/2022 7:31:01 PM (No. 1091093)
Neither the flat tax nor the fair tax will ever become law. The tax code is basically a codified system of rewards and punishments. A carrot and stick approach used by congress to reward whatever group of voters they want to appease for whatever reason congress wants (usually votes). Conversely, it can be used to punish whatever group congress thinks needs punishment by increasing that groups tax burden. Congress will never voluntarily surrender that power.
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
ussjimmycarter 3/5/2022 7:58:37 PM (No. 1091119)
Bet their scanners are running 30 year old COBOL! But the Managers were highly paid!
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
doctorfixit 3/5/2022 11:39:35 PM (No. 1091250)
Get rid of the Income tax and the IRS. Of course this will first require getting rid of the GOP. Republicans are why we will never get tax reform.
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Reply 33 - Posted by:
mifla 3/6/2022 4:54:59 AM (No. 1091331)
Wonder what would happen if everyone decided not to file their 2021 return? Perhaps it would give the IRS a chance to catch up.
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This is one of the agencies that a true reformer would close down in the first week in office, as it produces nothing but drag on the economy and causes personal and business decisions to be made according to the ever-changing tax code rather than rational reasons. As described, they have 75,000 employees and want to hire more, they're completely inefficient, and just wasted $69 million on a system that would require facial scans of tax filers looking to access the system.