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Rand Paul: ´We don´t have money to
spend´ for Trump´s border wall

The Hill, by Brett Samuels

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Posted By:zoidberg, 1/11/2018 9:14:15 AM

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said Wednesday that while he supports additional barriers at the U.S.-Mexico border, he believes some of the estimated costs for President Trump’s border wall are too high to justify. "I remain a fiscal conservative, even on the wall, so I’m not excited about spending $20, $30, $40 billion on a wall. I’m still a believer that we don’t have money to spend. We’re $700 billion in the hole,” Paul said on CNN.  “And while I will vote for money for barriers, I’m not voting for $40 billion for barriers,” Paul added.  A report last week detailed Trump’s

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: earlybird, 1/11/2018 9:29:20 AM     (No. 11506690)

I don’t really care about whether little Rand finds it exciting or not. We need the wall. The expense has been justified. And there are still ways to get Mexico and any country to which remittances are wired by their citizens living here to pay for the wall.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: OBX Pete, 1/11/2018 9:31:29 AM     (No. 11506694)

Somebody please tell Rand that perhaps they could take the money being spent to take care of the illegals to build the wall.

It is insane that our tax money is being spent for medical care, food and God knows what else to make sure they are comfortable.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Thos Weatherby, 1/11/2018 9:31:37 AM     (No. 11506695)

By keeping out 1/2 of the people the savings from medical and education alone would pay for the wall in 2 years.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: jinx, 1/11/2018 9:32:28 AM     (No. 11506697)

How about getting rid of ALL the slush funds the government uses!

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Reply 5 - Posted by: slab, 1/11/2018 9:33:51 AM     (No. 11506699)

A user fee on international Western Union transfers will pay for it as it´s built.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: joew9, 1/11/2018 9:41:48 AM     (No. 11506706)

Rand Paul doesn´t want it. He couldn´t "find" enough money to buy a shovel.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: mc squared, 1/11/2018 9:47:27 AM     (No. 11506710)

Pay it now or pay it forever.

I thought Congress approved a wall in ´86 under Reagan.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: JansGraphix, 1/11/2018 9:48:48 AM     (No. 11506711)

Which is cheaper Paul? $40B for a wall? Or $4T for illegals? And these guys are supposed to be so smart??

Apparently ´smart´ needs to be redefined. Doesn´t it, Paul?

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Clinger, 1/11/2018 9:50:36 AM     (No. 11506712)

So Rand let me tell you how we little people decide what we have money to pay for and what we do not.

First we start with priorities, shelter, water, food, transportation to a job. Then we decide what to do with the left overs, more shelter than essential survival needs, better food, a car vs taking the bus, then we look at even lower priorities, like entertainment.

This shouldn´t come as a shock to you sir but your job is to do the same. The constitution will prove helpful in removing any confusion regarding the priorities. Defense and border security are in that top tier. For example all the federal government has accomplished with the department of education is to make education worse so don´t tell me we can´t afford top priority when we spend billions on things not in the constitutional purview of the federal government.

Here´s a little tidbit to consider; what is one third of the cost of the federal prison system? One third of the inmates are illegal intruders. What´s cheaper a wall or all of the associates costs of not having a wall?

Mr. Paul, I have at times thought of you as a true representative of the people. Perhaps I was wrong, way wrong.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: save America, 1/11/2018 9:54:59 AM     (No. 11506720)

If a bridge falls down or another storm like Sandy hits,18 billion would appear out of nowhere.Overnight,probably with him leading the charge of we have to do something.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: citizen, 1/11/2018 9:55:19 AM     (No. 11506721)

Stop bringing "migrants" here to leech off our systems..stop generational welfare.
Those two items alone would pay for the wall, actually many walls.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 1/11/2018 10:01:13 AM     (No. 11506733)

Take it from Department of Education, Arts, and Federal welfare.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: stablemoney, 1/11/2018 10:19:19 AM     (No. 11506764)

Yes we do, besides Mexico is going to pay for it. Shut up, Paul. Quit being a wrench in everything. No wonder your neighbor got tired of you.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: dvc, 1/11/2018 10:20:56 AM     (No. 11506770)

Bullhockey. Pocket change, and very important.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: lostinmassachusetts, 1/11/2018 10:31:48 AM     (No. 11506780)

Senator Paul can solve this problem by proposing legislation to pay for the wall by eliminating foreign aid to our enemies, e.g., the Palestinian Authority.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: bighambone, 1/11/2018 10:33:30 AM     (No. 11506783)

If you add up all the decentralized government benefits at all levels being paid out, the government law enforcement costs to deal with the massive illegal alien population, and all the illicit drugs that illegal aliens in the employ of the international cartels are smuggling into and are transporting across the country, the total clearly exceeds $40 billion every year. So even if an effective borderline barrier will look to be expensive at the front end, once completed, the country will no longer have to pay out tens of billions of dollars each year to millions of illegal aliens and for all levels of government to deal with them.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: curious1, 1/11/2018 10:40:45 AM     (No. 11506795)

And even Trump has said it shouldn´t take anywhere near 7 years and it shouldn´t ermotely cost as much as they´re estimating - since he´s ´been in the business´ for decades, I´d trust his gut-check estimates over federal bureaucrat ´experts´ any day of the week.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: rochow, 1/11/2018 11:05:00 AM     (No. 11506823)

Memo to Paul: it costs more to take care of these illegals than building a wall!

