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TV documentary about Seattle’s
homeless crisis sparks debate,
Portland comparisons

The Oregonian, by Kristi Turnquist

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Posted By:happywarrior, 3/21/2019 10:21:25 AM

It’s no news to anyone who lives on the West Coast that such cities as Portland, Seattle and San Francisco are in the midst of a homelessness crisis, and the issues that are associated with it. A recent TV documentary about the situation for our neighbor to the north takes a particularly grim view, as the title, “Seattle Is Dying,” may indicate. The hourlong special, which first aired on KOMO-TV in Seattle on Saturday, March 16, has prompted strong reactions from viewers who say “Seattle Is Dying” gets it right, and those who object to the

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: voxpopuli, 3/21/2019 10:28:52 AM     (No. 11937832)

"..homelessness crisis.."

White Guilt Crisis..

just need a few more incidents where a bum is trying to throw a woman over a bridge to straighten them out..


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Reply 2 - Posted by: dvc, 3/21/2019 10:33:27 AM     (No. 11937840)

When you subsidize something, you get a lot more of it. The left has been subsidizing being a bum for decades and decades, and now they have a lot more of it.

And, a big piece of the puzzle is that the "compassionate" left has closed down the mental institutions, in the largest part, and dumped those people out on the street. One of the big complaints about mental institutions was that the conditions in the institutions were "bad". OK, suppose they were "bad", however you want to define that term. Were they worse than those people live now? I seriously doubt it.

If welfare was cut off after a year, along with food stamps, if you were not actually working, a goodly portion of this problem would not exist. Add back the ability to involuntarily commit people to mental institutions more easily, and keep them there, and the problem would be a lot smaller.

But, we have always had bums, tramps, hobos, whatever the term for people who choose to live on the margins of society. But now we subsidize them, patronize them, so we have a whole lot more.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: dvc, 3/21/2019 10:42:30 AM     (No. 11937861)

Sorry for second post, but another root cause is the endless drumbeat of land use limitations, and rigid enforcement of zoning laws. This limits the use of land so that there is a shortage of homes and apartments, which drives up prices. This also makes it profitable to tear down tenements, and build more pleasant housing (at 20 times the rent) in its´ place.

The harsh reality is that there will always be some people who NEED very, very cheap housing. And it will not be "nice", it will not be modern or stylish. Get rid of all your ´run down tenements´ by whatever means and the people who need that very, very low cost housing, will live in a tent, or under a bush, or anywhere you LET THEM.

Run down, "miserable" housing may be unsightly, but it is needed.

And, if you build nice, new housing and give it to them, it will be a run down, ruined wreck in amazingly short order. Then in 15-20 years you can bulldoze it and build it all over again, and they will rapidly wreck it all over again.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: strike3, 3/21/2019 10:48:12 AM     (No. 11937868)

Keep this Homeless Utopia on the West Coast and we won´t get too worked up over it here in flyover country. Those people know that if they were to leave there they would be put to work in the fields picking corn. All the food they want and private campsites on soft ground too.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: peasantnumberthree, 3/21/2019 10:58:19 AM     (No. 11937897)

I think a lot of the homeless problem comes from overly-generous welfare/foodstamp laws (as was noted earlier), but a significant part of the problem comes from the removal laws for mandatory hospitalization of truly insane/addicted individuals.

Out here in California, a "51-50" (a crazy person that is a danger to themselves or others) can only be locked up for 36 hours. After that, they walk - free to continue doing whatever they were doing before they got locked up.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: bad-hair, 3/21/2019 11:09:34 AM     (No. 11937916)

Set up free Homeless campsites in Montana and North Dakota. They´ll be empty from Mid Sept to May.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: belwhatter, 3/21/2019 11:21:43 AM     (No. 11937930)

There is too much emphasis on ´homelessness´ being the cause rather than on drug addiction which is the primary problem. Homelessness is the result of poor life choices and it is enabled by so called compassionate public policies of mistaken tolerance. Since our elected officials are totally unfit to deal with this huge societal problem, how about turning over the task to some of our very socialist progressive billionaires, who would be better off using their whopping piles of cash favorably to rebuild mental health facilities, reopen McNeil Island specifically for drug dry outs and vocational training, and have a giant bonfire to cleanly destroy all the detritus littering city streets, alleys, underpasses et al?.Then these socialist progressive billionaires can set to building basic housing units, and quit their present practice of suborning American ideals. This way they can go to their graves having done something worthwhile with their lives.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Smart11344, 3/21/2019 11:25:39 AM     (No. 11937936)

The democrat sickness that has settled in Seattle is mind boggling. How long before a deadly plague hits Seattle? I´m frighten because I live in this s***hole city. Thank you, democrats.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Former lurker, 3/21/2019 11:29:43 AM     (No. 11937944)

With all the help that the homeless get they not only do not need to clean up their act, there is also no incentive to go to the one place where they might be welcome....home.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Refried, 3/21/2019 11:40:08 AM     (No. 11937958)

Documentary is well worth watching.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Virtudawg, 3/21/2019 12:11:28 PM     (No. 11937999)

Has anyone noticed that the liberal socialist quest for "utopia" ends up in dystopia?

Evidence: Cuba, Venezuela, Guatemala, any large Democratic-controlled U.S. city (Baltimore, Seattle, etc.).

Socialist policies are always counter to basic human nature, and thus this result . . .


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Reply 12 - Posted by: katiejo, 3/21/2019 12:40:17 PM     (No. 11938029)

One of the few advantages of living in Minnesota (I know, land of 10 million libtards) is that the -40 weather keeps this sort of thing to a minimum. Silver linings...if you look for them.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: PlayItAgain, 3/21/2019 12:49:38 PM     (No. 11938044)

Mentally ill people and drug addicts.

The "lack of housing" issue is a symptom, not a cause. Let´s stop calling them homeless.

And if journalists in Portland had a conscience, they would not have waited for a documentary from Seattle to embarrass them into writing about the problems in their own city.

Tucson, Arizona is headed in the same direction but they have the additional burden of being a sanctuary city right next to the southern border.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Chuzzles, 3/21/2019 2:13:20 PM     (No. 11938140)

#2 has it correct. Instead of fixing the hospitals for the mentally ill, the ACLU got them all closed down back in the late 60´s and started this whole disaster rolling.

The Left has been a disaster for this country´s physical and social ;health for at least 50-60 years now. Seattle is being run by some of the HB visas Microsoft brought over to work for them. They have probably scraped the bottom of the barrel with their City Hall, and it is only going to get worse.

My daughter lives up there and fills me in every once in awhile. I am just surprised that the Oregonian is admitting this about both Seattle and Portland.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: RayLRiv, 3/21/2019 2:33:03 PM     (No. 11938161)

Brought to you by the DemoRAT Party!

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Reply 16 - Posted by: dvc, 3/21/2019 5:06:15 PM     (No. 11938306)

#14, they are not ALL closed down.

A friend used to be the director of the Kansas version, originally called the Kansas Insane Asylum, no longer politically correct, it is now the Osawatomie State Hospital.

Their web site says their mission is:

To lead in providing compassionate, patient-centered care in a safe environment for positive outcomes.

Out here in fly over country, we are far more advanced than on the Left Coast, in a ´back to the future´ way. We finished building it in 1881, and never closed it, just maintained it. Our mentally ill people get care in a state institution, and don´t have to live on the street. And we don´t have to step in human feces on our sidewalks, either.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: earlybird, 3/21/2019 7:22:19 PM     (No. 11938412)

Re #5, almost right. 5150 = they’re detained for 72 hours while they undergo psych examination.

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