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The Beach Boys Are Better Than the Beatles
Real Clear Life, by Tim Sommer

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Posted By:Pluperfect, 1/10/2018 5:03:32 AM

There is music that is clever, inventive and deliberate, full of the arched eyebrows of ingenuity and the sly smile of skill. And then there is music that unchills your heart, music that makes a direct connection with your hopes, dreams, joys, and fears. Reach my heart, then tell me how brilliant you are. This is why, I am quite certain, I prefer Elliot Smith to Paul Simon, Fred Neil to Duncan Sheik, Charles Ives to Leonard Bernstein, the Durutti Column to Dire Straits; these artists created sound and music out of those moments just before tears happen, each of these artists access

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Trigger2, 1/10/2018 5:42:49 AM     (No. 11505425)

I agree. The Beach Boys are/were fantastic. I used to go to the State Fair to listen to their free concerts. Outstanding. After they were no longer featured, I never set foot in the place again.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Dr. Constant, 1/10/2018 5:50:43 AM     (No. 11505427)

Nope.

But then I refuse, where ever possible to use, support or recommend anything from that state of PIAPS worshipers.

I won´t even transit through airports in that godforsaken place.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: franq, 1/10/2018 5:56:10 AM     (No. 11505429)

To each his own. I never got into the whole surf sound thing...

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Reply 4 - Posted by: TexasAllTheWay, 1/10/2018 6:11:51 AM     (No. 11505437)

Brothers. You can´t beat the sound.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: lindamay, 1/10/2018 6:46:42 AM     (No. 11505457)

Yes.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Grant Hodges, 1/10/2018 6:56:30 AM     (No. 11505463)

Good Vibrations.

That´s all you need to say.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 1/10/2018 7:01:48 AM     (No. 11505466)

I grew up in Newport Beach/Huntington Beach actually surfing and listening to Tom Waits, Carlos Santana, Stones, J.Mayall....LedZep.

The Beach Boys were held to be an embarrassment of shallow "Pop" music which kids in Nebraska might buy to catch a taste of some phony beach scene which never existed.

Like Gidget.

Granted...some interesting lyrics but the music is bland, shallow, repetitive pop-trash.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: jhpeters2, 1/10/2018 7:12:18 AM     (No. 11505474)

The Beach Boys are a microcosm of California. Shallow, pretty and poppy filled. Prone to excess and over the years occasionally led/written/composed by a certifiable lunatic.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Lte126, 1/10/2018 7:17:25 AM     (No. 11505479)

Uhhh, ok. Eyeroll.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: erod111, 1/10/2018 7:31:29 AM     (No. 11505492)

Such a long article to promote a band that is on the same one-dimensional level as the BeeGees, and the Stones. In seven years the Beatles created a range of phenomenal music that will be fresh two hundred years from now. The Beatles are the Mozart´s of rock music, everyone else is Salieri.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: rolfnader, 1/10/2018 7:36:28 AM     (No. 11505500)

Typical liberal pap- but what else would we expect? The Beach Boys are to the Beatles what Abba is to the Eagles.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Peaches, 1/10/2018 7:51:56 AM     (No. 11505516)

Yeah....NO.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: sabrajet, 1/10/2018 7:52:46 AM     (No. 11505519)

I agree! I didn´t live in California when the Beach Boys were the thing, but didn´t matter they could sing, play instruments and the music had more going for it then the simple stuff the Beatles put out. I mean, they were ugly (except Paul who looked life a child) dressed funny, all needed to see the sun, and their music was rinky-dink. Got a bit better but the only one that had staying power was Paul´s Yesterday.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: mamafrog, 1/10/2018 7:54:08 AM     (No. 11505521)

No better way to show you are over the hill than arguing over which sixties music group is superior. The sixties were fifty years ago.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: 1976Ag, 1/10/2018 7:55:17 AM     (No. 11505523)

No way, never!

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Reply 16 - Posted by: GO3, 1/10/2018 7:58:28 AM     (No. 11505527)

I grew up listening to the Beatles and the Beach Boys (my first live concert) and all the rest. One point I agree with the author is that once the Beatles and other groups of the British invasion "matured," it became a massive exercise in infecting American youth with typical British quiet desperation.

