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Self-Driving Uber Car
Kills Arizona Pedestrian

New York Times, by Daisuke Wakabayashi

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SAN FRANCISCO — A woman in Tempe, Ariz., died after being hit by a self-driving car operated by Uber, in what appears to be the first known death of a pedestrian struck by an autonomous vehicle on public roads. The Uber vehicle was in autonomous mode with a human safety driver at the wheel when it struck the woman, who was crossing the street outside of a crosswalk, the Tempe police said in a statement. The episode occurred overnight, although the authorities did not specify whether it was late Sunday or early Monday. The woman was not publicly identified. An

Who didn´t see this coming. Those self-driving semis scare me even more than cars. They could do a whole lot of damage and it´s terrifying to envision.


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Lucky5, 3/19/2018 1:24:29 PM     (No. 11576678)

I do not think self driving cars is a good idea at all.
Unless they have their own set lanes and own areas. Which of course will never happen.
Might as well build a monorail system.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: droopydog, 3/19/2018 1:25:41 PM     (No. 11576680)

Nothing in the tech world has led me to believe that self-driving cars are a good idea.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: mc squared, 3/19/2018 1:43:38 PM     (No. 11576696)

I´m afraid it was inevitable. Now we´ll see who is financially responsible if the driver isn´t at the wheel.

Famous quotes: We don´t need more lifeboats: it´s unsinkable. (somebody)

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Reply 4 - Posted by: curious1, 3/19/2018 1:47:16 PM     (No. 11576702)

We´re simply not at that level of tech capability yet. Pushing way too fast. And personally I don´t want to use the Microsoft approach of letting the self-driving cars out on the street and then fixing the bugs as they are encountered - unless the cars are less than 6 inches long, weigh less than 8 oz and don´t exceed 5 miles per hour. They can collect their data in the real-world that way. Using full size cars is simply too dangerous to humans. Semis? Madness! If they´re so certain the tech is ready for the real-world, the CEOs shouldn´t have any problem agreeing to be executed if one of their devices kills another human. After all, that´s what they are asking the gereral population to accept when they put these devices on the roads.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: dvc, 3/19/2018 1:50:31 PM     (No. 11576705)

So, who is responsible? The "safety driver" who was no doubt asleep, or effectively so - humans are horribly bad at monitoring automated systems, hopeless, almost.

Or the computer programmers who made the faulty program that killed her?

Or the installer or repairmen on the sensors and computers on the car?

Nobody will be responsible. The responsibility is effectively smeared so thin and so wide that nobody is "at fault".

Yet she is still dead. There will be many, many more - and al "nobldy´s fault".

Ban automated cars. Now.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: earlybird, 3/19/2018 2:00:48 PM     (No. 11576716)

The linked article about the Tesla driver who died when a tractor-trailer crossed the road in front of him is well worth a read, too. Those who make these cars are fighting regulation. The cars have software that apparently brakes when a car stops in front of them, but are not able to deal with cross traffic.

A gimmick. And a dangerous one.

I have always liked driving my own car. Far prefer it to being a passenger.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Secondtimelucky, 3/19/2018 2:02:03 PM     (No. 11576719)

Well, that´s a novel method of cutting down on jay walkers...

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Namma, 3/19/2018 2:04:31 PM     (No. 11576720)

I would think insurance will be so high on self driving cars that it will be to expensive to own one.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: steph_gray, 3/19/2018 2:05:08 PM     (No. 11576723)

#5, surely you know the answer to that question.

It’s only a matter of hours before they find a way to blame it on President Trump.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Twinkle93, 3/19/2018 2:09:39 PM     (No. 11576725)

A lawyer´s dream has come true.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: konocti95, 3/19/2018 2:15:19 PM     (No. 11576730)

#1 - The woman who got run over didn´t see it coming!

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Reply 12 - Posted by: MattMusson, 3/19/2018 2:20:26 PM     (No. 11576732)

Prediction: The Car will be absolved of any wrong doing.

