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Supreme Court Opens The
Door To Internet Taxes — What
Comes Next Could Be A Lot Worse

Investor´s Business Daily, by Staff

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Posted By:RockyTCB, 6/22/2018 7:06:33 AM

Taxes: Whatever you think about the issue of taxing internet sales, the simple fact is that the Supreme Court has just guaranteed that people across the country will now be paying more in state taxes. It´s hard for us to see how this is good news. In its 5-4 decision on South Dakota v. Wayfair, the court overturned two previous rulings that prevented states from taxing sales of out-of-state companies. That meant a catalog company based in Maine didn´t have to navigate 45 state sales-tax laws to figure out how much each customer owed, and then remit that money to the


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Dirtyjersey, 6/22/2018 7:17:12 AM     (No. 11671990)

I hate taxes, but I hate unfairness more. Why should amazon get a 5% to 9% subsidy over local retailers? If sales taxes are bad, then eliminate all of them. Otherwise, this argument is nothing more than special interest rent-seeking.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: liberty316, 6/22/2018 7:24:01 AM     (No. 11671995)

#1, I respectfully disagree. I´m a small business owner who sells exclusively online. If I have to figure out how to deal with every state, and all the special rules in each states various counties, I´m probably going to go out of business. It would not be so bad if some simple way to deal with this were implemented. I don´t know what that might be. But if I have to mail a check every three months to any county I mailed a package to, I´m toast.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: TexaTucky, 6/22/2018 7:26:53 AM     (No. 11671998)

Dang - I agree with both #1 and #2.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Raspberry, 6/22/2018 7:35:44 AM     (No. 11672004)

Taxes on purchases, falsely called sales tax, are manifestly unfair and this article and #2´s comment say why. The buyer is liable and he must pay to his jurisdiction not the seller. Anyway, the buyer has already paid income and other taxes on the money he spends on sales making it double or triple taxation or more. But the complexities of collection should be all the argument necessary against it.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: vegasgrump, 6/22/2018 7:55:37 AM     (No. 11672021)

I am an artist who sells online. There is no way I will be able to comply with the new law. I don´t just buy items to resell, I create, and if I have to spend my time figuring out each tax code there will be no time to paint.
As to Amazon, I buy a lot of stuff from them, and every order I get has sales taxes added. I don´t know if this is a special deal to Texas, but I do pay it.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: rinohunter, 6/22/2018 7:56:10 AM     (No. 11672024)

This is the Kelo v. City of New London all over again! The retards in robes just don´t get it! Now what? And it´s even more disppointing at the justices that supported this.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Michaelus, 6/22/2018 7:58:46 AM     (No. 11672027)

Amazon is getting its money´s worth - apparently they even own the Supreme court. Amazon will have no problem complying with this law. They are the only online retailer who can set up a compliance department and handle the complex tax calculations. Grandma Hooper´s Pies, Tony´s Handmade Ties and Amy´s Artisanal Cheese can no longer sell via mail order. It is as simple as that.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: MattMusson, 6/22/2018 8:00:58 AM     (No. 11672029)

#2 and those like him will be forced by this action to sell through one of the Internet Giants like Amazon or Ebay. Independent Internet Retailers will be a thing of the past.

Only the big guys will have the ability to identify the correct sales taxes because this will go from State to City and County level too.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: bldrrepub, 6/22/2018 8:03:14 AM     (No. 11672033)

If only there were some kind of machine where you could type in the address of your customer and have that machine automatically figure out what those taxes are.

What if that machine had a little man who came and updated those tax rates automatically while you were asleep?

Maybe that machine could also take the customer information, the order information (including the individual tax information), and send everything to your bookkeeper or accountant.

Admittedly I’m being snarky but there are at least 3 software companies off the top of my head that will figure out state, county, special district taxes automatically and you don’t even have to think about it.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 6/22/2018 8:04:35 AM     (No. 11672036)

In our immediate area there are 3 different sales tax rates. Unincorporated parts of the county do not pay a local city tax. Nearby is a different county with a higher county tax. Our zip code overlaps them all. It will be virtually impossible to comply.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: wakeupcall, 6/22/2018 8:04:48 AM     (No. 11672038)

Next up will be that each state,county, city, the internet sold items passes through is entitled to collect sales taxes for road, rail, or airspace use of the product, products, traveling through their jurisdiction.

