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How can you be Christian without
caring for the poor?

Los Angeles Times, by James Martin

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Posted By:Maggie2u, 12/24/2017 2:04:52 PM

The minuscule Galilean town in which Joseph and Mary spent their lives and raised their son Jesus was, quite literally, a joke. “Can anything good come from Nazareth?” asked one disciple, when he heard where the Messiah was from. Some scholars posit that this was a popular saying in the first century. In any event, Nazareth was on the fringes of the Roman Empire. Roman roads avoided it until the second century. Jesus came from a backwater of a backwater; he and his mother and father, the figures at the heart of the Christmas story, were most likely considered throwaway

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Heil Liberals, 12/24/2017 2:25:59 PM     (No. 11489975)

Without throwing a strike, the good father has eluded to the question that plagues us today: Whose duty is it to care for the poor?

Since 1932 the answer has more and more become government. Government, led by progressive Democrats, have decided that government is the best conduit to provide for the poor... in exchange for votes. Nothing the government does is out of compassion for fellow man. Everything government does is about allotting resources based on who it chooses as winners and losers. It is clear that progressives have chosen the poor as the means of popular power by keeping them on a plantation of poverty, violence, and hopelessness. They have decided that the winners are the corporatists who pine away at the doors of power, lavishing money and material on those 535 men and women who decide the fate of trillions of dollars of spending.

Charity and compassion for the poor used to be the realm of churches, civic groups, and individuals both rich and not so rich. My hope - my prayer - is that we can get back to that, eliminate the almost one trillion dollars that government wastes each year on entitlements, and bring a sense of freedom, dignity, and security to those that the government keeps on the plantation of desperation they created.

Merry Christmas, and God bless Americans.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: bhkat, 12/24/2017 2:27:05 PM     (No. 11489976)

Charity is different than having the government put a gun to your head for a "donation" of which most goes to the thing holding the gun to your head.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 12/24/2017 2:34:57 PM     (No. 11489987)

Jesus was born in Bethlehem, which is quite significant, as it was where David was a shepherd for his family. Scripture includes the prophecy that Bethlehem would be the birthplace of the promised Messiah 400 years later in Micah 5:2.
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Joseph was not a poor man and possibly owned a prosperous carpentry business. He was much older than Mary, as it was the custom for a man to be established in life before taking on the responsibility of marriage and family.
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After one of the disciples chastised the ´waste´ of precious perfume applied to the Lord´s feet, as it could have been sold and the money given to the poor. Jesus responded, "For you always have the poor with you; but you do not always have Me." (Matt 26:11)
If there were ever going to be a "poverty" message intro, it was then. Christians are the flock of Christ, and our Good Shepherd takes care of His flock.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: synchronicity, 12/24/2017 2:36:02 PM     (No. 11489991)

The poor you will always have with you - and which shows more care to a poor person, teaching them to fish or keeping them poor in exchange for a fish and their vote? I don´t believe there were any political strings tied to those loaves and fishes that were multiplied and handed out to all present regardless of their economic status.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: droopydog, 12/24/2017 2:37:21 PM     (No. 11489993)

Yes, and we all know what a great job our tax money does in caring for the poor...housing projects that quickly become crime ridden slums, single mother households which mass produce felons, blood running (literally) in the streets of inner cities. What would Jesus do? Certainly not that.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: FormerDem, 12/24/2017 2:46:36 PM     (No. 11490001)

And how can you care for the poor without noticing and caring that your stupid idiotic Democratic programs make things worse? That cities with rent control have more people sleeping on the street? That welfare breaks up families? That immigration makes it harder for our citizens, the weakest ones, to find and keep jobs? Why do you judge yourself on good intentions if it is the poor you care about? By your fruits you will know them, not by their rhetoric.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: FormerDem, 12/24/2017 2:50:01 PM     (No. 11490003)

