Fall of Afghanistan the fruits of years
of US miscalculations
New York Times,
by
David E. Sanger
&
Helene Cooper
Original Article
Posted By: Dreadnought,
8/16/2021 12:11:07 AM
US president Joe Biden’s top advisers concede they were stunned by the rapid collapse of the Afghan army in the face of an aggressive, well-planned offensive by the Taliban that now threatens Kabul, Afghanistan’s capital.
The past 20 years show they should not have been. If there is a consistent theme over two decades of war in Afghanistan, it is the overestimation of the results of the $83 billion the United States has spent since 2001 training and equipping the Afghan security forces and an underestimation of the brutal, wily strategy of the Taliban. The Pentagon issued dire warnings to Biden even before he took office
Reply 1 - Posted by:
texaspast 8/16/2021 12:14:15 AM (No. 880545)
Nope. It's all on Biden. There ain't enough lipstick in the world to paint that pig. ALL ON BIDEN.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
kono 8/16/2021 12:17:27 AM (No. 880546)
Yeah, they miscalculated the election totals last November. And now we've got the hare-brained strategy of "undo everything that Trump did, without considering the consequences."
16 people like this.
Reply 3 - Posted by:
HisHandmaiden 8/16/2021 12:19:16 AM (No. 880547)
Amazingly, from NYT...
Bittersweet.
MAGA
3 people like this.
Reply 4 - Posted by:
DVC 8/16/2021 12:28:39 AM (No. 880558)
I will NEVER be counseled on these treasonous, stupid, extreme leftist propagandists at NYT.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
qr4j 8/16/2021 12:50:14 AM (No. 880580)
To the NYT: Bull feathers! This is all Biden all the time. Didn’t have to be this way.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
bighambone 8/16/2021 1:13:04 AM (No. 880596)
What would Biden have done any different if Trump had not tried to negotiate with the Taliban leaders to set conditions in Afghanistan so the US could avoid further casualties and withdraw from Afghanistan in an orderly fashion? If Biden did not like the result of the Trump negotiation he could have tossed those negotiations out just as he did the Keystone Pipeline and Trump’s effective border policies.
Biden caused the current out of control situation in Afghanistan by unilaterally stating that Afghanistan was effectively on its own, and he was going to withdraw all US troops first by September 11, 2021 and then changed that date to August 31, 2021. Biden also allowed his “woke” Generals to surreptitiously have the US military to abandon Bagram airbase in the middle of the night, without alerting the Afghanistan Government and military. Those moves, and others by Biden that we don’t know about yet, you better believe cut the morale out from under the Afghan military that has been surrendering to the Taliban ever since. When half the Taliban fighters recently photographed these days are carrying US M-4 assault rifles you know that things in Afghanistan are not what they seemed to the esteemed US intelligence community.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
SALady 8/16/2021 1:26:12 AM (No. 880600)
As incompetent as they were, nothing like this happened under Bush or Ovomit.
And the Taliban were too busy fearing for their lives to do much under President Trump.
Nope, not-my-president Lyin' Joe biden, this is 100% on you!!!! Own it, you freakin' looser!!!!!
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
web 8/16/2021 3:35:21 AM (No. 880650)
The consistent theme since the Korean War has been our rules of engagement. Our wars are controlled by the politicians and lawyers, rather than the generals. We are no longer allowed to win wars, apparently. Can't blow up a mosque, even if muslims are firing from it. That might make muslims all around the world mad at us. In WWII we firebombed whole cities. Now our enemies hide themselves among civilians and we don't dare to fire on them.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
mifla 8/16/2021 4:52:57 AM (No. 880673)
You would think that after all these disasters, the country would never vote a Dem into office again. Sadly, I doubt it.
6 people like this.
Reply 10 - Posted by:
BarryNo 8/16/2021 5:02:02 AM (No. 880677)
You stupid ignoramous.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
franq 8/16/2021 5:58:10 AM (No. 880726)
Honestly, those wars were bungled worse than Vietnam, which is no mean feat. And Dubya was one of the founding fathers of it.
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There are only two ways to wage war and win:
Surgical strike, in and out at bad guys.
Complete and total destruction of society, down to the family unit, and rebuilding in the desired image.
Half measures to the second fail.
3 people like this.
Reply 13 - Posted by:
JackBurton 8/16/2021 8:41:21 AM (No. 880865)
You know, it's horrible what people there will go thru, have gone thru, but as I see this, it's hard not to conclude that some nations just aren't worth it. They're... poop holes.
We should go in for our own reasons. Accomplish them. Leave. And take everything with us.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
TCloud 8/16/2021 8:46:04 AM (No. 880869)
The Pius NYT knows nothing of winning nor losing and championed PC/WarLite. They will stay the hell out of my Fox Hole!
3 people like this.
Reply 15 - Posted by:
mc squared 8/16/2021 9:20:11 AM (No. 880909)
The buck stops somewhere else, right ex POTUS Johnson?
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
MickTurn 8/16/2021 11:39:57 AM (No. 881158)
In war the key objective is to KILL the ENEMY, ALL OF THEM...THEN sort out the remainder...
Thanks to our Woke Leaders they got many of our young killed then turned tail and RAN.
I was in Viet Nam, Same thing happened there.
I also had access to very sensitive info and without divulging any of it I can categorically say these wars are nothing but money makers for Crooks in Congress, Bureaucrats, Elites and Arms Mfr's. They get RICH we get SCREWED and stuck with the bill, while our young come home maimed and in caskets!
I call for a full Financial AUDIT to see where our money went to and then we get Ropes and after taking back everything stolen, we hang all of them!
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
JimBob 8/16/2021 3:25:55 PM (No. 881479)
The right-on-cue article from the New Yawk Slymes trying to divert the blame away from The HairSniffer and onto Presidents Trump and Bush. ('Funny', do they even mention Zero?)
The NYTimes transformed itself in to the Lyin' Slymes years ago.
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