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Cor-Vet, 1/11/2018 11:09:50 AM     (No. 11506830)

But you congress-critters think you can find enough money to return earmarks? Pork, especially government pork, is very expensive!

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Reply 20 - Posted by: dman, 1/11/2018 11:36:36 AM     (No. 11506858)

We "didn´t have the money" for the Manhattan Project, either.

Sell "Wall Bonds" and make this a similar effort. Count me in.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: enemyofthestate, 1/11/2018 11:47:51 AM     (No. 11506871)

More Jheri Curl logic from R. Paul.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: stencil, 1/11/2018 12:33:30 PM     (No. 11506923)

Paul is correct and there will be no "Wall", never was going to be. POTUS himself yesterday admitted as much: "...I´ll take the blame...". He used the imagery to get elected.

We don´t need an literal, continuous, impractical "Wall" (see China). What we do need are sections of barriers, with surveillance, and armed reinforcements to handle the problem.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Shucky, 1/11/2018 1:48:01 PM     (No. 11507005)

It´s either that, or billions and billions more for the ever increasing demand for social services. The nation can´t afford NOT to build a wall and ship all illegals out.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Penney, 1/11/2018 2:15:12 PM     (No. 11507038)

The cost for the wall is but a small amount of the total national budget funding for its countless projects, -in fact it is hardly noticeable, but it is vital to national & America´s unique cultural security. Rand Paul is wrong on this!

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Reply 25 - Posted by: danvillebill, 1/11/2018 2:21:19 PM     (No. 11507043)

quixotic (adj)

= idealistic but impractical

= Rand Paul


With thanks to Cervantes who predicted this loon back in 1605.


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Reply 26 - Posted by: earlybird, 1/11/2018 2:22:34 PM     (No. 11507045)

Re #22,

Paul is correct and there will be no "Wall", never was going to be. POTUS himself yesterday admitted as much: "...I´ll take the blame...". He used the imagery to get elected.

Link to original source, please. This sounds like a wee bit taken out of a larger whole. Context.

Conventional wisdom re tidbits of Trump utterances: "If it doesn’t fit, something is usually missing…"

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Chuzzles, 1/11/2018 2:45:04 PM     (No. 11507068)

If memory serves, it was funded way back in 1986 but democrats would not follow through. Then there are all the other many ideas that come to mind for funding, like cutting back on spending, cutting foreign aid to Mexico, installing serious fees for all wire transfers to locations south of our border, etc.

Plenty of ways to fund the border Sparky Paul, and you just better get used to the fact that you aren´t going to get your amnesty. The nation´s voters have spoken when they elected Trump, not YOU.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: nimby, 1/11/2018 2:57:26 PM     (No. 11507079)

Neither do we have money to support these illegals Rand!! And stop giving these people free education, healthcare, social security and child credit!!

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Reply 29 - Posted by: jerseytomato, 1/11/2018 2:59:50 PM     (No. 11507082)

WELFARE REFORM.



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Reply 30 - Posted by: P51dmustang, 1/11/2018 3:16:26 PM     (No. 11507091)

You do not need brick and mortar along the border. You need 24/7 drone surveillance and clamor mines.

Illegals stepping into a live mine field is a death on them. Stay out of the US and be safe.

Lets start thinking out of the box Senator Paul.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: steph_gray, 1/11/2018 6:21:49 PM     (No. 11507263)

Tsk, tsk Rand. You are falling into your personal purist trap again. Try to get it right this time, please. Remember your libertarian economics. The tax cuts will end up in more revenue. JFK knew it. Milton Friedman knew it. You certainly ought to know it. Unintended consequences of statist nonsense will decrease and liberty/prosperity/revenue will increase under Trump.

Besides we need you more than ever to fight against the FISA surveillance issue and the danger to all of our liberty. I mean that sincerely. Please look over there and stop with the line-item squirrel stuff. Trump’s got this.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: mickturn, 1/11/2018 7:36:26 PM     (No. 11507327)

BS, it is an investment that will pay us back a million to 1, get over it Rand!

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Posted By: M2- 1/15/2018 11:05:28 AM     Post Reply
Florida Rep. Frederica Wilson added her name to a growing list of Democratic lawmakers who say they are fed up with President Trump and will boycott his State of the Union address at the end of the month. (snip) “For the first time since I began serving in the U.S. House of Representatives, I will not be attending the president’s State of the Union address,” Wilson said in a statement late Sunday. “I have no doubts that instead of delivering a message of inclusivity and an agenda that benefits all Americans, President Trump’s address will be full of innuendo, empty

Pandemonium and Rage in Hawaii
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Atlantic, by Alia Wong    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 1/15/2018 4:36:03 AM     Post Reply
Why would my 22-year-old brother be calling so early on a Saturday morning? I’d ignored the first call. But the second time the phone rang, I picked it up. He was panicking, his voice trembling uncharacteristically: He’d just received the emergency alert warning of a ballistic missile that was heading for Hawaii, where I’m from, and where he and my family still live. “THIS IS NOT A DRILL,” the alert read. My brother was alone, and had no idea what to do or where to go. And he wouldn’t have had much time to figure out a game plan—some estimates


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