That municipal shelters terrify fragile women? that Obamacare was going to drive the old to feel useless till they asked for the needle in the arm? Don´t lie. You knew that was the plan. That women often do regret their abortions, and that feminists give them no space for it? That liberal men are predators? Why haven´t you noticed any of that, if you care? Because you are in love with yourself in the mirror, is why, Narcissus, and nobody else shows up in the image, not really.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: FormerDem, 12/24/2017 2:53:28 PM     (No. 11490004)

That African American leadership is ineffective and largely a wicked group? That the Democratic party aimed to oppress Catholics, oh, yes they did, and to close down our hospitals and our schools, you know that. That your party is anti-Semitic, to its heart, and the fact most Jews belong to it is part of their tragedy and is no excuse for the party´s actual direction.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: bkt23, 12/24/2017 2:58:10 PM     (No. 11490007)

Conflating higher taxes with charity is a terribly damaging and foolish thing to do. Charity is on an individual level and yes, we should do what we can to help those in need.

Abdicating our responsibility to help those near us who are in need to the government is a disgrace.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Bubby, 12/24/2017 2:59:22 PM     (No. 11490008)

Well when the governments, Federal and State, seize more than half of your earnings in so called taxes it´s difficult to be very charitable. Especially if you are just making ends meet. The Democrats want the Feds to control all caring for the poor so they will vote for them. Most Democrats will tell you that paying taxes is their charity giving. That needs to change.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Penney, 12/24/2017 2:59:31 PM     (No. 11490009)

History records societies´ changes for the better due to the Christians benevolences and the Wisdom of our Judeo-Christian heritage throughout the past two millenniums. Authentic Christians are known for their love which results in reaching out to help all people possible, as Jesus directed Christians to do, because God so loves he world.

Those who are trying to deny these truths are ignoring history and the current acts of love by individual Christians and their authentic Christian organizations compassionate outreach throughout the world, in which each nation as its own laws which must be respected.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: NYbob, 12/24/2017 3:06:33 PM     (No. 11490018)

It usually is difficult and unpleasant to be poor, that´s why it used to be such a gift to be born in the USA. We used to work on a meritocracy where someone not afflicted with mental illness or a debilitating handicap, could make something of themselves. Maybe they would not get to where they wanted to be, but they could build a special launching pad for their kids. Millions did just that, but liberal democrats realized they could cultivate generations of dependents who would rather be complaining parasites than do the work required to get the independence they expect government to give them. One of the key enablers of this sad victimhood has been the church, who somehow finds itself with more than a few leaders who live a pretty good life.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Baxter1, 12/24/2017 3:07:28 PM     (No. 11490019)

Beware of Fr. Martin. He is part of the church’s gay mafia and a real piece of work.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: MDConservative, 12/24/2017 3:45:39 PM     (No. 11490043)

Wha are the poor these days? Women who sleep around and bear children to multiple fathers, who provide no support because 1) society doesn´t demand any, and 2) the state writes vouchers and hands out EBT cards? The children supported by various nutritional, social and educational programs? (Check out how much one year of public education costs in your community.) It´s not like society is taking away the poors´ cell phones, air conditioning, or flat screens. "Poverty" keeps millions out of poverty - mainly that army of bureaucrats, social workers, educators, program specialists, and "community activists". Every good cause becomes a scam...including "charity."


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Reply 15 - Posted by: columba, 12/24/2017 3:54:16 PM     (No. 11490050)

Caring for poor people is a choice, as is Christianity itself. No one is forced to care and no one is forced to be a Christian.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: dvc, 12/24/2017 4:04:54 PM     (No. 11490056)

When the government takes money at gunpoint and gives it away, they are not charitable, they are thieves buying votes with stolen money.

When I give directly to people, that is actual charity.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Udanja99, 12/24/2017 4:08:30 PM     (No. 11490059)

Well, since the Catholic Church is the single biggest charitable organization on the planet, and I attend mass every Sunday and put a check in the basket, I must be a Christian.