This is just another reason why Jefferson is correct when he stated their is nothing in our constitution giving unelected representatives the power to rule over constitutional or non constitutional but relegated that power strictly to the elected House of Representatives who represent all the people.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: wakeupcall, 6/22/2018 8:12:11 AM     (No. 11672042)

One more thing.

This now opens up the reasoning that the state the item is purchased in now has the right to collect sales taxes for their state, city, county, which the product is sold in.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: bella, 6/22/2018 8:18:07 AM     (No. 11672049)

What will this do to all of those Ebay small businesses?

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Reply 14 - Posted by: frenesi1, 6/22/2018 8:19:01 AM     (No. 11672051)

Living in a state like Iowa, ordering on line is great. Now I will curtail my spending. If I need something, I will have to drive 2 or 3 hours to get it unless I only buy from Walmart or Target. Ugh.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: volksford, 6/22/2018 8:33:25 AM     (No. 11672063)

So Roberts thinks the tax issue should have been settled by Congress, well what do you know. Too bad he didn´t think that way with Obamacare!!

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Ribald1, 6/22/2018 8:45:08 AM     (No. 11672076)

Paying the sales tax is not a big deal.
Filing 50 tax forms every quarter is.
This opens the door to massive abuse.
What about loss of business tax revenue? Here in CA it is required of contractors that they fill out taxes in every city they work in. Is it fair that online retailers don´t have to pay local business license fees and revenue taxes?
Bezos is smiling all the way to the bank, lawyers are salivating at the prospect of defending people from all these tax jurisdictions, and tax accountants are out shopping for a bigger home.
American small business; RIP

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Mass Minority, 6/22/2018 8:51:50 AM     (No. 11672083)

I´m not sure how this will play out, it may change absolutely nothing. Brick and mortar stores are required to collect the taxes at the point of sale in the state they are in. They are not required to collect taxes for the state the customer lives in. In MA when I file my state taxes i am supposed to enter the amount of out of state purchases I have made and pay the "use tax" on it. The use atx is the same as the sales tax.

Compliance is a seious issue I would imagine, but technically if I go to Walmart in New Hampshire I owe MA 6.25% of what I spent. My guess is that this "loophole" is how retailers will respond to this. After all MA cannot legislate that NH Report all transactions of MA residents in NH for tax collection purposes. MA can only legislate that MA residents report what they spend out of state for tax purposes.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Time4AR2, 6/22/2018 9:12:56 AM     (No. 11672098)

This is taxation without representation.

A business in any state has no say in sales tax rate in the other 49 states.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: hurricanegirl, 6/22/2018 9:19:19 AM     (No. 11672104)

What a mess, and now Texas is considering passing a consumption tax that replaces property taxes, which most people think is WONDERFUL (some are even naive enough to believe that those who rent don´t pay taxes--yes, they do; it´s included in your rent)!!!! From all I´ve read, the consumption tax is going to have to be sky-high to equal the same amount in property taxes!

And it is the Republicans who are pushing this! Fun times with stupid people!

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Reply 20 - Posted by: paral04, 6/22/2018 9:19:59 AM     (No. 11672105)

This tax should be good for small businesses that have lost sales with tax free trade over the internet. The online stores dominated by billionaires and squeezing the life of the small merchant´s. Good for the Supremes.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: seamusm, 6/22/2018 9:22:29 AM     (No. 11672113)

Really? In this day of computerized billing (and what is online sales except by computer) it is difficult to navigate the different tax rates of various states? Bull! It is well past time to eliminate the advantage of online sales and restore some help to the mom and pop local retailer.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: curious1, 6/22/2018 9:25:56 AM     (No. 11672117)

If you don´t have to pay these ´taxes´ if you place a phone order to a company in another state, why do you have to do it if you use the web? Congress could settle this is a few minutes if they wanted to, but they don´t want to. We need more constitutionalists in congress too, just as in the supreme court.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Hotrod, 6/22/2018 9:47:00 AM     (No. 11672145)

The big boys, like Amazon, will handle the tax problem for the little guys. The small companies that fulfill orders for the big companies are already linked in the systems, so only the independent internet business´ will suffer.

