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Why I Can No Longer Call
Myself an Evangelical Republican

New York Times, by Peter Wehner

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Posted By:bemused conservative, 12/10/2017 8:05:09 AM

There are times in life when the institutional ground underneath you begins to crumble — and with it, longstanding attachments. Such is the case for me when it comes to the Republican Party and evangelicalism. I’ve been a part of both for my entire adult life. These days, though, in many important ways they are having harmful effects on our society. The latest example is in Alabama, where Roy Moore, the Republican Senate candidate, stands accused of varying degrees of sexual misconduct by nine women, including one who was 14 years old at the time. Mr. Moore leads in most

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Abortion is the "deal breaker" for most evangelicals and conservatives. Jones refuses to say at what point he wouldn´t allow an elective abortion. Moore´s going to win by at least 5 points. But good luck staying in the Senate with a Republican governor waiting to appoint a successor. BTW, I do believe the (then) 14-year-old. The others were of the age of consent, and boorish behaviour isn´t criminal. Child molestation on the other hand...

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: MainelySane, 12/10/2017 8:15:08 AM     (No. 11476335)

Plank eye.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Patchy Groundfog, 12/10/2017 8:25:02 AM     (No. 11476343)

Another ´disaffected Republican/conservative/Christian´ article.

It´s hilarious to watch the media clench their fists and hope - again - that one person´s views or experiences should be the brush to paint an entire segment of the population.

It´s also interesting to note that the Times will never run an article titled Why Transgenderism Is Dangerous Pseudoscience or How I Left The Gay Lifestyle.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: M2, 12/10/2017 8:29:02 AM     (No. 11476348)

This is SO wrong: Another pastor who is a lifelong friend told me, “Evangelical is no longer a word we can use.” The reason, he explained, is that it’s become not a religious identification so much as a political one.

He is hanging out in the wrong evangelical circles if he and the people surrounding him have allowed the word "evangelical" to morph into a political heresy of some kind.

It is our cultural rot that has allowed the word "evangelical" to be bastardized. If Pastors won´t own up to the classic use of the word, they have permitted their own congregations to slide down into political swamp, not the evangelicals themselves.

Wehner has permitted himself to raise "the world" (a biblical term for Christians) to enter the Kingdom of God. He has succumbed to the world and now blames politics.

No, Peter. Stay faithful. Or rather, go back to being faithful to The Word and stop playing politics with it.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Redbone, 12/10/2017 8:32:06 AM     (No. 11476351)

I can no longer in good faith call myself a progressive democrat. Liberals have destroyed everything that I value in America, the education system, the media, the justice system. Democrats are trying to destroy our constitutional government and besides , they are so easily duped. No, I can no longer call myself a liberal.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: M2, 12/10/2017 8:32:42 AM     (No. 11476352)

CORRECTION IN #3: "Wehner has permitted himself to raise "the world" (a biblical term for Christians) to enter the Kingdom of God." ....should read "Wehner has permitted himself to use "the world" (a biblical term for Christians) to enter the Kingdom of God.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: zoidberg, 12/10/2017 8:33:25 AM     (No. 11476354)

Let´s stipulate that Roy Moore has lived a life that is free of sexual impropriety. I still wouldn´t vote for him based on his record and statements. But Alabamans know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: califedup, 12/10/2017 8:35:00 AM     (No. 11476355)

Well it seems that the new normal is guilty until proven innocent and in Moore´s case especially if one is a conservative Republican running for a Senate seat.

You think that the effort to destroy Moore based on unproven allegations is nauseating right now, wait until he wins and then the evil, corrupt, and traitorous criminals in the Senate try to expel Moore from the Senate by going into their holier than thou posturing before the cameras.

Schumer, Durbin, Gillebrand, McConnell, and the vast majority of Senators are all Hall of Fame sleeze balls.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: voxpopuli, 12/10/2017 8:38:32 AM     (No. 11476357)

Let´s stipulate that Roy Moore has lived a life that is FULL of sexual impropriety. I still would vote for him based on the record and statements of ALL THIEVING, LYING, BABY KILLING DEMOCRATS who are the alternative. But Alabamans know what they want, and deserve to get the BEST MAN IN THE ELECTION.


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Reply 9 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 12/10/2017 8:53:33 AM     (No. 11476369)

Really? We are supposed to actually believe the NY Times has had a true evangelical Christian Republican on staff all this time and just now, over Roy Moore´s impending Alabama election to the Senate, that guy- the Evangelical Christian conservative Republican champ, is tossing in the towel on his ever so solid life model. I totally call Bull Scatology on this whole screed! Ain´t no GD way, pal!

