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The downside of the #MeToo movement
starting to dawn on women

American Thinker, by Thomas Lifson

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Posted By:magnante, 12/11/2017 9:28:15 AM

The rules of interaction between women and men in the workplace have been changed with a suddenness that inevitably produces unforeseen negative consequences, no matter how positive and necessary the switch might be. (snip) With the stakes so high, given the presumption of female veracity and male culpability anytime an objection is raised, men are, frankly, terrified. Get used to it, ladies. That is the other side of the coin of the new normal. The old norms that men (often cluelessly) incorporated into their behavior now have been discarded, but we have no clear understanding of what should replace them. By

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Throwback, 12/11/2017 9:46:58 AM     (No. 11477375)

Yep. I met my wife twenty-seven years ago at work. These days, I would not have placed myself in the position to where we would be in the same room alone together.

Workplace aside, from a sociological standpoint, the real shame is that the rules of courtship have been upended. Men are supposed to make the first move. The operative word being "move." What are they supposed to do now? Make the move and be accused of assault? Or, ask permission in which case they are accused of being a perv? "May I cross the space between us and...?"

Liberals ruin everything.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Aubreyesque, 12/11/2017 9:48:50 AM     (No. 11477379)

To paraphrase Julia Roberts (that paragon of virtue, may her fish mouth be ever gaping) : "you can find the words [insert name of Hollywood actress] in the dictionary between the words ´bed´ and ´Weinstein´."

Any time those slags get in our faces with their hypocritical posturing and faux outrage we need to throw it back at them three time. SO SICK of Hollywood acting like they are superior to us while begging for money because they look good in front of a camera."

Hollywood hates Americans. My fellow Americans, hate them back. Theyre too stupid to understand anything else.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: sabrajet, 12/11/2017 9:53:23 AM     (No. 11477381)

Let me give the "clueless" men a bit of advice-just don´t make remarks you would not want anyone to say to your sister or daughter. Saying that´s a nice dress should never get you in trouble unless your HR department is run by the women of NOW. The salesmen who want to show me dirty Christmas cards or the man who thinks rubbing my shoulders with out asking -are too dumb to ever know what to do. There are some crazy women out there-but most women are not. Tell me I look good any time!

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Reply 4 - Posted by: happy conservative, 12/11/2017 9:53:59 AM     (No. 11477383)

Have two twenty-something sons. This stuff is terrifying when only accusations, never proof is the new norm. If a woman is irritated you did or didn´t do what she wanted/expected, you could be in trouble--in or out of the workplace.

What happened to due process, a man´s day in court. Nope, liberals screw up everything they touch--it all turns to dung.

Btw, anybody else a little perturbed that people don´t check their spelling before publishing stuff, I mean "professionals"?There are at least two spelling errors in this piece.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: 0658, 12/11/2017 9:59:15 AM     (No. 11477387)

The days of mentoring women in the workplace are over. Treating them as peers and helping them is a bygone era. Being alone in a workplace environment with them is a chance that men should not take.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: fayebeck, 12/11/2017 10:02:04 AM     (No. 11477393)

Now men are supposed to guess rightly which woman is receptive to his "clueless" overtures? Women are the first group of people that I know of, who give up being on a pedestal to be equal with pigs. I will never understand the "cute" working of a woman´s brain and I do not care to try.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: joew9, 12/11/2017 10:02:49 AM     (No. 11477395)

The truth is feminist don´t want men to interact with women. They are opposed to child birth. Their policies seem geared to ending the human race and sometimes they even let it slip that that is their outright plan.

It became the norm after Anita Hill that you can´t date co-workers. At my workplace it was a firing offence to do so. And one couple dating on the sly, finally decided to get married, so one of them had to find another employer. What a stupid rule.

Then they started the whole thing at college. You couldn´t date a coed unless you had a contract. That left the only place to find a date would be church and smoky bars. I´m sure they are hunting for a way to stop that too.


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Reply 8 - Posted by: fayebeck, 12/11/2017 10:03:46 AM     (No. 11477396)

Forgot to add. Now all you women write that "I am not that way and that you love men telling you that you are not ugly".

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Tusker, 12/11/2017 10:04:38 AM     (No. 11477400)

No amount of “harassment training” mitigates the reality that women now have carte blanch to accuse a man of anything for any reason and the man is considered guilty ... period...end of story.

Welcome to the insane asylum.



