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The Beach Boys Are Better Than the Beatles
Real Clear Life, by Tim Sommer

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Posted By:Pluperfect, 1/10/2018 5:03:32 AM

There is music that is clever, inventive and deliberate, full of the arched eyebrows of ingenuity and the sly smile of skill. And then there is music that unchills your heart, music that makes a direct connection with your hopes, dreams, joys, and fears. Reach my heart, then tell me how brilliant you are. This is why, I am quite certain, I prefer Elliot Smith to Paul Simon, Fred Neil to Duncan Sheik, Charles Ives to Leonard Bernstein, the Durutti Column to Dire Straits; these artists created sound and music out of those moments just before tears happen, each of these artists access

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Trigger2, 1/10/2018 5:42:49 AM     (No. 11505425)

I agree. The Beach Boys are/were fantastic. I used to go to the State Fair to listen to their free concerts. Outstanding. After they were no longer featured, I never set foot in the place again.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Dr. Constant, 1/10/2018 5:50:43 AM     (No. 11505427)

Nope.

But then I refuse, where ever possible to use, support or recommend anything from that state of PIAPS worshipers.

I won´t even transit through airports in that godforsaken place.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: franq, 1/10/2018 5:56:10 AM     (No. 11505429)

To each his own. I never got into the whole surf sound thing...

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Reply 4 - Posted by: TexasAllTheWay, 1/10/2018 6:11:51 AM     (No. 11505437)

Brothers. You can´t beat the sound.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: lindamay, 1/10/2018 6:46:42 AM     (No. 11505457)

Yes.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Grant Hodges, 1/10/2018 6:56:30 AM     (No. 11505463)

Good Vibrations.

That´s all you need to say.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 1/10/2018 7:01:48 AM     (No. 11505466)

I grew up in Newport Beach/Huntington Beach actually surfing and listening to Tom Waits, Carlos Santana, Stones, J.Mayall....LedZep.

The Beach Boys were held to be an embarrassment of shallow "Pop" music which kids in Nebraska might buy to catch a taste of some phony beach scene which never existed.

Like Gidget.

Granted...some interesting lyrics but the music is bland, shallow, repetitive pop-trash.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: jhpeters2, 1/10/2018 7:12:18 AM     (No. 11505474)

The Beach Boys are a microcosm of California. Shallow, pretty and poppy filled. Prone to excess and over the years occasionally led/written/composed by a certifiable lunatic.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Lte126, 1/10/2018 7:17:25 AM     (No. 11505479)

Uhhh, ok. Eyeroll.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: erod111, 1/10/2018 7:31:29 AM     (No. 11505492)

Such a long article to promote a band that is on the same one-dimensional level as the BeeGees, and the Stones. In seven years the Beatles created a range of phenomenal music that will be fresh two hundred years from now. The Beatles are the Mozart´s of rock music, everyone else is Salieri.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: rolfnader, 1/10/2018 7:36:28 AM     (No. 11505500)

Typical liberal pap- but what else would we expect? The Beach Boys are to the Beatles what Abba is to the Eagles.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Peaches, 1/10/2018 7:51:56 AM     (No. 11505516)

Yeah....NO.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: sabrajet, 1/10/2018 7:52:46 AM     (No. 11505519)

I agree! I didn´t live in California when the Beach Boys were the thing, but didn´t matter they could sing, play instruments and the music had more going for it then the simple stuff the Beatles put out. I mean, they were ugly (except Paul who looked life a child) dressed funny, all needed to see the sun, and their music was rinky-dink. Got a bit better but the only one that had staying power was Paul´s Yesterday.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: mamafrog, 1/10/2018 7:54:08 AM     (No. 11505521)

No better way to show you are over the hill than arguing over which sixties music group is superior. The sixties were fifty years ago.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: 1976Ag, 1/10/2018 7:55:17 AM     (No. 11505523)

No way, never!

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Reply 16 - Posted by: GO3, 1/10/2018 7:58:28 AM     (No. 11505527)

I grew up listening to the Beatles and the Beach Boys (my first live concert) and all the rest. One point I agree with the author is that once the Beatles and other groups of the British invasion "matured," it became a massive exercise in infecting American youth with typical British quiet desperation.

Musical and lyrical skills aside, optimism and American can-do attitude suffered under the constant bombardment of music reflecting the Brit landscape - depressing, grey, and inner city conflicts ala mods versus rockers (and I´m a huge fan of the Who). In this way, the guy makes a good point.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: StormCnter, 1/10/2018 8:04:50 AM     (No. 11505534)

These debates never end. I´ve read many over the years discussing which man is a better musician: Springsteen or Elvis. I show my own age by declaring Elvis, no contest!