Having my hard earned income forcibly taken from me via taxes and given to people who sit on their arses and don’t work is a form of slavery. I do believe that Christianity has a thing or two to say about slavery.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: BigGeorgeTX, 12/24/2017 4:11:35 PM     (No. 11490060)

As a Christian, I want to retain the power to decide who I will help. Giving it to the government will allow them to decide, often giving it to those who completely contradict our teachings. I firmly believe that clergy who intentionally muddle God´s word will stand to a severe judgment on the last day.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: citizen, 12/24/2017 5:51:13 PM     (No. 11490117)

Men standing on a corner begging for booze money..no. A struggling working human..yes.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: franq, 12/24/2017 6:01:24 PM     (No. 11490120)

Being poor pays pretty well. Especially with a few illegitimate kids thrown in. Sorry, but when my pastor mentions the poor, my hackles go up. Make a quick statement, no development, then on to the next bullet point. Cynical, yes. I´m tired. Merry Christmas, y´all...

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Reply 21 - Posted by: chumley, 12/24/2017 6:26:11 PM     (No. 11490132)

And what about the professional poor? Am I required to care for them? They make a lifetime of poor choices and dont have any incentive to improve, because someone always bails them out. They get government checks, then make the rounds of all the churches and food pantries to fill their cupboards.
I used to fall into the guilt trip when I was young. I would give whatever extra we had to someone who had less, only to find out it was a big fat scam. No more. I help my own and sometimes others when I find them worthy. Its not often.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: viking diver, 12/24/2017 7:56:20 PM     (No. 11490173)

If a man will not work he should not eat.
we were commanded to take care of orphans and widows... (women over child bearing age) and children were considered to be adults at age 13 although they were still apprentices to their parents.
this is the Biblical model. Widows were to be taken care of by the husbands family until they could be married by one of the brothers or a kinsman redeemer.
We have fallen a long way from true caring. what we are doing now is just given them a reason to hate us because they want more reparations without having to work for it.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: curious1, 12/24/2017 8:02:28 PM     (No. 11490175)

And let us not forget that there is not a single clause in the constitution authorizing the fedgov to steal money from taxpayers and give it to whomever they deem ´needy´. Not constitutional, at all.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Axeman, 12/24/2017 8:22:03 PM     (No. 11490187)

Everyone here gets it! There is more hope than I thought!
It seems like common sense, so one has to wonder what the real game is.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: pensom2, 12/24/2017 9:32:48 PM     (No. 11490214)

If we´re having difficulty caring for the poor in the USA, why is the Catholic Church encouraging more illegal immigration from impoverished countries? Why not help the poor where they are?

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Reply 26 - Posted by: MissMann, 12/24/2017 9:54:51 PM     (No. 11490218)

Charity transforms the giver and the receiver. Government "programs" steal that from both. It´s an evil destroying the world--just as it is meant to do.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Zarin, 12/24/2017 9:56:21 PM     (No. 11490219)

True Charity is very personal:
If ye meet the abased or the downtrodden, turn not away disdainfully from them, for the King of Glory ever watcheth over them and surroundeth them with such tenderness as none can fathom except them that have suffered their wishes and desires to be merged in the Will of your Lord, the Gracious, the All-Wise. O ye rich ones of the earth! Flee not from the face of the poor that lieth in the dust, nay rather befriend him and suffer him to recount the tale of the woes with which God’s inscrutable Decree hath caused him to be afflicted. By the righteousness of God! Whilst ye consort with him, the Concourse on high will be looking upon you, will be interceding for you, will be extolling your names and glorifying your action. Blessed are the learned that pride not themselves on their attainments; and well is it with the righteous that mock not the sinful, but rather conceal their misdeeds, so that their own shortcomings may remain veiled to men’s eyes.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Trigger2, 12/24/2017 11:47:42 PM     (No. 11490280)

Who wrote this stupid article? The poor in this country get free housing, free food, free phones, free health care, free money, free heat, free a/c, free money from the feds when filing a return even though they don´t pay a single cent in income tax, etc. I´d say the poor are cared enough. Libtards stoke up the so-called poor to get them to demand more freebees by electing libtards.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: bmw50, 12/25/2017 12:27:05 AM     (No. 11490291)