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Reply 10 - Posted by: Jethro bo, 12/11/2017 10:06:54 AM     (No. 11477403)

In my profession, I have women make passes all the time. Its OK, legally, for them to do that and I don´t find it to be some legal catastrophe others seem to think it is. Sure, its different when a man gets proposition at work. And men are not suppose to be offended by women´s sexual comments or actions (like being a married man invited to a woman´s lingerie shower). I still work with these women and think nothing of it. But if I look cross-eyed at one of these women, I´m fired. Needless to say, my attitude towards women in the work place is they are a threat to my career and well being and I do all I can to avoid even a hint of impopriety. And if opportunities for their career advancement are limited, so be it. I will not sacrifice my employment and my family for some feminist withch hunt.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: tnorling, 12/11/2017 10:19:38 AM     (No. 11477416)

Women have used their wiles to attract men since the beginning of time. Some? Many? of the women making these allegations deserve to be scorned. You can´t have strength and equality and be a quivering mass of vulnerability at the same time. Some of these gals accepted the casting couch, feel a bit humiliated, and are now back for a little revenge. Simple enough but not very admirable.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: msjena, 12/11/2017 10:21:00 AM     (No. 11477418)

Yep. I´d be surprised if Judge Kocinski hires another female law clerk. In the end, this will end up setting women back.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: wilarrbie, 12/11/2017 10:25:06 AM     (No. 11477421)

I wonder if with all the sensitivity training to ensue, they will consider telling women to simply stand up for themselves at the first notion of unwanted attention. "Excuse me,sir. It´s possible I´m misunderstanding you, but you are making me uncomfortable. Can we get back to business?" That alone should clear up any misgivings and indicate her resistance to anything other than business proposals. Having drawn the line - if it is crossed again - a quick report to HR, and guidelines for firing for further crossings. Nothing personal - it´s just business.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: bpl40, 12/11/2017 10:33:48 AM     (No. 11477433)

To take an extreme position - A man guilty of rape will be meted out the severest punishment society can think of. But a proven case of false accusation of rape will either go free or receive a slap on the wrist. The former can be an act of irresponsible passion of the moment. The latter is always cold calculated and cruel. As long as the social attitude behind such disparity persists, law abiding, decent men will continue to leery.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: M2, 12/11/2017 10:45:24 AM     (No. 11477449)

Grow up, women. You want equality, you want respect, you say you´re strong and you wear funny hats to prove it and call yourselves "Nasty women".

Well, the bill has come due. Make up your mind. Unless you are willing to press charges, grow up, suck it up and get on with life´s challenges. Some men can be PITAs. So can you.

Grow the F up.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Felixcat, 12/11/2017 11:00:29 AM     (No. 11477462)

So the only group now that cannot make any allegations are white, heterosexual males.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: FLCracker, 12/11/2017 11:00:29 AM     (No. 11477463)

The whole idea of etiquette (see also courtesy, decorum and propriety) is to govern the interactions between people who are not intimate so they can functions without giving unintentional offense.

In the 1960s, we decided to get rid of that and treat each other like we were 15-year-old boys hanging out on the street corner.

The answer to Mr. Lifson´s question is Emily Post.


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Reply 18 - Posted by: mc squared, 12/11/2017 11:09:28 AM     (No. 11477471)

Gee, who could have guessed that would happen?

Many years ago I was given a tongue lashing for asking a woman if she needed help carrying packages through a door I was holding open for her.

What´s this, another job resume from a woman?
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Reply 19 - Posted by: zephyrgirl, 12/11/2017 11:17:41 AM     (No. 11477481)

I had several male mentors in my career, and I benefited greatly from their advice and guidance. I wouldn´t trade that experience for anything. They also occasionally made sexist remarks and told dirty jokes in my presence. They were usually quite true and funny, and I enjoyed being "one of the guys." Young women today are fools to spoil those opportunities for everyone.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: thethirdruffian, 12/11/2017 11:32:24 AM     (No. 11477495)

I don´t do ANY of the creepy stuff complained about. Never have. Never tempted to.

But I´m also an Orthodox Jewish man, so I don´t even hug a long-time female co-worker (if I can figure out how to avoid it) and try not to shake their hands. This is due to an oath I took to my wife not to so much as touch another female that is not her, my birth family, or my daughters.

I also don´t drink with females without my wife being present, nor am I alone in a room or an elevator with them. There is either another person present or the office door is wide open.

In short, I follow the Pence Rules, writ large (or rather, he follows ours).

It´s not only to avoid temptation, it´s to avoid FALSE ACCUSATION and the appearance of impropriety, either of which would destroy my career.

Given the dubious credibility of some of these accusations, it´s the only safe way for men to behave in the work place.