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Reply 18 - Posted by: chicodon, 1/10/2018 8:08:51 AM     (No. 11505538)

The Beatles and Beach Boys were fans of each other.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Clinger, 1/10/2018 8:49:31 AM     (No. 11505579)

I think that there is an argument to be made that some groups kept their focus on pleasing the consumer mass appeal while others seemed to be more focused on out doing their fellow musicians. Then there are the Beatles, Jimmy Hendrix and a few others that couldn´t help but advance the state of art through sheer creative genius, and perhaps a tinge of chemical fortification.

To argue one over the other is simply ridiculous, it all boils down to individual taste. Personally I respect those with the conviction and courage to do their own thing and resist the mass marketing model that has become pervasive. Doesn´t mean I like it all. I´m just glad I outlived disco, it was touch and go for a while.





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Reply 20 - Posted by: kate318, 1/10/2018 8:54:44 AM     (No. 11505586)

I always liked The Beach Boys, but #10 says it all.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: dvc, 1/10/2018 9:16:45 AM     (No. 11505629)

409, Dead Man´s Curve, The Little Old Lady from Pasadena were among my teen favorites - lots of car songs when I was very into cars. Surfing...not so much in Fla, not a lot of waves.

Good music, stands the test of time. And they didn´t go Commie like Lennon, or druggie like Harrison.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: MDConservative, 1/10/2018 9:20:52 AM     (No. 11505638)

Glenn Miller or Benny Goodman? Now, for my money, Guy Lombardo...

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Reply 23 - Posted by: web, 1/10/2018 9:31:04 AM     (No. 11505658)

I don´t care which one was "better." They both had good music. Much better than anything you hear today, and at least it was music... unlike rap.

The beatles... too many notes. /s I still listen to Don´t Worry Baby and Dance, Dance, Dance. The Beach Boys played at Cuptertino High in 1965(?) and I saw the Beatles at the Cow Palace in 1960 something. Both were great. So long ago...

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Reply 24 - Posted by: hicokid, 1/10/2018 9:45:20 AM     (No. 11505690)

#18 has the correct answer.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: kayworthy, 1/10/2018 9:48:07 AM     (No. 11505697)

Can´t stand John Lennon.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: earlybird, 1/10/2018 10:07:47 AM     (No. 11505724)

I too grew up in California. The beach was our scene. And the Beach Boys were never intended to be gidgety or something to impress kids in Nebraska. They were local music for local audiences that caught on in , was not forced upon, other areas. They did play real music. Had a great sound.

Some of the Beatles music was very good. Much of it was not. They were a Brit fad and some Americans are very wowed by anything Brit.

So different. Apples and oranges. Very American vs. Very Brit. Comparisons sound rather pretentious, as though those doing the comparing were the Ultimate Authorities.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Hazymac, 1/10/2018 10:08:28 AM     (No. 11505725)

Comparisons are odious. Paul McCartney and Brian Wilson were born two days apart (June 18 and 20, 1942), and each influenced the other heavily. Each one to this day loves and admires the other. They´re friends. The Beatles´ Rubber Soul (1965) moved Brian to produce his masterwork: Pet Sounds (1966), which in turn led the Beatles to their magnificent Sergeant Pepper´s (1967). After the single "Good Vibrations" (1966) Wilson set out to complete Smile, which was to have been his masterpiece album, but drugs and mental illness got in the way. Having to compete creatively, all by himself, with Lennon and McCartney was too tough a nut to crack, so he cracked.

Over the past half century I have probably listened to Brian´s Pet Sounds over 1,000 times. It still holds up magnificently. What a beautiful record it is! Not too many years ago on one trip from his 183 acre Kintyre Peninsula farm in Scotland to London, and back, McCartney spent all his driving time listening to Pet Sounds and Sergeant Peppers, and he liked what he heard. The music is still vital all these years later.

But to compare the Beach Boys´ artistic achievements, as great as they were, to the Beatles variegated catalogue is rather absurd.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: fayebeck, 1/10/2018 10:21:20 AM     (No. 11505751)

Feels as if I´m reading Allan Bloom´s Closing of the American Mind.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: WV.Hillbilly, 1/10/2018 10:38:33 AM     (No. 11505781)

#21
Dead Man´s Curve and The Little Old Lady from Pasadena were Jan & Dean songs.

And by the early 70´s, the Beach Boys, like the Beatles, were basically done, achievement wise.