Musical and lyrical skills aside, optimism and American can-do attitude suffered under the constant bombardment of music reflecting the Brit landscape - depressing, grey, and inner city conflicts ala mods versus rockers (and I´m a huge fan of the Who). In this way, the guy makes a good point.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: StormCnter, 1/10/2018 8:04:50 AM     (No. 11505534)

These debates never end. I´ve read many over the years discussing which man is a better musician: Springsteen or Elvis. I show my own age by declaring Elvis, no contest!

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Reply 18 - Posted by: chicodon, 1/10/2018 8:08:51 AM     (No. 11505538)

The Beatles and Beach Boys were fans of each other.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Clinger, 1/10/2018 8:49:31 AM     (No. 11505579)

I think that there is an argument to be made that some groups kept their focus on pleasing the consumer mass appeal while others seemed to be more focused on out doing their fellow musicians. Then there are the Beatles, Jimmy Hendrix and a few others that couldn´t help but advance the state of art through sheer creative genius, and perhaps a tinge of chemical fortification.

To argue one over the other is simply ridiculous, it all boils down to individual taste. Personally I respect those with the conviction and courage to do their own thing and resist the mass marketing model that has become pervasive. Doesn´t mean I like it all. I´m just glad I outlived disco, it was touch and go for a while.





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Reply 20 - Posted by: kate318, 1/10/2018 8:54:44 AM     (No. 11505586)

I always liked The Beach Boys, but #10 says it all.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: dvc, 1/10/2018 9:16:45 AM     (No. 11505629)

409, Dead Man´s Curve, The Little Old Lady from Pasadena were among my teen favorites - lots of car songs when I was very into cars. Surfing...not so much in Fla, not a lot of waves.

Good music, stands the test of time. And they didn´t go Commie like Lennon, or druggie like Harrison.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: MDConservative, 1/10/2018 9:20:52 AM     (No. 11505638)

Glenn Miller or Benny Goodman? Now, for my money, Guy Lombardo...

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Reply 23 - Posted by: web, 1/10/2018 9:31:04 AM     (No. 11505658)

I don´t care which one was "better." They both had good music. Much better than anything you hear today, and at least it was music... unlike rap.

The beatles... too many notes. /s I still listen to Don´t Worry Baby and Dance, Dance, Dance. The Beach Boys played at Cuptertino High in 1965(?) and I saw the Beatles at the Cow Palace in 1960 something. Both were great. So long ago...

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Reply 24 - Posted by: hicokid, 1/10/2018 9:45:20 AM     (No. 11505690)

#18 has the correct answer.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: kayworthy, 1/10/2018 9:48:07 AM     (No. 11505697)

Can´t stand John Lennon.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: earlybird, 1/10/2018 10:07:47 AM     (No. 11505724)

I too grew up in California. The beach was our scene. And the Beach Boys were never intended to be gidgety or something to impress kids in Nebraska. They were local music for local audiences that caught on in , was not forced upon, other areas. They did play real music. Had a great sound.

Some of the Beatles music was very good. Much of it was not. They were a Brit fad and some Americans are very wowed by anything Brit.

So different. Apples and oranges. Very American vs. Very Brit. Comparisons sound rather pretentious, as though those doing the comparing were the Ultimate Authorities.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Hazymac, 1/10/2018 10:08:28 AM     (No. 11505725)

Comparisons are odious. Paul McCartney and Brian Wilson were born two days apart (June 18 and 20, 1942), and each influenced the other heavily. Each one to this day loves and admires the other. They´re friends. The Beatles´ Rubber Soul (1965) moved Brian to produce his masterwork: Pet Sounds (1966), which in turn led the Beatles to their magnificent Sergeant Pepper´s (1967). After the single "Good Vibrations" (1966) Wilson set out to complete Smile, which was to have been his masterpiece album, but drugs and mental illness got in the way. Having to compete creatively, all by himself, with Lennon and McCartney was too tough a nut to crack, so he cracked.

Over the past half century I have probably listened to Brian´s Pet Sounds over 1,000 times. It still holds up magnificently. What a beautiful record it is! Not too many years ago on one trip from his 183 acre Kintyre Peninsula farm in Scotland to London, and back, McCartney spent all his driving time listening to Pet Sounds and Sergeant Peppers, and he liked what he heard. The music is still vital all these years later.

But to compare the Beach Boys´ artistic achievements, as great as they were, to the Beatles variegated catalogue is rather absurd.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: fayebeck, 1/10/2018 10:21:20 AM     (No. 11505751)

Feels as if I´m reading Allan Bloom´s Closing of the American Mind.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: WV.Hillbilly, 1/10/2018 10:38:33 AM     (No. 11505781)

#21
Dead Man´s Curve and The Little Old Lady from Pasadena were Jan & Dean songs.