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Reply 21 - Posted by: JMEGrammy, 12/11/2017 12:59:40 PM     (No. 11477575)

I´m from a different era I guess. I love it when a man opens a door, helps me. I am soooo appreciative of that. When I was in my 20´s, 30´s, men said gross things at work all the time; we´d tell then they were disgusting; we´d laugh. There was no touching or job blackmail that I experienced. If it had happened, we were not afraid of a swift kick or slap to rein in roaming hands. Feminists and crazy libs screwed things up for us ladies. If you have to accept unwanted touching to hold a job, QUIT!!! Then turn the SOB into HR, cops, whatever. Don´t be abused for years because you´re afraid, that is ridiculous. There are other jobs dear! Other careers. You get to choose. And you are in charge of who touches you unless you are a coward and your priorities are really screwed up. I hope we get past this, and gentlemen will still open a door, or say something nice. The older you get, the more you appreciate it.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Udanja99, 12/11/2017 1:10:29 PM     (No. 11477583)

How long before these women are screaming to the heavens that they can’t get dates?

I’m glad that I’m old and have been married to a great guy for almost 40 years.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: tech10171968, 12/11/2017 1:11:46 PM     (No. 11477584)

Former Navy here. Anybody remember the "Tailhook" scandal from almost 30 years ago? Almost exactly the same things happened: high-ranking officers at a Naval Aviation conference in Vegas got a little to loose with some of the females there, and it set off a scandal which absolutely ROCKED the entire U.S. Navy. Careers were ended and a Vice Admiral (Mike Boorda) even took his own life over this. Things have calmed down a bit in the ensueing decades, but one thing was certain: sailors from that era tend to get gun-shy about women in the workplace. Trust me when I say that the Navy has been dealing with this carp for nearly 3 decades now.

It even affected the way I work when females are in the office: I don´t "defecate" where I sleep, and I don´t even deal with females more than necessary where I work. I´ll never be rude, but don´t expect me to be all that friendly, either. I keep my distance and I keep my mind on my job. I won´t even grab a beer with a female co-worker after work.

I know it sounds cold but that´s how it is with me. And that philosophy has covered my rear for the past 30 years.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: booneboy, 12/11/2017 1:31:23 PM     (No. 11477594)

Now is the time for Hollywood to eliminate all good looking women from their movies. And heaven forbid if the women are dressed to attract males to view these shows.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: MMC, 12/11/2017 2:10:20 PM     (No. 11477619)

I have a son, these tricky paths scare me as well...for him. Or, any of the young men in our lives. An accusation can cost job and reputation...dang it.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: uno, 12/11/2017 4:09:01 PM     (No. 11477727)

#26 - and anyone with sons, respect and integrity never go out of style.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: coyote56, 12/11/2017 4:12:28 PM     (No. 11477731)

The funniest joke I heard on TV was "Wonder what this will do to the office Christmas party ". Think back about what you were doing when you were 16 or 18 in school. Will the Marlboro Men be extinct? Was wondering when the USA grouop would appear.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Chief1942, 12/11/2017 4:48:38 PM     (No. 11477767)

One thing about the MSM. They simply LOVE putting news out there about some small percentage of the US populace. One would think that the LGBT????? whatever were in the majority [population of this nation with all the news coverage they get. Same with Antifa, BLM, Greenies, and all the other fringe, extremist groups. And yes, that goes for those "right Wing extremist" groups as well. Currently we have a few women jumping on the #MeToo bandwagon as if somehow the rest of this nation´s citizens can identify with them and their supposed "plight". NOT!! Most any other American citizen, if treated the way these women are
would have made their complaints immediately, not some 30 to 40 years later. Pretty much indicates that these "ladies" are perhaps not such "ladies" after all.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: chance_232, 12/11/2017 6:21:43 PM     (No. 11477837)

My personal rules of male/female engagement in the workplace:

Never, ever, be in a closed room with a woman if another isn´t present, or at least know that there is a surveillance camera recording your actions.

Never, ever, compliment a woman on her "appearance". You may compliment her clothing, jewelry etc, but dont acknowledge her appearance.

Never, ever touch a woman, except to shake her hand.

And too think.....the libs mocked Pence for his own personal rules.

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The Daily Caller journalist Chuck Ross has some extremely interesting information released today surrounding former top FBI Counterintelligence Agent Peter Strzok and DOJ/FBI liaison attorney Lisa Page which includes a disclosure by top FBI officials that text messages between Strzok and Page have gone missing. (Snip) According to information relayed to Senator Ron Johnson, the period of time the FBI has “lost” is from December 14th, 2016 to May 17th, 2017, the exact day that Special Counsel Robert Mueller was assigned to lead the Russia collusion probe. As CTH has previously outlined the same “small group” inside the DOJ and FBI,

