Republicans can't win without Trump supporters
Substack,
by
Don Surber
Original Article
Posted By: earlybird,
12/3/2022 12:45:24 PM
It may not have been the dumbest thing on the Internet last week, but it was the dumbest thing I read. Nick Fuentes visited Mar-a-Lago as a guest of Kanye West. The media describes Fuentes as a Holocaust Denier and White Supremacist. The two ate with Donald Trump, who was unaware of who this Fuentes dude is. I am clueless about Fuentes as well. But the media manufactured another scandal out of the incident. Conservative poseurs obediently are clutching their pearls over this like the little country club Republicans they are.
No president did more for Israel than Trump. No president had a daughter, son-in-law and three grandchildren who were Jewish.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
slipstik 12/3/2022 12:49:42 PM (No. 1348182)
As long as the power/money gravy train keeps running, the republicrats don't care if they win, in fact, they wouldn't want to be in the driver seat.
The republic has failed. We are done.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
Rich323 12/3/2022 12:55:50 PM (No. 1348188)
We need to ditch the Republican brand and establish the America First Party right now! Grab the disgruntled democrats and sone independents. As long as we’re tied to Republicans we’re tied to the Uniparty.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Jerseyden 12/3/2022 1:04:23 PM (No. 1348197)
Until early mail in voting is restricted and vote drop boxes are stopped there is no way a Republican will ever win again and I think this is what the rino’s want.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
SALady 12/3/2022 1:05:59 PM (No. 1348198)
After being a Republican for all of my 65 years on this earth, I officially became an independent conservative in January of 2021 after watching the sewer dwelling Republi-Can'ts stab President Trump in the back over and over again.
No, I will never vote for a Demon-Rat, as they are all pure evil (or even worse). But I will never vote for another candidate just because they have an "R" after their name. My money and my votes will go to solid conservative Republicans. But never to another useless RINO, since they are just as evil (if not more-so, because they aren't even honest) as the Demon-Rats.
So if these vile Republi-Can'ts want to join the "never Trump" train, they will certainly do so without my vote. And I'm guessing that a majority of the 75,000,000+ of us that voted for Donald Trump in 2020 are probably feeling the same about now!!!!
I am pretty sure we are way overdue for the Conservative American Patriots Party!!!!!
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Venturer 12/3/2022 1:18:54 PM (No. 1348214)
I still belong to the Republican party, but I aint happy.
The 10 or 12 who vote with the democrats are all worthless traitors to what Republicans stand for.
We definitely need a new party as it seems we cannot get rid of the sorry leadership of the old one.
What the heck were they thinking when they send Mitch McConnell back into leadership.
As for Trump? Just plain sick of watching the democrats ,who fear him, continue to display their ignorance.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
MDConservative 12/3/2022 1:40:54 PM (No. 1348225)
FTA: "How can we move on from President Trump when Republicans have not let him accomplish what he was elected to do?"
Let's start by saying 2016 and 2024 are not the same in any fashion. Trump supporters can't win without Republicans, either. And while the MAGA cult carries on it forgets that there are "moderate Repubicans" who are neither pro- nor anti-Trump in '24. But they are cognizant of the Trump package and its contents this time. Harping on '20 and carrying on like FPDT is the ONLY choice doesn't further the MAGA cause.
It's very much true that the UNIPARTY controls national-level politics, and that Mitch and Kevin are fully UNIPARTY. They are elected by their respective caucuses, making them presumably UNIPARTY, too. The "enemy" is fairly clear...just about everyone in Washington legislative and government circles. And that cabal is well funded, besides holding the controls.
Selling four more years of Trump as President is more than shouting MAGA at people. For all the good done, there were issues from Day One that included his cabinet choices, from Sessions, T-Rex and Mad Dog. His COVIDS response was wholly based on "experts" who were bureaucrats first and foremost, compounded by giving Fauci, Birx and others the legitimacy of the Presidential bully pulpit until the Biden Adminsitration arrived. Let's also not forget that PDT wholeheartedly endorsed Mitch for re-election in '18. None of this is to cheer about.
The game will get uglier as primary season approaches. The UNIPARTY will not see its '20 investment in dumping Trump wasted in '24. Surber talks around that. So, what's Plan B...just in case? President Harris, Newsome or Michelle O?
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
judy 12/3/2022 1:50:42 PM (No. 1348231)
Are you listening Hershel????
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
vhs68 12/3/2022 2:00:52 PM (No. 1348242)
I will flatly say that if the Trumpster isn't on the ticket in 2024 then a demorat will become president--they won't even have to cheat. And yes, they only win when they CHEAT.
And to #6 the long time loyal supporters of the Republican party WILL NOT vote for another uni-party hack that is submitted to the people. We are done eating those crap sandwiches. I can stand losing in a fair election but getting cheated in public view just chaps my arse.