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Reply 30 - Posted by: columba, 1/10/2018 10:55:32 AM     (No. 11505802)

This original article was the only one I read this morning. It is a breath of fresh air.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: vinegrower, 1/10/2018 10:57:40 AM     (No. 11505810)

I also grew up in California. Was a wonderful place in 50´s and 60´s. Was never a big fan of the Beatles. My choice of music was Motown. By the way #23 I think the Beatles were at the Cow Palace in 1964.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: Smart11344, 1/10/2018 11:17:14 AM     (No. 11505843)

The Beach Boys were truly an American product. They also never claimed they were more popular than Jesus. Brian Wilson was a genius.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 1/10/2018 11:55:38 AM     (No. 11505901)

I´ve made this comment on this forum before.

If you ware to name a song from each group that will be remembered 30 years from now, and I´d say, "Good Vibrations" for the Beach Boys, which I consider the ´Magnum Opus´ of Brian Wilson, but I´d be very hard pressed to name one single song that includes the psycho-babble of John Lennon. Even the Beatles considered the Beach Boys the only real competition they had.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: BeatleJeff, 1/10/2018 12:44:17 PM     (No. 11505949)

Uh, no. And I say this as a fourth cousin to the Wilsons and Mike Love. I do love their music, and it is true that for a short time the Beach Boys output rivalled that of the Fabs for creativity and influence (and their mid-60s singles are arguably better than the Beatles´ from the same period). But after Pet Sounds the quality of their output deteriorated, while the Beatles´ recordings maintained their high quality until The End. Not to mention that the Beatles all played their own instruments with a minimum of outside session players, while the Beach Boys records for the most part were played by the Wrecking Crew, the Beach Boys never being a great live band. Both talented, both highly enjoyable, but The Beatles were better.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Penney, 1/10/2018 12:53:35 PM     (No. 11505955)

Dittos, 31 & 32.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: just another nerd, 1/10/2018 1:40:52 PM     (No. 11506008)

When it comes to music, my opinion is the only one that counts.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: NYbob, 1/10/2018 1:57:34 PM     (No. 11506017)

Let´s settle this once and for all, 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea is simply the best movie ever. It´s the first movie I saw as a kid and I thought wow, movies are amazing, I guess all of them will be this great!

Better bands? LOL, really? You still listen the the play list from that special year in high school? It´s just art, enjoy it and keep moving. As for Tim, well, unh, that´s just your opinion, man.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: Ozwestie, 1/10/2018 5:21:33 PM     (No. 11506175)

I LOVE Heroes & Villains from The Beach Boys.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: Truthfetish, 1/11/2018 5:23:09 AM     (No. 11506529)

I´ll skip the article, but I really enjoyed all the comments here.

Pet Sounds bests every Beatles album.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: franq, 1/11/2018 6:33:45 AM     (No. 11506573)

I will add, however, the "Sail on Sailor" is on my favorites list. Great vibe, great chords.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: zzzghy, 1/11/2018 1:22:52 PM     (No. 11506982)

California Derangement Syndrome is no more viral and deranged anywhere else as it is here.

Bummer, man. Not for us who love living here and thank our stars every day, but for those who hate us so avidly. It comes across like some kind of weird hobby.

Relax. You´re hurting yourself. Open a can of California almonds, pop a bottle of Cali Chardonnay, and watch the sun sink into the ocean or behind our awesome desert mountains under a stunning SoCal sunset.

Oh, wait -- you can´t do that. But two out of three isn´t so bad. At least be grateful for the almonds and wine.

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The Daily Caller journalist Chuck Ross has some extremely interesting information released today surrounding former top FBI Counterintelligence Agent Peter Strzok and DOJ/FBI liaison attorney Lisa Page which includes a disclosure by top FBI officials that text messages between Strzok and Page have gone missing. (Snip) According to information relayed to Senator Ron Johnson, the period of time the FBI has “lost” is from December 14th, 2016 to May 17th, 2017, the exact day that Special Counsel Robert Mueller was assigned to lead the Russia collusion probe. As CTH has previously outlined the same “small group” inside the DOJ and FBI,

Congress seeks answers after FBI
claims texts missing in Trump-Russia probe

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Washington Examiner, by Byron York    Original Article
Posted By: Drive- 1/21/2018 10:58:14 PM     Post Reply
Investigators in both House and Senate were stunned late Friday when, receiving a batch of newly-released texts between FBI officials Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, they also received notice from the bureau that the FBI "failed to preserve" Strzok-Page messages from December 14, 2016 through May 17, 2017. Given the amount of texting that went on between Strzok and Page, who were having an extramarital affair, that probably meant thousands of missing documents. A number of critical events in the Trump-Russia affair occurred between December 2016 and May 2017, including: Conversations between Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn and Russian ambassador Sergey