That means they will be forced to work under the big boys to survive. Is that the real reason for the issue?

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Ribald1, 6/22/2018 9:54:31 AM     (No. 11672158)

#21 Have you ever filled out a sales tax filing? Somehow I suspect not.
These aren´t automatically filled out, you have to enter all the data, usually broken down by county and often by city. If you were real practiced and organized you could do each one in a little under an hour.
That is 40-50 hours every quarter 160-200 unbillable hours every year, or a whole month of lost income.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: dvc, 6/22/2018 10:09:44 AM     (No. 11672184)

I see a huge business opportunity for a software firm.

If someone could have software package which would sort out the sales tax situation based on the delivery address, and would sell the software to small (or large) businesses, and keep their tax database feeding the software up to date (somewhat analogous to GPS makers with their map databases) they could make a killing.
If the software was a reasonable cost, perhaps 1/4% processing charge on each transaction, it would be very affordable for businesses and a huge cash cow for the software company.

OK, now that I have shown you how to make yourself a billionaire - who will go and actually do it?

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Reply 26 - Posted by: wilarrbie, 6/22/2018 10:44:31 AM     (No. 11672223)

It doesn´t have to be so complicated. Never minding the topic of the need for a new tax, but why can´t they simplify it? A small, even number - let´s say 4. As in %. 4% Internet Commerce Tax. Half goes to sellers´ state, half to buyers. Period.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: smcchk, 6/22/2018 10:45:23 AM     (No. 11672225)

Lots of online retailers are "mom and pop" operations too. Many items I have ordered have come with handwritten notes and personal touches. Software will develop but it will eat into profits. This is a blow to many small businesses.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: msjena, 6/22/2018 10:54:12 AM     (No. 11672234)

There is already software to address this problem. And it´s really not that complicated. Have a program with every state´s tax rate and just have the computer match the rate with the buyer´s address. Consumers can´t complain because they owe the tax regardless. They would be arguing about a right to evade taxes.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: msjena, 6/22/2018 10:58:45 AM     (No. 11672242)

Sorry to post again, but also, the law at issued exempted small businesses--those that did below a certain dollar amount of business. I agree the return filing obligation is problematic.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: stablemoney, 6/22/2018 11:57:17 AM     (No. 11672307)

Only people pay taxes, not corporations. This tax is the worst nightmare a small company could ever face. My situation is infrequent sales to many states, which means computer letters from many states asking about sales taxes for months with no sales. Then, as soon as you report sales in a state, you will have to register to do business in that state, which will mean income and franchise taxes, and reporting. Some states, like Louisiana, have different sales taxes by locality, a nightmare. This means anybody selling out of state will have to hire a state tax compliance firm, and an accountant internally to compile the tax reporting information. No small business accounting program has the capability of compiling sales by state. And what is sales? Just because you prepare an invoice does mean it is a sale. The item may not have shipped, all work may not have been completed, the cash may not have been collected, and you have to report according to gaap, or keep two sets of books. The SCOTUS are made up of idiots passing laws on things they do not know squat about.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: bldrrepub, 6/22/2018 1:20:04 PM     (No. 11672420)

#25 - They already exist.

Vertex, Avalara, TaxCloud, even Intuit has something for QuickBooks.