Rino's don't want to win--they pulled money in late October from close races to save money because they understood the FIX was in. NEVER AGAIN.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
smokincol 12/3/2022 2:06:13 PM (No. 1348244)
"Republicans can't win without Trump supporters" - damn right and there are a whole lot of us out here - could a third party be the solution? huh, hong kong mitch and you, romney mcdaniel
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Dodge Boy 12/3/2022 2:40:15 PM (No. 1348253)
The pubbies aren't interested in leading right now. Which is why I changed my party affiliation to unaffiliated in January 2021. Even though I never vote dim, absolutely never, I must now focus my attention and donations on local races where the lefty way can be erased.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
Lanetam 12/3/2022 3:09:28 PM (No. 1348261)
Correct.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
LC Chihuahua 12/3/2022 3:33:49 PM (No. 1348271)
What makes you think Republicans even want to win?
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
Penney 12/3/2022 4:01:25 PM (No. 1348281)
The theaTRICKal dems latest production is the wackiest yet. They keep trying and failing though. Sigh
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
nwcudagal 12/3/2022 4:37:28 PM (No. 1348296)
I changed my party to independent two years ago. I will never vote RINO again.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
Rinktum 12/3/2022 4:44:13 PM (No. 1348301)
My answer to the question, should we move on from Trump?
Mr. Surber said it best. FTA: “ How can we move on from President Trump when Republicans have not let him accomplish what he was elected to do?”
The reprehensible Rinos have made more trouble for President Trump than he ever did with his rhetoric or mean tweets. They pulled the rug out from under him on day one. They would not even give him a chance when they saw he was actually succeeding, and that says everything about how despicable they truly are. They sacrificed the good of the country for their own personal egos.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
judy 12/3/2022 5:11:19 PM (No. 1348315)
The last 2 elections proved the republicans are a bunch of Mitch wimps....
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
idahoskook 12/3/2022 6:43:33 PM (No. 1348359)
And Trump and his supporters Can’t win with Republicans. So what do we do?
I said two years ago…..New Party Now!
I know all the reasons why it won’t work in National elections, but if we would have started it and focused first on local elections, we’d be two yards clear tow where we need to go anyway. Which is away from the Republican Party. Far away.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
idahoskook 12/3/2022 6:46:24 PM (No. 1348363)
How do you edit your comments on this site?
I’m dyslexic and can’t spell for 💩. I often come back to all posts to correct things, but this site appears to have no edit function.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
Dodge Boy 12/3/2022 7:00:30 PM (No. 1348371)
But absolutely, I will cast my vote for President Trump in 2024. Pence, you got that?
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People seem to forget that one of his daughter's in law happens to be Jewish as well. Ivanka isn't the only one who married Jewish. I just remember what happened to Jeb Bush when he smugly told the public he didn't need conservatives to win the nomination. Soon after that, he went down in flames politically.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
Proud Texan 12/3/2022 10:42:40 PM (No. 1348455)
I see several posters on here have changed their party registrations. I tend to agree with them. Here in Texas though, I have a choice. With the open primary, I can either vote Republican to have a say in local elections, or Democrat to have a voice in national elections. I may very likely choose to vote in the Democrat primary (depending on how local elections look) for the first time ever since I first voted 1978.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
govlawyer 12/4/2022 6:23:34 AM (No. 1348532)
Over the years, I've always seen that Surber is spot-on 99% of the time; this piece keeps that streak alive.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
Rumblehog 12/4/2022 6:37:28 AM (No. 1348545)
And WE cannot win with RINOS in control.
Ditch Mitch
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An answer to most if not all comments in this line; Did you ever really think that just maybe TERM LIMITS on ALL in Washington would be, is the answer??!!!
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
Californian 12/4/2022 7:12:21 AM (No. 1348583)
5, we already saw with Ross Perot that trying to create a new party just splits the non-Marxist vote and gets us an even more blue government.
Keep voting for and supporting conservatives and leave the eGOP RINO trash out on the curb. Do not support them with your votes, time or money and tell your friends the same. Spread the word. We will eventually take the party from them and the people who blindly vote R who don't know any better.
Trump 24
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I think the rinos should flip their strategy to a take over of the democrat party.
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
Strike3 12/4/2022 9:13:27 AM (No. 1348651)
It looks like the consensus is - No Trump No Vote. When there is 90% chance that you are going to get the same old incompetent, uniparty, money-grubbing fossils in office time after time, why play the fool, go through the motions of voting and be governed by corrupt clowns for four more years? If you prefer Michelle Obama to Trump's tweets, go for it. I feel fortunate to have lived through the best four years of government this country has ever had.
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
Geoman 12/4/2022 9:21:52 AM (No. 1348660)
Re: #2 - How many times can one threaten to do something, not follow through, and threaten yet again without losing credibility? A party of independents (Bernie Sanders?) and disgruntled democrats (angry leftists) sounds far worse than the GOP. There are America First-minded people in the Republican Party infrastructure throughout this country. It's the politicians who are the problem. Shifting under a new banner will not solve the problem of electing idiots and snakes but it would ensure democrat control over law making, the courts, the White House, and a majority of the state houses. I guess the allure of trendy anti-Republican, democrat-like, talking points is too appealing to disregard like Trump apparently has. What does he know that the anti-Republican segment of his base thinks they know better?
