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Justices Sharply Divided
in Wedding Cake Case

New York Times, by Adam Liptak

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Posted By:Drive, 12/5/2017 12:27:04 PM

WASHINGTON — Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, who almost certainly holds the crucial vote in the case of a Colorado baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple, sent sharply contradictory messages when it was argued Tuesday at the Supreme Court. He asked a lawyer for the Trump administration whether the baker, Jack Phillips, could put a sign in his window saying, “We don’t bake cakes for gay weddings.” The lawyer, Noel J. Francisco said yes, so long as the cakes were custom made. Justice Kennedy looked troubled and said the administration’s position was an affront to the dignity

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: thomthomp, 12/5/2017 12:33:34 PM     (No. 11471294)

It´s the New York Times. Believe nothing.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Cliff, 12/5/2017 12:36:54 PM     (No. 11471300)

Any of the supremes who are against the baker are too stupid to be on the court!

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Reply 3 - Posted by: killerbee, 12/5/2017 12:42:39 PM     (No. 11471306)

Hm. That doesn´t sound good from Kennedy. I´m waiting for the decision to simply read: Muh Feelz!

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Reply 4 - Posted by: zephyrgirl, 12/5/2017 12:45:46 PM     (No. 11471315)

What goes unsaid in the coverage of this case is that the two gays were activists who targeted the shop, made a scene in the shop, and triggered (perhaps coordinated) hundreds of abusive and threatening phone calls to the shop. It was so bad that Jack Phillips wouldn´t let his employees answer the phone.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Boston Federalist, 12/5/2017 12:49:01 PM     (No. 11471322)

This will be another perfect opportunity for Kennedy to get on his moral high horse and issue a pompous, holier-than-thou opinion that will be legally and logically incomprehensible.

The baker will lose and Kennedy will write the opinion. Then he will go up to the New York Times´ editor´s office (might as well bring McCain and Flake with him for good measure) to get the good-little-boy pat on the head, and he´ll drool like a puppy.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: rinohunter, 12/5/2017 12:50:24 PM     (No. 11471325)

Along with BLM, the case of the faggolas is a case to FORCE businesses to do things that proclaiming this a "free country" precludes.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Whamdbambam, 12/5/2017 12:58:53 PM     (No. 11471334)

Our self-appointed arbiter of all things moral needs to be removed from the Court.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: wilarrbie, 12/5/2017 1:08:08 PM     (No. 11471339)

Can he put a sign in the window that says We specialize in hetero wedding cakes?

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Reply 9 - Posted by: web, 12/5/2017 1:11:33 PM     (No. 11471340)

Freedom of Religion is guaranteed to American citizens in our Constitution. Freedom of Perversion is not. What´s so hard about it? We have had enough of crazy people suing and trying to force us to endorse and take part in their perversions. Government has no authority or right to force us to endorse things we do not wish to take part in.

I will not read the article, since it comes from a Fake News site, but I assume the last line refers to "the dignity" of homosexuals. You cannot affront something that does not exist.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Maggie2u, 12/5/2017 1:14:23 PM     (No. 11471341)

Put a sign in the window declaring this is a sanctuary business. We obey the laws we like and ignore the laws we don´t like.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 12/5/2017 1:24:35 PM     (No. 11471354)

Can´t wait to see Muslim meat shops being required to offer Kosher products.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: cheeflo, 12/5/2017 1:31:48 PM     (No. 11471360)

And Justice Kennedy´s decision in this matter was/is an affront to the dignity of the institution of marriage. Dignity is hard to find in sexual activity as it´s characterized these days (homosexual or heterosexual). Let´s face it, it is about as base an impulse as it gets, not to say it´s not ennobled when love and procreation are part of the picture.

Selling a cake off the shelf is one thing. Baking a custom cake is quite another. No one in the private sector should be forced by the government to provide any service.

Can he not see that compelling someone to act against his/her conscience is unconstitutional? Apparently not.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Patchy Groundfog, 12/5/2017 1:33:02 PM     (No. 11471362)

The top level court in the land dealing with wedding cakes is an affront to liberty and sanity.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: luandir, 12/5/2017 1:34:22 PM     (No. 11471363)

Mr. Kennedy cannot retire soon enough.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: horacer, 12/5/2017 1:45:28 PM     (No. 11471383)

This whole matter is ridiculous. The shop owner never discriminated. He would have sold the couple anything in his shop, he would have made them any type of custom cake except one that went against his religious principles. How is this even an issue. What is wrong with us. Don´t all religions deserve respect. Certain Native American sects are allowed to smoke illegal substances, peyote, in their ceremonies. It´s religious freedom. How can you force a man to express support of something that goes against his religious beliefs.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: ilovedogs, 12/5/2017 1:51:19 PM     (No. 11471392)