This is just another attempt, from the Left, to take the moral high ground over the right. And typical with the Left, it is totally based on emotion with no facts, logic reasoning, truth or reality.
The truth is, the Left has created a welfare state because it enslaves people to their programs.
Charity is based on love, and there is no love, when Politicians force people to pay for their programs, skim their portion off the top and give what´s left over to people enslaved to their programs.
That is evil and Jesus is not evil!!!

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Reply 30 - Posted by: Ribald1, 12/25/2017 12:56:32 AM     (No. 11490294)

´Poor´ gets defined upward every year.
Much of the world dream of living like our ´poor´ do.
This country does more than any other country on earth, but it will never be enough as the definition of ´poor´ will just rise until it is above what we are doing.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: Muguy, 12/25/2017 9:18:44 AM     (No. 11490434)

A friend of mine is a missionary.

There are lots of people go on mission trips and do wonderful things for people like build churches, schools, buildings, water wells and share the Gospel message.

His group not only does this, but with one big difference--his group shows them how to make a living for themselves and those in their community how to make a living so they can provide for themselves and lift their families OUT OF POVERTY.

When there are no strong, they cannot help the weak. This is true spiritually and economically.

If there are none strong and wise, the situation does not improve and people are reduced to whatever handouts they get or it burdens the soul to do unspeakable things just to survive.

The Church has long had missions to help the poor and down and out. The politics of government has a way of corrupting the soul and perverting the role of government.

Ignorance and poverty can be overcome. Socialism has never worked in thousands of years, because there are always a few ruling over and taking advantage of the rest.

We have to go beyond giving a man a fish and truly lift them up spiritually and out of poverty. Those are not lessons the media will promote these days--the people are going to have to take back that resonsibillity.

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Mitt Romney took a swipe at Donald Trump on Monday, condemning the crude comments the president was said to have made about Haiti and African countries -- calling them “inconsistent (with) America’s history and antithetical to American values” with a reference to Martin Luther King, Jr. The poverty of an aspiring immigrant’s nation of origin is as irrelevant as their race,” Romney tweeted. “The sentiment attributed to POTUS is inconsistent w/America’s history and antithetical to American values. May our memory of Dr. King buoy our hope for unity, greatness, & ‘charity for all.’”

NAACP Says MLK’s Vision
Can’t Be Achieved Without
Fighting Global Warming

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Daily Caller, by Michael Bastasch    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 1/15/2018 2:12:09 PM     Post Reply
This Martin Luther King, Jr. Day, the NAACP wants man-made global warming to be seen as a civil rights issue, arguing King’s vision of a society free of racial injustice can’t be achieved without addressing warming. “We see climate change as a civil rights issue,” Jacqueline Patterson, head of the NAACP’s environmental and climate justice program, said in an online radio spot for the Yale Center for Environmental Connection. Environmental activists have been increasingly framing global warming as a matter of “environmental justice,” since “minority and low-income populations are disproportionately affected by global warming,” Patterson told Yale’s online radio Climate

Now We Know Who´s Really A Genius
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Jewish World Review, by Alicia Colon    Original Article
Posted By: Toledo- 1/16/2018 6:52:04 AM     Post Reply
Ever since Donald Trump entered the political arena, his intelligence has been viciously attacked and his supporters have been labeled as moronic deplorables. In a recent Trump tweet, the president responded to the most recent attack by saying he is a stable genius. The mainstream media never bothered checking evidence of Obama´s intelligence before one historian declared him "the smartest man with the highest IQ ever to be elected to the presidency", even though his academic records were sealed. What these attacks do prove is who the real brains are and who are the dummies: Alan Dershowitz may be for real

Shocking moment 20-person brawl breaks
out at pizza restaurant over missing
iPhone... which was in lost and
found the whole time