Watch out folks. You are on your own.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: MDConservative, 3/19/2018 2:24:43 PM     (No. 11576735)

Isn´t one life too many? These should be banned from the streets, confiscated and crushed before another life is taken. Don Lemon, where are you? CNN, where re you? The AAA is evil. I propose a 17 minute walkout on Uber to make a statement!

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Reply 14 - Posted by: davew, 3/19/2018 3:01:48 PM     (No. 11576769)

The goal is not to develop autonomous vehicles that never hurt or kill anyone. That is impossible in the real world. The goal is to develop autonomous vehicles that are significantly safer over time than human drivers. The death toll from drunk, medically impaired, distracted, and otherwise unsafe human drivers is vastly higher than any level that would occur for autonomous vehicles. The fact that the woman was killed with a human safety driver in the car suggests that neither a human or computer could have prevented the accident in this case. Analysis will be needed to improve the system but we can´t abandon this important life saving technology because it isn´t perfect.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Caveman, 3/19/2018 3:03:32 PM     (No. 11576774)

It makes me nervous enough riding in a car with another human driving.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Hazymac, 3/19/2018 3:13:14 PM     (No. 11576789)

"Welcome to Johnny Cab!"(Total Recall, Schwarzenegger, 1990, back when Ah-nuld was cool)


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Reply 17 - Posted by: Omen, 3/19/2018 3:18:41 PM     (No. 11576798)

There will be blood & lawsuits.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Safari Man, 3/19/2018 3:29:45 PM     (No. 11576808)

I put more trust in Christine®.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: greggojo, 3/19/2018 3:33:38 PM     (No. 11576817)

Driving is surprisingly, incredibly complicated. Alert humans can perform the myriad recognitions and responses required, at this point, computer programs, even given all the sensors, etc. cannot. I agree that it is possible that the current programs might actually be safer drivers than the average human. I do not know.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: plex, 3/19/2018 3:33:56 PM     (No. 11576818)

Money isn´t the only issue. Vehicular manslaughter. Somebody needs to go to jail.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: snakeoil, 3/19/2018 3:39:54 PM     (No. 11576826)

One would think there would be a sensor that would detect anything in front of it and apply the brakes. It´s the technology of the future but the bugs should be worked out. At one time we had elevator operators and now everyone just pushes the button.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Ribald1, 3/19/2018 3:41:30 PM     (No. 11576829)

#14 The goal is to avoid liability.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Kowgirl, 3/19/2018 3:44:35 PM     (No. 11576838)

Not to defend driverless cars ... but ... even if the car had been actively driven by a human driver, there´s no guarantee the car would have been able to stop in time when a jaywalker crossed in front of it. The woman is dead because she attempted to cross the street illegally, and not in the well-marked pedestrian crosswalk 50 feet away.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: qwerty, 3/19/2018 4:01:34 PM     (No. 11576863)

This may sound cruel, a jaywalker not in a proper lane is open game. Having said that the idea of driverless cars is so very wrong on so many levels.
I say ban each and every one.
I, at 73 have more reflexive ability than any computer with all the sensors available. I can see a situation long before it happens.
Famous sign "Behind a rolling ball is a running child" would a "smart?" car know that? I don´t think so.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: bad-hair, 3/19/2018 4:18:49 PM     (No. 11576891)

I got 350Z ... You can have my steering wheel when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.

Oh and about those flying taxi-drones ......

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Reply 26 - Posted by: antiquegolf, 3/19/2018 4:26:39 PM     (No. 11576904)

Poster 22, you expressed my thought.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: NYbob, 3/19/2018 4:33:42 PM     (No. 11576910)

Was she drunk or looking at her phone? What part of look both ways or use a crosswalk did she miss in her upbringing? She can´t see a car coming toward her on a street?

Some people are going to find a way to break any rule and use zero common sense while doing it. The car wasn´t out of control, she was. Same as a cat or dog running into the street, except she should have known better. Now IF she had been in a crosswalk going when the light was right, that would be different. Too bad, but really you can´t play in traffic.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: schnapps, 3/19/2018 4:36:43 PM     (No. 11576914)

Self-driving cars have killed more people in the USA than nuclear power plants.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: strike3, 3/19/2018 5:09:55 PM     (No. 11576951)

What was the percentage of alcohol in the fuel tank?