And by the early 70´s, the Beach Boys, like the Beatles, were basically done, achievement wise.


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Reply 30 - Posted by: columba, 1/10/2018 10:55:32 AM     (No. 11505802)

This original article was the only one I read this morning. It is a breath of fresh air.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: vinegrower, 1/10/2018 10:57:40 AM     (No. 11505810)

I also grew up in California. Was a wonderful place in 50´s and 60´s. Was never a big fan of the Beatles. My choice of music was Motown. By the way #23 I think the Beatles were at the Cow Palace in 1964.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: Smart11344, 1/10/2018 11:17:14 AM     (No. 11505843)

The Beach Boys were truly an American product. They also never claimed they were more popular than Jesus. Brian Wilson was a genius.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 1/10/2018 11:55:38 AM     (No. 11505901)

I´ve made this comment on this forum before.

If you ware to name a song from each group that will be remembered 30 years from now, and I´d say, "Good Vibrations" for the Beach Boys, which I consider the ´Magnum Opus´ of Brian Wilson, but I´d be very hard pressed to name one single song that includes the psycho-babble of John Lennon. Even the Beatles considered the Beach Boys the only real competition they had.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: BeatleJeff, 1/10/2018 12:44:17 PM     (No. 11505949)

Uh, no. And I say this as a fourth cousin to the Wilsons and Mike Love. I do love their music, and it is true that for a short time the Beach Boys output rivalled that of the Fabs for creativity and influence (and their mid-60s singles are arguably better than the Beatles´ from the same period). But after Pet Sounds the quality of their output deteriorated, while the Beatles´ recordings maintained their high quality until The End. Not to mention that the Beatles all played their own instruments with a minimum of outside session players, while the Beach Boys records for the most part were played by the Wrecking Crew, the Beach Boys never being a great live band. Both talented, both highly enjoyable, but The Beatles were better.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Penney, 1/10/2018 12:53:35 PM     (No. 11505955)

Dittos, 31 & 32.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: just another nerd, 1/10/2018 1:40:52 PM     (No. 11506008)

When it comes to music, my opinion is the only one that counts.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: NYbob, 1/10/2018 1:57:34 PM     (No. 11506017)

Let´s settle this once and for all, 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea is simply the best movie ever. It´s the first movie I saw as a kid and I thought wow, movies are amazing, I guess all of them will be this great!

Better bands? LOL, really? You still listen the the play list from that special year in high school? It´s just art, enjoy it and keep moving. As for Tim, well, unh, that´s just your opinion, man.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: Ozwestie, 1/10/2018 5:21:33 PM     (No. 11506175)

I LOVE Heroes & Villains from The Beach Boys.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: Truthfetish, 1/11/2018 5:23:09 AM     (No. 11506529)

I´ll skip the article, but I really enjoyed all the comments here.

Pet Sounds bests every Beatles album.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: franq, 1/11/2018 6:33:45 AM     (No. 11506573)

I will add, however, the "Sail on Sailor" is on my favorites list. Great vibe, great chords.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: zzzghy, 1/11/2018 1:22:52 PM     (No. 11506982)

California Derangement Syndrome is no more viral and deranged anywhere else as it is here.

Bummer, man. Not for us who love living here and thank our stars every day, but for those who hate us so avidly. It comes across like some kind of weird hobby.

Relax. You´re hurting yourself. Open a can of California almonds, pop a bottle of Cali Chardonnay, and watch the sun sink into the ocean or behind our awesome desert mountains under a stunning SoCal sunset.

Oh, wait -- you can´t do that. But two out of three isn´t so bad. At least be grateful for the almonds and wine.