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Daily Mail [UK], by Khaleda Rahman    Original Article
Posted By: Attercliffe- 1/15/2018 7:26:52 AM     Post Reply
This is the shocking moment a massive brawl broke out in a California pizza restaurant over a missing iPhone that turned out to have been in the lost and found the whole time. Police were called to John´s Incredible Pizza Company in Newark´s NewPark Mall on Saturday night after violence erupted. It broke out after a girl missing her phone had approached a group to see if they´d seen it but quickly descended into chaos, with video showing two large groups of people exchanging blows and screaming at each other. Newark police officers had to call in officers from the Fremont Police Department

Fifth Dem announces plan to boycott
Trump´s State of the Union

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The Hill, by Olivia Beavers    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 1/15/2018 6:11:38 PM     Post Reply
Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) on Monday announced she plans to boycott President Trump´s State of the Union address to Congress at the end of the month, joining a handful of other Democratic lawmakers who are skipping the annual event. "I´m here on Martin Luther King Jr. Day to say I will not be going to the State of the Union," Jayapal said in a video posted on social media. "I think it is absolutely unacceptable to see the racism and the hatred coming out the White House in a way in which this president is fueling the flames of divisiveness across

Kasich’s hounding of Trump suggests
Republican primary challenge in 2020

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Washington Times, by Seth McLaughlin    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 1/16/2018 12:43:21 PM     Post Reply
From his perch in the Ohio governor’s mansion, Republican John Kasich is keeping a keen eye on President Trump’s every move and showing a willingness — some say eagerness — to hurl rotten tomatoes toward the leader of his party when he gets upset with the act.He has become a go-to anti-Trump source for the media and often doesn’t even wait for the press to call. Instead, he leaps in to pile on after presidential missteps.While insisting he wants Mr. Trump to succeed, Mr. Kasich has pointedly refused to rule out mounting a primary challenge against the president in 2020.

Incoming N.J. governor plans a swing
to the left — and a model for the country

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Washington Post, by David Weigel    Original Article
Posted By: NorthernDog- 1/15/2018 1:49:49 PM     Post Reply
TRENTON, N.J. — Days before his inauguration as New Jersey’s 56th governor, Phil Murphy had Hollywood on his mind. The 60-year old Democrat had just read a headline about reshoots on “All the Money in the World,” which had been done in a hurry to remove disgraced actor Kevin Spacey from the movie. (Snip) Murphy is ready to end his obscurity. On Tuesday, when he is sworn in, New Jersey will become one of just eight states where Democrats run every branch of government. If Murphy has his way, New Jersey will become a proving ground for every liberal policy

Democrats ramp up efforts to boycott
Trump´s State of the Union address

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Fox News, by Barnini Chakraborty    Original Article
Posted By: M2- 1/15/2018 11:05:28 AM     Post Reply
Florida Rep. Frederica Wilson added her name to a growing list of Democratic lawmakers who say they are fed up with President Trump and will boycott his State of the Union address at the end of the month. (snip) “For the first time since I began serving in the U.S. House of Representatives, I will not be attending the president’s State of the Union address,” Wilson said in a statement late Sunday. “I have no doubts that instead of delivering a message of inclusivity and an agenda that benefits all Americans, President Trump’s address will be full of innuendo, empty

Jeb Bush backs Romney
for Utah Senate run

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Hill, by Olivia Beavers    Original Article
Posted By: tisHimself- 1/16/2018 6:23:47 AM     Post Reply
Former Gov. Jeb Bush (R-Fla.) on Monday threw his support behind former GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney, who is reportedly weighing a Senate run in Utah. Mitt would make a phenomenal addition to the U.S. Senate. I hope he runs. https://t.co/3Vcg6txQmN — Jeb Bush (@JebBush) January 15, 2018 Bush´s endorsement on Twitter comes shortly after Romney criticized President Trump for reportedly describing African nations, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole countries" during a meeting with lawmakers on immigration reform last week.


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