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Krause, 12/10/2017 8:55:37 AM     (No. 11476371)

I guess every politician who has ever done any type of illegality or sexual wrongdoing, no matter how long ago, should step down, immediately.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: clayusmcret, 12/10/2017 9:07:52 AM     (No. 11476385)

Democrats and democrat establishments, e.g., Washington Post and NY Times, fire arrows into the air and republicans dutifully grab them out of the air and begin stabbing each other with them. I´ve never seen such a bunch of circular-suicidal beings in my life.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: cartcart, 12/10/2017 9:22:13 AM     (No. 11476397)

Preachy. His problem is that he thinks Bush was conservative. He was merely a Republican. I can no longer read the NYT.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: hpmatt, 12/10/2017 9:27:24 AM     (No. 11476405)

Wehner is the guy that loved 43s ‘evangelism’ and hates Trumps. I am sure this DC/NY guy goes to a pentecostal church on the Upper West Side.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: darling, 12/10/2017 9:29:43 AM     (No. 11476408)

If this era of extrajudicial indictments/convictions continues unabated, and the innocent must prove they are not guilty, I may be forced to say, "I can no longer call myself an American."

Lives should not be ruined because of flimsy or nonexistent evidence. The #MeToo twitter movement is an appropriate moniker. I am guessing that for every legitimate sexual harassment victim there are five who say "Me too!" to get attention and a possible payout.



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Reply 15 - Posted by: LoneVoice, 12/10/2017 9:32:04 AM     (No. 11476410)

Why I Can No Longer Pretend To Be A Conservative Or A Christian.

There, fixed the headline for you.

Answer: because I was and always have been a leftist and an atheist. I just wanted to tell the truth for a change.

There, now you don´t have to click on a New York Times fairy tail.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Paglia guy, 12/10/2017 9:32:12 AM     (No. 11476411)

More Wehner whining.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: jackburton, 12/10/2017 9:32:38 AM     (No. 11476412)

One of the things all Christians, especially Evangelicals, believe is that we have forgiveness in Jesus.

Now, there are charlatans who will claim that they should be forgiven their sins because they´ve renounced them and done penance but haven´t. But after a suitable period of good living, one can easily see if someone is sincere and should be considered completely reformed.

Isn´t 34 years enough?

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Reply 18 - Posted by: yuban, 12/10/2017 9:34:11 AM     (No. 11476415)

Why I Can No Longer Call Myself an Evangelical Republican...... because I am an Evangelical Conservative.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: BeatleJeff, 12/10/2017 9:44:52 AM     (No. 11476425)

Wehner destroyed his credibility when he wrote that there were credible accusations of sexual preying made against Trump. Wrong! None of the charges stuck because they weren´t credible. They were cynical October surprise fabrications designed to derail a political candidate, but they had too many holes in them and didn´t hold water (and don´t get me going on the Access Hollywood tape - I could write an entire article dissecting that and detailing how it´s been totally distorted). But Never-Trumper Wehner chooses to believe them because of its confirmation bias. Not very Christian, if you ask me.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: TennDon, 12/10/2017 9:47:33 AM     (No. 11476430)

To paraphrase an old Capris song....There are trolls out tonight...

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Reply 21 - Posted by: valinva, 12/10/2017 10:37:44 AM     (No. 11476475)

He claims that we want the Mueller investigation to be ended because we are afraid of what it may turn up. No, we want it to end because it is a partisan witch hunt intended to overturn the results of a legitimate election that you and the other Never-Trumpers abhor.
I ask you Mr Wehner, did you disregard the mountain of evidence that Hillary Clinton is a lying self-serving person and vote for her? I wager the answer is yes.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Pat26.2, 12/10/2017 10:38:27 AM     (No. 11476477)

Another whining wiener. We prefer winning.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: msjena, 12/10/2017 10:39:51 AM     (No. 11476479)

Only 2 women, not 9,have accused Moore of sexual misconduct. One is an admitted liar. The other hasn´t spoken publicly and we are being ask to just believe her, even though her account is about something that allegedly happened 40 years ago and has never before been told. Due process requires an accused to confront his accuser, with cross-examination. I´m sorry this author can´t stomach this. Does he prefer the party of late-term abortions, atheism and Bill Clinton? Politics sometimes requires choosing the lesser of two evils. For me, the Democrat party is always more evil.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: rolfnader, 12/10/2017 11:01:14 AM     (No. 11476502)