And the practical point is there were many other bakers just walk out and shake it off and go find one that would bake you the best one ever.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: greggojo, 12/5/2017 1:54:03 PM     (No. 11471398)

In addition to #4´s informative post, the media is careful not to show the custom cakes created by this baker. His cakes are as close to art, or are art, as a decorated cake could be. They are extremely unique and quite beautiful. No doubt in addition to not allowing the point that they are art to be made, the media also wants to avoid giving any free positive publicity to the baker. (PS I hate the American press. Their bias is so downright blatant. And they have given us nothing but rotten advice for as long as I can remember. We certainly have the press (who strongly supports Dem politicians) to thank for the absolute wretchedness in our inner cities. And the millions of poorly educated, non-English speaking illegal aliens who have burdened our schools, hospitals and welfare systems).

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Reply 18 - Posted by: southernboy, 12/5/2017 2:13:21 PM     (No. 11471429)

The point completely ignored, which is the whole point of contention, is what the decoration was they wanted on the top of the cake.

It was something lewd and indecent having to do with Gay lifestyle. That´s where the baker drew the line!

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Reply 19 - Posted by: uno, 12/5/2017 2:17:07 PM     (No. 11471437)

Let´s all chug on over to Moe´s Muzlim restaurant and demand BLT´s!

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Reply 20 - Posted by: avanti1, 12/5/2017 2:21:35 PM     (No. 11471443)

This case is not about baking a cake, it is about the gay couple´s demand that the baker be forced to dedicate his talent, time and effort in a fashion desired by the couple.

It appears as though the baker did NOT discriminate by refusing to sell them a standard, premade cake, only that he declined to make a custom cake for them.

No one is dictating or demanding a particular pattern of behavior of the couple, why are they demanding a particular pattern of behavior on the part of the baker?

Are some people more equal than others?

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Reply 21 - Posted by: avanti1, 12/5/2017 2:26:07 PM     (No. 11471448)

FTA: "Kristen K. Waggoner, a lawyer for Mr. Phillips, said her client was an artist, one who created a sort of sculpture.

Justice Sonia Sotomayor appeared unpersuaded. “When have we ever given protection to a food?” she asked."

I seem to recall that protections were given to a bottle of urine deemed to be "art."

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Reply 22 - Posted by: msjena, 12/5/2017 2:30:30 PM     (No. 11471458)

When Justice Kennedy mentions "dignity," it´s not a good sign. That said, religious freedom is a express Constitutional right. Can a state or city´s anti-discrimination law trump it?


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Reply 23 - Posted by: rubberneck, 12/5/2017 2:40:57 PM     (No. 11471470)

I´ve had a hard time smiling about this case... but #10 gave me a smile. THANKS!

Are there cake shops in big cities (you know, where people are "open minded"), that have a big assortment of wedding cake toppers?...
- man in tux, woman in beautiful white gown (traditional)
- two men in tuxes
- two women in white gowns
- man with two brides
- bride and groom both in leather with whips and handcuffs
- man and young girl
- man and young boy
- man and sheep with fishnet stockings
... etc?

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Reply 24 - Posted by: msjena, 12/5/2017 2:41:25 PM     (No. 11471471)

Sorry to post again, but the questio about race is different because the baker´s religion doesn´t approve of racial discrimination. It is consistent with the law so there is no infringement on the baker´s rights. And the baker here isn´t refusing to deal with gay people; he is only refusing to make a cake for something he doesn´t believe in. They can still buy a cake or even ask for a cake with specific flavors,etc. The baker is saying he will not create and decorate a cake that celebrates gay marriage.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: judy, 12/5/2017 2:48:14 PM     (No. 11471477)

They will not allow conservatives to speak at colleges, yet they want them to bake their cakes.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Felixcat, 12/5/2017 2:52:40 PM     (No. 11471483)

But "no shoes no service" is legal?

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Reply 27 - Posted by: wilarrbie, 12/5/2017 3:23:34 PM     (No. 11471519)

Good point #11. Will butcher shops be required to provide halal meats?

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Me_Opinionated_Nah, 12/5/2017 3:40:18 PM     (No. 11471536)

Point of Order (or something)!

I just heard Sarah Sanders say "As I said..."
I heard her say it twice. Not "Like I said..."
"AS I SAID..."

I´m so proud.


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Reply 29 - Posted by: anonymous, 12/5/2017 4:07:06 PM     (No. 11471556)

Wedding cakes come from the same batter. There´s no difference between the flour or the eggs or the sugar between wedding cake A and wedding cake B. If a same-sex couple insisted on the baker using sugar imported from Burundi, the baker would be within his rights to refuse their request but not otherwise.

Unusual requests can always be denied by a baker but this case before the Supreme Court is about whether a baker can refuse to serve a product that is run-of-the-mill for his business.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: Muguy, 12/5/2017 4:40:07 PM     (No. 11471573)

Whenever Kennedy speaks, foolishness begins.