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On the domestic and foreign fronts, the Trump administration has prompted economic growth and restored U.S. deterrence. Polls show increased consumer confidence, and in some, Trump himself has gained ground. Yet good news is bad news to the Resistance and its strange continued efforts to stop an elected president in a way it failed to do in the 2016 election. Indeed, the aim of the so-called Resistance to Donald J. Trump is ending Trump’s presidency by any means necessary before the 2020 election. Or, barring that, it seeks to so delegitimize him that he becomes presidentially impotent. It has been only

Chelsea Clinton´s royal treatment: New book
reveals how her aides studied Kate
Middleton to give her a new image before
giving birth to daughter Charlotte in 2014

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Daily Mail (UK), by Daniel Bates    Original Article
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Chelsea Clinton took inspiration from the Duchess of Cambridge for how to manage the birth of her first child, a new book claims. She and her aides ´studied´ how the British royal family had handled the birth of Prince George in 2013 in order to prepare for her own first baby, who was born a year later. Bill and Hillary Clinton´s only daughter Chelsea, as well as her staff, noted how press was handled and how the Duchess of Cambridge handled herself, and used it as a template for themselves, the book claims. The claim suggests that Chelsea saw herself

Patrick Kennedy Urges
Congress Not to Legalize
‘Addictive’ Marijuana Industry

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PJ Media, by Nicholas Ballasy    Original Article
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WASHINGTON – Former Rep. Patrick Kennedy (D-R.I.) urged Congress not to legalize marijuana, breaking with other members of his party such as Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.). Schumer announced today for the 4/20 cannabis holiday his plan to decriminalize marijuana at the federal level, writing that he had evolved on the issue along with the electorate. Kennedy argued lawmakers should oppose legalization of marijuana, in part because it would worsen the crisis of addiction in America. “The biggest issue here is denial in our lives, those of us who come from homes with alcoholism and addiction, who live with it in our

Sanders to announce proposal
promising jobs to all Americans

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The Hill, by John Bowden    Original Article
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is set to announce a federal jobs proposal that would guarantee a job with at least a $15-per-hour wage and health benefits to every adult American “who wants or needs one,” The Washington Post reports. The senator is still in the early stages of crafting the plan, according to the Post, which would provide a job or required training for any American. Sanders´s office has yet to release the details of the plan´s funding, but previous large-scale projects proposed by the Vermont progressive have involved ending tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans and large corporations.

Michelle Obama can´t wait to have ´pajama
party´ with Prince William and Kate Middleton´s
new baby boy

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Washington Examiner, by Naomi Lim    Original Article
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Former first lady Michelle Obama shared a congratulatory message after Duchess of Cambridge Kate Middleton gave birth Monday to a baby boy, her third child with Prince William. "Barack and I are thrilled to congratulate The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge on their newest arrival!" Obama wrote. "We hope to meet him soon for a Kensington Palace pajama party. I’ll wear my robe!" she added. (Photo) The Obamas met Prince George, the royal couple´s eldest child, at their Kensington Palace residence in London in April 2016. An image of the young royal clad in a robe and pajama pants went viral

Harry Reid: Trump ´is not a nice man’
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Washington Examiner, by Caitlin Yilek    Original Article
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Former Democratic Senate Leader Harry Reid, who was once “hopeful” about President Trump, is not warming up to the commander in chief. Reid still has hurt feelings about Trump mocking the injuries he sustained when an exercise band he was using at home snapped and hit him in the face. Reid fell to the floor, breaking his ribs and bones in his face. He now is blind in one eye. Trump mocked Reid in September 2016 after the Democratic leader commented on Trump’s weight. “[To show] what kind of a person he is, when I injured myself, I couldn’t sleep

Black woman golfer: It was like
we had targets on our backs

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Associated Press, by Staff    Original Article
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YORK, Pa. -- One of five black women golfers who were told to leave a Pennsylvania club said Tuesday it felt like they were playing "with targets on our backs." Representatives of the Grandview Golf Club in York told the group at the second hole they were playing too slowly Saturday, said Sandra Harrison. After the ninth hole, an hour-and-a-half later, the group of white men told them they took too long a break and needed to leave. Harrison said she and two other women left because they were so rattled by the treatment. "It was like we were playing

Jim Acosta says voters too
stupid to grasp Trump ‘act’: ‘Their
elevator might not hit all floors’

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Washington Times, by Douglas Ernst    Original Article
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Reporter Jim Acosta says too many Americans can’t see through President Trump’s “act” because they “don’t have all their faculties.” CNN’s chief White House correspondent and network colleague April Ryan sat down with Variety this week to discuss reporting on the White House in an era of “fake news” accusations. The network duo expressed concern that Mr. Trump and his rhetorical “tentacles” will cause “anarchy” around the globe. “Fake news, by the president saying this, is not just a simply or cute little statement for some,” Ms. Ryan said in a taped interview published Tuesday. “This has tentacles that is


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