Richard´s nickname ,squared.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: stablemoney, 12/10/2017 11:02:08 AM     (No. 11476503)

Its the NYTs, and I do not believe this writer is a Republican. He says he cannot support Moore, but I bet he can support Democrats, and votes that way.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: MainelySane, 12/10/2017 11:14:11 AM     (No. 11476520)

Will he call himself an Evangelical Christian? Will he call himself a Republican? Does the he think or did he think that an Evangelical Republican would spread the good news about Republicans? I´m not certain what he thinks an Evangelical Republican is. It makes me think that he´s never really been a Republican or that he´s never been an Evangelical. There are many .. probably the majority of ´em .. Christians who don´t practice Evangelism.

He´s just trying to show some disaffection with Trump in a damaging way, but he really shows ignorance.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: beth, 12/10/2017 11:16:55 AM     (No. 11476524)

This man is bearing false witness when he says there were 9 when there were only two and their claims are questionable. Is he really a Christian or just claiming to be? I think he´s throwing stones and should heed the words of Jesus regarding such behavior.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: strike3, 12/10/2017 11:35:25 AM     (No. 11476538)

I have more trouble with the word "Republican" than I do with "Evangelical." The alternative, however, is unthinkable.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Kdog, 12/10/2017 11:38:42 AM     (No. 11476541)

I am good. I am also good with Republicans who will FINALLY defend themselves instead of letting Democrats and the media present their own caricatures of how they want things portrayed, thank you Donald J Trump.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: lavalette, 12/10/2017 12:00:50 PM     (No. 11476565)

Get off your fainting couch sissy. Don´t you know there´s a war on?

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Reply 31 - Posted by: dvc, 12/10/2017 12:49:18 PM     (No. 11476641)

NeverTrumpers.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: franq, 12/10/2017 1:06:22 PM     (No. 11476661)

I am utterly amazed at the amount of hysteria and sanctimony some unproven allegations will cause.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: pessimist, 12/10/2017 1:57:59 PM     (No. 11476702)

At the risk of testing the border of propriety, might I suggest that Pete Wehner can do something else to himself too.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: TnEm, 12/10/2017 2:46:06 PM     (No. 11476745)

Exactly, #30.


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Reply 35 - Posted by: Chief1942, 12/10/2017 5:07:43 PM     (No. 11476815)

"...credibly accused of being sexual predators." Are you so brain dead that you cannot grasp the concept of "accused". We do NOT do harm to someone simply based upon accusations without solid facts and evidence. There are untold numbers of guilty people running around this country simply because we have chosen NOT to punish people without due process. "Let hi who is without sin, cast the first stone" there Mr.Wehner. I think the appropriate verse for you is ""Depart from us as you were never one of us".

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Reply 36 - Posted by: bohallx, 12/10/2017 5:11:48 PM     (No. 11476818)

Peter Wehner wants so bad to believe there was a 14 year old girl, who was so troublesome for her mother that she got child custody transferred to the father, who wanted to lie there in a bad in a cabin in the woods with some guy she met at the courthouse and just touch..... otherwise fully clothed.

And with less than two weeks ..... to get prepared and move and show up with daddy somewhere else.

You just know Wehner would not have let her stop at touching his undies........ and he really does have that on his mind.

She didn´t even have a telephone in her bedroom where she could be called privately, night and day.........

I think the ol´gal has had 3 divorces since then, several bouts of treatment for alcoholism and drug withdrawal, and perhaps she doesn´t even really remember being 14, or 17, or even 35.

A guy with the drawing power young Roy Moore had where he had dozens of mothers pushing their older daughters to "Date this one ~ he´s got a good job" not sure why he´d be messing with what seemed to have been a confused 14 year old.

But, Peter Wehner has his dreams doesn´t he.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: Yorkiemom, 12/10/2017 6:02:20 PM     (No. 11476863)

Religion and sexual accusations aside , one quote I read from Trump bothers me. He reportedly said" if he was really serious about running for president he would run as a Republican because they are stupid and fall for anything.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: Muguy, 12/10/2017 8:03:05 PM     (No. 11476950)

For some reason, the word "Evangelical" has been given an improper tone. It simply means that one believes in the Gospel that Jesus and his disciples wrote about in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Certainly nothing wrong with that.

The ´republican´ part has been hard to define as the basis for republicanism has been morphed into acceptance of big government, big spending, big debt, allowing non-citizens to wreck the economic system preying upon ´cheap labor´ to enrich the fatcats and country clubbers.