Jeez folks, 20 years ago we were able to put a missile up the butt of a camel from 500 miles. Technology and data have only been improved.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: dvc, 6/22/2018 8:32:52 PM     (No. 11672765)

#31, good to know. Not rocket surgery. ;-)

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New York Post, by Nikki Schwab    Original Article
Posted By: AltaD- 7/15/2018 7:45:16 PM     Post Reply
The man who co-wrote “The Art of the Deal” said Sunday he believes President Trump’s faculties are diminishing — and that he feels obligated to sound the alarm. “We are in a true emergency,” Tony Schwartz said on CNN Sunday. “And the accelerated rate at which his breakdown or decompensation is occurring is cause for us, and certainly for me, to come on to TV more often, to tweet more often.” Schwartz told CNN’s Brian Stelter that he felt comfortable making that assessment because he had “spent an enormous time with [Trump] over a period of 18 months.”(snip)Stelter pointed out that Schwartz

McDonald´s, tossed salad, and toilet paper
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American Thinker, by Jeannie DeAngelis    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 7/14/2018 7:25:36 AM     Post Reply
Americans are encouraged to embrace diversity and be culturally sensitive to those who have flouted our laws and invaded our nation. Meanwhile, illegal aliens arriving in America have no such requirement. Instead, trespassing tribes relocate, and when they do, rather than assimilate, they transfer habits and activities indigenous to the countries from whence they migrated. Thus, Americans suffer from illnesses that are easily traceable to third-world bathroom habits (TWBH) and lack of hygiene in the developing world. It´s not news that illegals work in restaurants as food-handlers. These restaurant workers migrate from

Peter Strzok’s arrogance is
the product of a corrupt FBI

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New York Post, by Michael Goodwin    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 7/15/2018 5:04:59 AM     Post Reply
Watching FBI agent Peter Strzok battle with Congress, my initial reaction was pure anger. His repeated, arrogant insistence that he had done nothing wrong despite tons of evidence to the contrary convinced me he deserved immediate firing — if not the firing squad. Gradually, though, anger gave way to amazement as Strzok grew increasingly combative and condescending. Given his predicament, the sneering and smirking were stupid, and yet he persisted. Who is this jerk, I wondered, and how in the hell did he get to be a big shot at the FBI? And why are taxpayers still paying for the privilege of

Left-Wing Antifa Terrorists ‘Freaking
Out’ over Proposed ‘Unmasking’ Law

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Breitbart Big Government, by John Nolte    Original Article
Posted By: earlybird- 7/14/2018 7:00:28 AM     Post Reply
The left-wing terrorist organization that calls itself Antifa is “freaking out” over a proposed law that would enhance penalties for anyone who “injures, oppresses, threatens, or intimidates any person” while wearing a disguise or mask. Throughout our country, and for a number of years now — and primarily because the establishment media fantasizes about, promotes, enflames and approves of the violence committed against the right (naturally, HuffPo opposes the unmasking law) — Antifa has been allowed to run rampant, committing countless acts of violence against everyday, peaceful supporters of President Donald Trump.

White House Correspondents’ Association
rushes to Jim Acosta’s defense

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Daily Caller, by Joe Simonson    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 7/14/2018 7:29:11 AM     Post Reply
The White House Correspondents’ Association released a statement defending CNN from President Donald Trump’s refusal to take a question from the network on Friday. “In response to the President lashing out at NBC, CNN and The Sun: Asking smart, tough questions, whether in a presidential press conference or interview, is central to the role a free press plays in a healthy republic,” said WHCA president Margaret Talev. “Given that the president took a question from a CNN reporter in his NATO news conference just a day earlier, maybe he was letting off steam today rather than expressing an official stance

Drug traffickers ´BEHEADED a special
needs girl, 13, in Alabama because she
saw them stab her grandma to death over
her links to El Chapo´s Sinaloa Cartel´

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Daily Mail [UK] and Associated Press, by Keith Griffith and Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Ribicon- 7/14/2018 11:11:14 PM     Post Reply
A 13-year-old girl in Alabama was beheaded because she saw her Sinaloa Cartel-associated granny stabbed to death by drug traffickers, authorities have said. Mariah Lopez, 13, and her grandmother Oralia Mendoza, 49, were killed on June 4 in Moon Cemetery outside of Huntsville, Alabama, prosecutors revealed in court on Thursday. The new details in the case came in a hearing for 26-year-old Yoni Aguilar, who along with 34-year-old Israel Palomino is charged with two counts each of capital murder in the slayings. At the hearing, investigators testified that the grandmother Mendoza had ties to the Sinaloa Cartel,

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