What´s next in the investigation
of those missing FBI texts

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Washington Examiner, by Byron York    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 1/23/2018 5:06:27 AM     Post Reply
Congressional investigators believe they are barely beginning to answer the questions raised by the text messages between the FBI´s Peter Strzok and Lisa Page. For several reasons: 1) Strzok and Page were more prolific texters than anyone knew. In a statement late Monday, Attorney General Jeff Sessions said FBI investigators have found "over 50,000 texts" in their review of Strzok-Page communications. 2) Even with all those texts, the FBI says it cannot find the couple´s messages between Dec. 14, 2016, and May 17, 2017 — a critical time in the Trump-Russia affair. It´s probably safe to say there is not a single

Breaking: New Texts From Anti-Trump FBI
Agents Mention A ´SECRET SOCIETY´

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Daily Wire, by Ryan Saavedra    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 1/22/2018 10:46:17 PM     Post Reply
New text messages from anti-Trump FBI agents reviewed by investigators reportedly make reference to a "secret society," in what could be the nail in the coffin for special counsel Robert Mueller´s Russia investigation. Investigators have reviewed 50,000 text messages on FBI servers looking for all exchanges between anti-Trump FBI agent Peter Strzok and FBI lawyer Lisa Page during the 2016 election, Fox News reported. The revelation comes as investigators are seeking the whereabouts of approximately five months´ worth of text messages between Page and Strzok. House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy told Fox News on Monday that one

Schumer: GOP Has ´Forgotten
the Lessons of the Founding
Fathers´ by Not Compromising

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PJ Media, by Nicholas Ballasy    Original Article
Posted By: Hazymac- 1/21/2018 9:00:56 PM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON – Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) called the government shutdown a “manufactured crisis” created by Democrats who want a permanent Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) fix, which he referred to as a “non-emergency” issue that does not belong in the short-term spending bill to continue federal government operations. “The one non-emergency issue our friends on the other side of the aisle are trying to shoehorn into this discussion doesn’t reach that status of emergency until March. This is pure folly. The American people know so, that´s why in a recent survey a majority said keeping the government open

California Democrats want some businesses
to fork over half tax-cut savings to state

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Fox News, by Edmund DeMarche     Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 1/22/2018 12:27:25 PM     Post Reply
Calling the Trump administration’s tax reform plan a “middle-class tax increase,” two California lawmakers introduced a bill that would force large companies to fork over half of their expected savings to the state. Assemblymen Kevin McCarty and Phil Ting, both Democrats, introduced Assembly Constitutional Amendment 22, which calls for a 10 percent surcharge on companies with a net earnings over $1 million. The plan could potentially raise billions for the state´s social services programs. “It is unconscionable to force working families to pay the price for tax breaks and loopholes benefiting corporations and wealthy individuals,” Ting said in a statement,

Chuck Schumer: ´We will vote
today to reopen the government´

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Washington Examiner, by Susan Ferrechio    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 1/22/2018 12:36:55 PM     Post Reply
The Senate on Monday was set to hold a successful vote to reopen the federal government, after Senate Democrats agreed to let the bill through even though it doesn´t include immigration language they are seeking. "We will vote today to reopen the government to continue negotiating a global agreement," Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said on the floor. Under the bill up to be called up, the government would be fully funded through Feb. 8, and it would fund the Children´s Health Insurance Program for six years. It would also reopen the government, which has been partially closed since midnight

´It´s time to address the "poor me"
routine´: Megyn Kelly RIPS Jane Fonda for
her outrage over a plastic surgery question
before attacking ´Hanoi Jane´ for still ´not
being proud of America´ as she brings*

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Daily Mail (UK), by Chris Spargo    Original Article
Posted By: zephyrgirl- 1/22/2018 12:56:56 PM     Post Reply
It has been four months since Megyn Kelly earned the wrath and ire of Jane Fonda for asking the 80-year-old actress about her plastic surgery, and the NBC host is now responding to the backlash. That moment occurred during Kelly´s third episode when she asked the Oscar-winner about what work she had done in the past, which prompted a steely Fonda to stare Kelly down and ask: ´We really want to talk about that now?´ Since then Fonda has complained about the question to a number of outlets, and even mocked Kelly´s question on Today last week during an interview


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