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
bigfatslob 12/4/2022 9:57:08 AM (No. 1348702)
I'm in my mid-seventies with failing health. I can no longer say we'll get them in the next election and win. In all my life I've thrown my vote away on establishment losers like John McCain, George Bush and Mitt Romney. President Trump is the first leader I've seen in my entire life who has displayed what I wanted for our country. I won't abandon him even with all his warts with some missteps in his choices but for the most part he did it all alone. Trump and his supporters don't need the Republicans In Name Only it's the other way around. If the election cheating isn't addressed by the dirty republicans in the next two years, then DeSantis or Trump can't win so I won't vote at all. Standing in line to cast my one vote gets canceled by ten, one hundred or more paper ballot fake votes is not an election it has become a 'selection'. Suber is very correct in his assessment and I agree.
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
GustoGrabber 12/4/2022 9:59:15 AM (No. 1348706)
If DeSantis is his own guy and not fronting Karl Roves Bushies apparatus, the smart play is to not only support Trump, but do so enthusiastically now. Unite or bring in any non Bushie never trumper suburbanites. And take a Cabinet position to get some national gravitas before 2028. It’s not as if Trump is going to hold the leash on a MAGA general who believes in the movement.
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
keep_right 12/4/2022 10:34:13 AM (No. 1348732)
And Trump can't win without full Republican support. If he's to succeed, and I hope he does, he has to mend some fences. As someone else mentioned, 2024 is not 2016. He's got a fantastic record. He can stand on that and do less brash trash talk. You may recall that he burned bridges with Cruz when he accused Cruz's father of ties to Castro. He burned bridges with Rand Paul by belittling him. Both demonstrated great maturity to work with Trump eventually, but they could have chosen not to. He really needs to save his ammo for the true enemy - the Dems!
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
NotaBene 12/4/2022 10:40:59 AM (No. 1348739)
Me too. I had never heard of Nick Fuentes. The Communists set traps for Trump. The Pharisees did the same thing to our Lord.
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Reply 33 - Posted by:
Solid_Oak 12/4/2022 10:56:06 AM (No. 1348749)
The Dems/Marxists have to be loving the "my guy or nobody" crap that's being spewed by too many on here. We lost Senate elections in NH, PA, AZ, and NV that we should have won (we will see about GA soon). The Rep candidates were all hand picked and supported by Trump. The Reps lost because Independents went to the Dem candidates in a big way (12-20% more for the Dem). In PA Fetterman, probably the worst candidate to run for anything in 2022, received 58% of Independents - Oz only got 38%.
So I'm not big on Trump candidates. I want to see solid conservatives to run who will put the conservative cause first.....not a personality. If we want to continue to lose elections we should win, all we have to do is what we did in 2022. How stupid !!!!!
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Reply 34 - Posted by:
Adam 12/4/2022 11:11:12 AM (No. 1348756)
I don’t believe Surber when he writes he’s never heard of Fuentes.
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Reply 35 - Posted by:
GustoGrabber 12/4/2022 11:15:16 AM (No. 1348758)
Seems to me we heard plenty of he my guy or no guy crap from you under your many monikers back when your guy was Bush, or Romney, or the other Bush. Nobody is following the parade you wish to lead.
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Reply 36 - Posted by:
doctorfixit 12/4/2022 11:16:24 AM (No. 1348759)
Republicans are cowards hiding behind their oligarchy.
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Reply 37 - Posted by:
BarryNo 12/4/2022 12:37:10 PM (No. 1348804)
Do they want to win? I think they are hired subversive - Democrats pretending to be Republicans, who only reveal when it's critical to their real party. Soviets used to do this a lot - they called it, "Deep Cover".
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Reply 38 - Posted by:
BarryNo 12/4/2022 12:38:37 PM (No. 1348805)
No. 1, the Republic has not failed unless YOU surrender, or they pry the guns out of patriots cold, dead hands.
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Reply 39 - Posted by:
Zigrid 12/4/2022 3:16:02 PM (No. 1348898)
WE are not done...poster #1...where would I be today if England had quit when hitler bombed them...I am the recipient of their courage because I lived under hitler's boot on my neck...although very young...I can remember all the radio free Europe broadcasts telling US to have courage...so your gloom and doom doesn't work with me...I know President Trump was sent at this time to set US free and no gloom and doom shall discourage me...
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Reply 40 - Posted by:
FormerDem 12/4/2022 4:43:51 PM (No. 1348935)
Does anyone know whether Trump actually said and meant that the Constitution should be suspended so he can "be installed" as correct winner of 2020? Yes 2020 was fraud, but who is the fixer-upper of elections behind that passive construction? Is he calling for a military coup? If so I am done with him. The military would not fix things just once. Did he say this or did he not?
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Reply 41 - Posted by:
mindsport 12/4/2022 6:11:21 PM (No. 1348980)
At this point in the game I still support both DeSantis and Trump. The Kanye / Fuentes story and ensuing narrative is now in its second week. What is funny is that while the democrats led with the story they quickly gave it up, the last week has shown it is republicans who are calling on Trump to apologize. The general public could careless, because. What it does make clear is exactly who his enemies are, Pence, McConnell, Lindsay Graham etc. Anyone I see pumping on this goes on my "do not donate to" list.
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