Congress seeks answers after FBI
claims texts missing in Trump-Russia probe

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Washington Examiner, by Byron York    Original Article
Posted By: Drive- 1/21/2018 10:58:14 PM     Post Reply
Investigators in both House and Senate were stunned late Friday when, receiving a batch of newly-released texts between FBI officials Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, they also received notice from the bureau that the FBI "failed to preserve" Strzok-Page messages from December 14, 2016 through May 17, 2017. Given the amount of texting that went on between Strzok and Page, who were having an extramarital affair, that probably meant thousands of missing documents. A number of critical events in the Trump-Russia affair occurred between December 2016 and May 2017, including: Conversations between Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn and Russian ambassador Sergey

What´s next in the investigation
of those missing FBI texts

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Washington Examiner, by Byron York    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 1/23/2018 5:06:27 AM     Post Reply
Congressional investigators believe they are barely beginning to answer the questions raised by the text messages between the FBI´s Peter Strzok and Lisa Page. For several reasons: 1) Strzok and Page were more prolific texters than anyone knew. In a statement late Monday, Attorney General Jeff Sessions said FBI investigators have found "over 50,000 texts" in their review of Strzok-Page communications. 2) Even with all those texts, the FBI says it cannot find the couple´s messages between Dec. 14, 2016, and May 17, 2017 — a critical time in the Trump-Russia affair. It´s probably safe to say there is not a single

Breaking: New Texts From Anti-Trump FBI
Agents Mention A ´SECRET SOCIETY´

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Daily Wire, by Ryan Saavedra    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 1/22/2018 10:46:17 PM     Post Reply
New text messages from anti-Trump FBI agents reviewed by investigators reportedly make reference to a "secret society," in what could be the nail in the coffin for special counsel Robert Mueller´s Russia investigation. Investigators have reviewed 50,000 text messages on FBI servers looking for all exchanges between anti-Trump FBI agent Peter Strzok and FBI lawyer Lisa Page during the 2016 election, Fox News reported. The revelation comes as investigators are seeking the whereabouts of approximately five months´ worth of text messages between Page and Strzok. House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy told Fox News on Monday that one

Schumer: GOP Has ´Forgotten
the Lessons of the Founding
Fathers´ by Not Compromising

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PJ Media, by Nicholas Ballasy    Original Article
Posted By: Hazymac- 1/21/2018 9:00:56 PM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON – Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) called the government shutdown a “manufactured crisis” created by Democrats who want a permanent Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) fix, which he referred to as a “non-emergency” issue that does not belong in the short-term spending bill to continue federal government operations. “The one non-emergency issue our friends on the other side of the aisle are trying to shoehorn into this discussion doesn’t reach that status of emergency until March. This is pure folly. The American people know so, that´s why in a recent survey a majority said keeping the government open

California Democrats want some businesses
to fork over half tax-cut savings to state

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Fox News, by Edmund DeMarche     Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 1/22/2018 12:27:25 PM     Post Reply
Calling the Trump administration’s tax reform plan a “middle-class tax increase,” two California lawmakers introduced a bill that would force large companies to fork over half of their expected savings to the state. Assemblymen Kevin McCarty and Phil Ting, both Democrats, introduced Assembly Constitutional Amendment 22, which calls for a 10 percent surcharge on companies with a net earnings over $1 million. The plan could potentially raise billions for the state´s social services programs. “It is unconscionable to force working families to pay the price for tax breaks and loopholes benefiting corporations and wealthy individuals,” Ting said in a statement,

Chuck Schumer: ´We will vote
today to reopen the government´

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Washington Examiner, by Susan Ferrechio    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 1/22/2018 12:36:55 PM     Post Reply
The Senate on Monday was set to hold a successful vote to reopen the federal government, after Senate Democrats agreed to let the bill through even though it doesn´t include immigration language they are seeking. "We will vote today to reopen the government to continue negotiating a global agreement," Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said on the floor. Under the bill up to be called up, the government would be fully funded through Feb. 8, and it would fund the Children´s Health Insurance Program for six years. It would also reopen the government, which has been partially closed since midnight

´It´s time to address the "poor me"
routine´: Megyn Kelly RIPS Jane Fonda for
her outrage over a plastic surgery question
before attacking ´Hanoi Jane´ for still ´not
being proud of America´ as she brings*

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Daily Mail (UK), by Chris Spargo    Original Article
Posted By: zephyrgirl- 1/22/2018 12:56:56 PM     Post Reply
It has been four months since Megyn Kelly earned the wrath and ire of Jane Fonda for asking the 80-year-old actress about her plastic surgery, and the NBC host is now responding to the backlash. That moment occurred during Kelly´s third episode when she asked the Oscar-winner about what work she had done in the past, which prompted a steely Fonda to stare Kelly down and ask: ´We really want to talk about that now?´ Since then Fonda has complained about the question to a number of outlets, and even mocked Kelly´s question on Today last week during an interview


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