Nothing is safe. AMTRAK trains run off the rails, Buses fall from overpasses, United kills your dogs and Florida bridges randomly choose cars to crush. I´ll stick with my motorcycle.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: franq, 3/19/2018 5:39:20 PM     (No. 11576976)

Exactly. Lower the limit to .02.
MADU: Mothers Against Driverless Ubers.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 3/19/2018 5:56:53 PM     (No. 11576989)

"Just a small "bug" in the software, OK, now it´s fixed!"

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Reply 32 - Posted by: dman, 3/19/2018 7:02:17 PM     (No. 11577056)

Possibly on controlled, limited access roads, but definitely not for "prime time" open roads.

Lawsuits will settle this matter.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: enemyofthestate, 3/19/2018 7:35:17 PM     (No. 11577088)

Nope. I shall never ride in a self-drive car.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: Smart11344, 3/19/2018 7:48:33 PM     (No. 11577108)

Any company thinking about driverless cars or planes better have trillions of dollars invested in liability insurance. You will never find me in anything that doesn´t have a driver or a pilot.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Hpmatt, 3/19/2018 8:30:10 PM     (No. 11577125)

Price of progress folks - think of all that gasoline that w/b saved - less pollution, millions of lives saved too.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: eiobx, 3/19/2018 9:23:11 PM     (No. 11577145)

In case noone noticed...solar activity was elevated.

No 7 is obviously not related to the deceased.

Yes...you´re on your own...be Brave, New World.

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the product of a corrupt FBI

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New York Post, by Michael Goodwin    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 7/15/2018 5:04:59 AM     Post Reply
Watching FBI agent Peter Strzok battle with Congress, my initial reaction was pure anger. His repeated, arrogant insistence that he had done nothing wrong despite tons of evidence to the contrary convinced me he deserved immediate firing — if not the firing squad. Gradually, though, anger gave way to amazement as Strzok grew increasingly combative and condescending. Given his predicament, the sneering and smirking were stupid, and yet he persisted. Who is this jerk, I wondered, and how in the hell did he get to be a big shot at the FBI? And why are taxpayers still paying for the privilege of

Drug traffickers ´BEHEADED a special
needs girl, 13, in Alabama because she
saw them stab her grandma to death over
her links to El Chapo´s Sinaloa Cartel´

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Daily Mail [UK] and Associated Press, by Keith Griffith and Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Ribicon- 7/14/2018 11:11:14 PM     Post Reply
A 13-year-old girl in Alabama was beheaded because she saw her Sinaloa Cartel-associated granny stabbed to death by drug traffickers, authorities have said. Mariah Lopez, 13, and her grandmother Oralia Mendoza, 49, were killed on June 4 in Moon Cemetery outside of Huntsville, Alabama, prosecutors revealed in court on Thursday. The new details in the case came in a hearing for 26-year-old Yoni Aguilar, who along with 34-year-old Israel Palomino is charged with two counts each of capital murder in the slayings. At the hearing, investigators testified that the grandmother Mendoza had ties to the Sinaloa Cartel,

Family ties! Obama arrives in his father´s
native Kenya for low-key trip to launch
sports center founded by his half-sister

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Daily Mail [UK] and Associated Press, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Ribicon- 7/15/2018 11:49:06 PM     Post Reply
Former US president Barack Obama arrived in Kenya on Sunday, the country of his father´s birth, his first visit to this East African country since leaving office. Obama is in Kenya to help launch the sports and training center founded by his half-sister, Auma Obama, through her foundation Sauti Kuu. In Nairobi, Barack met President Uhuru Kenyatta at the official residence, according to Kenyatta´s Twitter account. (Snip) Barack´s visit to Kenya is low key, unlike his previous visits where he electrified thousands of Kenyans who lined the streets to see him when he was a senator in 2006 and then as president

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