Some of the members of the Court need to actually realize that the Constitution guides them, not their own views.

We are not governed by pop culture or what a justice thinks is "fair".

There were other persons who could have made a cake, but to compel someone to do it when there are others to do it, strikes at the heart of our most basic values.

For the court to FORCE someone to do it in order to RUIN them for their convictions is wrong.

What if the baker was a moooooslim? We that person be compelled to do it?

What should be an issue of how one conducts his business is the issue, not promoting a gay agenda over a conscientious refusal.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: zephyrgirl, 12/5/2017 5:07:41 PM     (No. 11471602)

Here´s another tidbit - they´ve cleaned up the gay couple and made them look respectable. Earlier pictures make them look like the wierdos they really are.

#17 is correct about Jack Phillips´ cakes. I´ve had him make several for me. Every cake was a work of art, even when I said, "just put some nice colorful flowers on the top..."

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Reply 32 - Posted by: bobgray2, 12/5/2017 5:20:19 PM     (No. 11471613)

Wedding cakes are art. Imagine going up to any artist no matter what the medium and demanding that they perform for you to your specifications, and if they don´t, they will be sued. Dance monkeys, dance.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: snakeoil, 12/5/2017 5:33:08 PM     (No. 11471624)

Am ambivalent about this. Anyone should have the right to refuse anyone as a customer. All those restaurants that say: "No Shoes, No Socks, Noe Shirt, No Service" certainly have the right. I would have just baked a kitty litter cake and charged them $ 5k and if they didn´t pay charge them with breach of contract.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 12/5/2017 5:56:36 PM     (No. 11471647)

Life, Liberty, and the PURSUIT of Happiness. Them sick homos can ´pursue happiness´ at another bake shop then another then another...

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Udanja99, 12/5/2017 6:33:04 PM     (No. 11471671)

If I had been the baker I think I would have simply said, “Wedding cakes like mine take a great deal of time. Let me check my schedule... Oh, sorry, I’m completely booked for that month”.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: Harlowe, 12/5/2017 10:01:19 PM     (No. 11471803)

First Amendment, U. S. Constitution: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,…” The “law” is clear, no “prohibiting the FREE EXERCISE thereof (religion).” The text does not include “dignity.” “Dignity” is an innate, inherent value and worth as human beings. “Law” consists of rules recognized and enforced by judicial decisions (U.S.Constitution). The bottom line is does anyone have the right to exercise their freedom of religion (law), yes or no. Reality Check: The U. S. Constitution makes allowance for conscientious objectors based on religious beliefs.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: saguni, 12/5/2017 10:36:06 PM     (No. 11471824)

I wish there were a storing religious freedom (or some such) law, that stated if an activist must drive past a business that would provide the service as requested in order to (1) reach the business of a religious person and (2) be denied the service requested in order to (3) file a complaint, then the penalty due the business will be doubled and charged to the activist complainant.

But, then, I do have an active fantasy life.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: Charactercounts, 12/6/2017 12:21:21 AM     (No. 11471869)

#23, Years ago, there was a bakery in New York that was famous for selling cakes with the most lewd decoration. People would avert their eyes when they passed the window.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623, 12/6/2017 12:28:50 AM     (No. 11471873)

I heard these two girly men on the radio today. Little over the top. When gays demand Muzlims bake a cake for them or cater a BBQ for the reception, we will know they tried everybody.
Not happening.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: 49 Ford, 12/6/2017 4:00:17 AM     (No. 11471911)

My gut feeling is that #5 is right. The decision will be filled with sanctimonious fluff and bereft of fealty to the Constitution.


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The Daily Caller journalist Chuck Ross has some extremely interesting information released today surrounding former top FBI Counterintelligence Agent Peter Strzok and DOJ/FBI liaison attorney Lisa Page which includes a disclosure by top FBI officials that text messages between Strzok and Page have gone missing. (Snip) According to information relayed to Senator Ron Johnson, the period of time the FBI has “lost” is from December 14th, 2016 to May 17th, 2017, the exact day that Special Counsel Robert Mueller was assigned to lead the Russia collusion probe. As CTH has previously outlined the same “small group” inside the DOJ and FBI,

Hillary Lost, but the Future Is Hers
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New York Times, by Gail Collins    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 1/21/2018 5:00:14 AM     Post Reply
Question: Do you think Donald Trump spends more time thinking about Hillary Clinton than Hillary Clinton spends thinking about Donald Trump? Sure does seem like it. The other day, President Trump was discussing Russia at a press conference with the prime minister of Norway, when he suddenly announced that Clinton “was not for a strong military and Hillary, my opponent, was for windmills, and she was for other types of energy that don’t have the same capacities at this moment certainly.” Yeah, it didn’t make any sense. But he really can’t seem to get past her. Recently while promoting tax