Just another "hit piece" on the social conservatives that make up a very large part of the party, many have been lied to once people get elected and re-elected and the lure of corrupt money calls.

Everyone will have to decide for themselves, but a good start would be to life a "purpose driven life" and lift everyone one up in dignity.

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California lawmakers are targeting the expected windfall companies in the state would see under the federal tax overhaul with a bill that would require businesses to turn over half to the state. A proposed Assembly Constitutional Amendment by Assemblymen Kevin McCarty, D -Sacramento and Phil Ting, D-San Francisco, would create a tax surcharge on California companies making more than $1 million so that half of their federal tax cut would instead go to programs that benefit low-income and middle class families.

Comey to teach course on ethical
leadership for College of
William & Mary

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Washington Post, by Nick Anderson    Original Article
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Former FBI director James B. Comey is joining the faculty of his alma mater, the College of William & Mary, and plans to teach a course on ethical leadership at the school’s Washington center starting in the fall. Comey, whom President Trump fired last year, will have a nontenured position as an executive professor in education, the school announced Friday. His course will be offered through the W&M Washington Center to students of the public college based in Williamsburg, Va. Comey will teach the course in fall 2018, spring 2019 and summer 2019 with executive assistant professor Drew Stelljes.

Justin Trudeau Puts Pro-Lifers
on Notice that Their Views
Won´t Be Tolerated in Public

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PJ Media, by John Ellis    Original Article
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During his town hall tour across Canada, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has given explicit notice to pro-life Canadians that their beliefs on abortion make them second-class citizens. (Snip) According to the article, Trudeau warned that "an organization that has the explicit purpose of restricting women´s rights by removing rights to abortion, the right for women to control their own bodies, is not in line with where we are as a government and quite frankly where we are as a society." According to Trudeau, his tongue-lashing of pro-life groups was prompted by responses to a change to who can receive grants as

Vowing to ´rip´ Trump ´a new one,´
Obama´s ex-presidency devolves
into third-world coup plotting

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American Thinker, by Monica Showalter    Original Article
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Far from content living his golden years on the $400,000 speech and lecture circuit of other former presidents, President Obama has been busy with clawing back for his old power. He´s actually covertly plotting to oust his democratically elected successor, President Trump, vowing to his associates to "rip him a new one," in the 2018 midterm elections. Seems he´s not all that interested in watching his youngest daughter grow up. That´s the word from DCWhispers, which reports that Obama´s Kalorama mansion, in the heart of the capital´s most tony district, is the center of significant comings and goings among the Obamatons,

Republicans are lining up to view the
classified FISA abuse memo, while
Democrats choose to stay in the dark

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SaraCarter.com, by Sara Carter    Original Article
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More than 130 congressional members have viewed the classified four-page memo detailing what senior government officials describe as “disturbing and explosive” surveillance abuse by employees of the FBI and Department of Justice under the Obama administration against President Trump and members of his campaign. But almost all of them were Republicans. Since the document was released Thursday to House members “only Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee have seen it,” a congressional source with knowledge of the memo said. (Snip) Congressional officials expect the classified memo to be made available to the public before the end of the month. In order to

House Committee Document Could Mean
Trouble for Anti-Trump "Deep-Statists"

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Power Line, by Paul Mirengoff    Original Article
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Sara Carter reports on a classified document that was released to all members of the House today. The document seems to be a compilation of information, prepared by House intelligence committee staff, relating to the anti-Trump dossier, the FBI, the warrant to conduct surveillance on members of the Trump campaign, and the use of that warrant. Carter calls the document a bombshell. Her sources say its revelations might lead to the removal of senior officials in the FBI and Department of Justice, and perhaps even the criminal prosecution of some. They also say, less plausibly, that the revelations could lead to

´I will find your wife and f**k her´: Jets wide
receiver Robby Anderson arrested for threatening
to sexually assault a cop´s wife after driving 105
in a 45 mph zone for his second arrest in a year

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Daily Mail [UK], by Jessica Finn    Original Article
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For the second time in less than a year, New York Jets wide receiver Robby Anderson was arrested in Florida, and this time, cops say, he threatened to sexually assault the arresting officer´s wife. Anderson, 24, who was arrested at around 2:15am for going 105 miles-per-hour in a 45 zone, was placed in the back of the police vehicle and ´stated that when he got out he was going to find (the officer´s) wife, f--k her and n-t in her eye,´ according to the the police report with the Broward County Sheriff´s Office. According to the Daily News, the police


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