Paul Ryan on Trump Ad Attacking Dems:
‘I Don’t Know If That’s Necessarily Productive’

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Breitbart Video, by Pam Key    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 1/21/2018 8:10:13 PM     Post Reply
Sunday on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” Speaker of the House Paul Ryan (R-WI) questioned President Donald Trump’s new campaign ad saying Democrats “will be complicit in every murder committed by illegal immigrants” if they continued the shutdown. Ryan said, “They are certainly not helping us keep the government open. They are certainly not helping us get to a solution on immigration. When you shut down the government you stop negotiating on immigration reform. They’re complicity with not getting things done.” He added, “I’m not going to comment. I just saw that. I don’t know if that’s necessarily productive. It’s no

Illegal Aliens Quietly Being Relocated
Throughout U.S. on Commercial Flights

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Judicial Watch, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 1/20/2018 9:35:27 AM     Post Reply
Immigrants entering the United States illegally through the southern border are quietly being relocated to different parts of the country on commercial flights, high-ranking Homeland Security officials told Judicial Watch this week. In the last few days alone, groups of illegal aliens boarded planes at airports in Texas and Arizona accompanied by a taxpayer-funded government escort in civilian clothes to avoid drawing attention. The first flight originated at Valley International Airport in Harlingen, Texas and was bound for Minneapolis. (Snip) The illegal aliens wear red HHS wrist bands and receive “the gold glove treatment,” according to a veteran federal official,

House Intelligence Committee Will Vote
To Release FISA Corruption Memo…

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Conservative Tree House, by Sundance    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 1/21/2018 1:21:29 AM     Post Reply
According to Representative Dave Joyce (R-OH14) the House Intelligence Committee will hold a vote on the release of the four-page Nunes memo that reveals systemic corruption within the DOJ and FBI; including the unlawful use of FISA-702(16)(17) data searches which were part of an elaborate DOJ-FBI surveillance program on the political campaign of Donald Trump. (Tweet) Additionally, Chad Pergram reported that Chairman Devin Nunes met with Judiciary Chairman Bob Goodlatte to discuss the best process to release the memo. There are generally two ways it could be done, the HPSCI vote is the most likely.As more people have become aware

Earth’s Relentless Warming Sets
a Brutal New Record in 2017

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Bloomberg, by Tom Randall and Blacki Migliozzi    Original Article
Posted By: IowaDad- 1/20/2018 7:19:31 AM     Post Reply
The burn continues. What follows are 138 years of scientific records tracing the human transformation of Earth’s climate. The bold pink line up top represents 2017, the third-hottest on record. The only years to exceed it—2015 and 2016—occurred amid a powerful El Nino weather pattern that ripped heat from the Pacific Ocean into the atmosphere. In the absence of El Nino, the swelter of 2017 was unprecedented.

Elizabeth Warren’s Native American
problem goes beyond politics

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Boston Globe, by Annie Linskey    Original Article
Posted By: IowaDad- 1/20/2018 6:32:18 AM     Post Reply
There’s a ghost haunting Elizabeth Warren as she ramps up for a possible 2020 presidential bid and a reelection campaign in Massachusetts this year: her enduring and undocumented claims of Native American ancestry. Warren says now, as she has from the first days of her public life, that she based her assertions on family lore, on her reasonable trust in what she was told about her ancestry as a child. “I know who I am,” she said in a recent interview with the Globe. But that self-awareness may not be enough, as her political ambitions blossom.

Every GLAAD-Nominated Marvel
Comic Book Has Been Axed

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Daily Caller, by Ian Miles Cheong    Original Article
Posted By: konocti95- 1/20/2018 2:15:55 PM     Post Reply
Comic book readers are apparently not fans of progressive politics—a fact no more evident in Marvel’s decision to cancel every single one of its comics that has been nominated by the LGBTQ advocacy group, GLAAD. In December, the publisher announced its decision to cancel many of its comics, citing poor sales. LGBTQ, feminist, and social justice-themed comics involving stories that revolved around Black Lives Matter, illegal immigration, and LGBTQ issues were among those to end up on the chopping block.

Adam Schiff: Keep the #Releasethememo secret
because Americans wouldn´t understand

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American Thinker, by Thomas Lifson    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 1/21/2018 11:17:16 AM     Post Reply
Adam Schiff, reputedly a champion leaker from the House Intelligence Committee when it came to Russiagate material, suddenly thinks Ignorance is Bliss when it comes to the FISA warrant used to spy on the Trump campaign. Appearing on CNN, he tried to justify keep the 4 page memo that reportedly exposes the individuals who acted as part of a cabal to undermine the Trump campaign with help from NSA spying, and then pushed the “Russia collusion” conspiracy theory as part of the “insurance policy.” Americans are too ignorant, you see. Do you think Democrats are starting to panic? (Video) Rush


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