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When Virtue Carries a Cost
National Review, by David French

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Posted By:Dreadnought, 11/20/2017 10:54:58 PM

Over the last few days, I’ve had a number of conversations with both right- and left-leaning friends about the political futures of Al Franken and Roy Moore. Without equating the severity of the alleged offenses (Moore’s are obviously worse), I’ve been struck by the extent to which people across the political spectrum will tolerate misconduct in politicians that they’d never, ever tolerate in their own workplaces. In most functioning corporations, if there’s pictorial evidence that a senior executive groped a woman, then that executive is forced to resign. If there are known, credible allegations that an applicant for a senior


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Lucky5, 11/20/2017 11:22:53 PM     (No. 11457726)

David. Where is the proof? This thing looks like a set up. Maybe it isn´t, but there needs to be some kind of reality check here. Franken admits what he did. They are not the same.
Every day we seeing how bad the left really is and how much they lie and set people up. It is much worse than I actually thought.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Caveman, 11/20/2017 11:29:22 PM     (No. 11457729)


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Reply 3 - Posted by: Ribicon, 11/20/2017 11:51:04 PM     (No. 11457733)

The aptly named French references the "known, credible allegations" against Judge Moore levied decades later and right before an election, then, serving as judge and jury, states that "now we face the very real possibility that the world’s greatest deliberative body will feature a man who once abused teenage girls..." This is virtue? And why does French not mention sitting Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ), who faces not only corruption charges but very recent and credible allegations that he made frequent trips to the Dominican Republic to have sex with underage girls? This from what once was the voice for conservatism.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: TrueBlueWfan, 11/20/2017 11:51:28 PM     (No. 11457734)

Bill Clinton was accused (quite believably, IMO) of far worse, far more recently, yet his approval rating was in the 60% range. But we are supposed to totally destroy the life of a man that is accused - just weeks before his election - of violations from 40 years ago!

Sorry - seen this movie before - it doesn´t faze me.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: bdog, 11/21/2017 12:53:43 AM     (No. 11457750)

Credibility was lost when Clinton didn´t resign.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: JustCause, 11/21/2017 12:56:49 AM     (No. 11457752)

Sorry, It´s National Review - notoriously Anti-Trump.

Not worth the time to read and I only comment on the FACT that the timing of the ´accusations´ (and the source, WaPoo) make me doubt the veracity of the claims.

Al Franken has always been a pig of a man (sorry, person of unknown gender) and Judge Moore has never been accused of any impropriety in the past (before this election season).

If I could, I would gladly vote for the good Judge.


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Reply 7 - Posted by: killerbee, 11/21/2017 2:30:46 AM     (No. 11457786)

This is despicable. The manager of the mall at the time Moore was said to have been banned says he wasn´t. Nelson´s accusations are being shown to be a complete lie and the 14-year-old is a serial accuser/mental health case.

So what are Trump´s horrible crimes (besides winning an election the dems and GOPe thought was theirs)? Dating girls of legal age who were considerably younger than he was at the time. No pressure, no sex, no creep factor.

David French is a big, fat liar.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Pros7767, 11/21/2017 3:00:13 AM     (No. 11457791)

In this country, one is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law beyond a reasonable doubt. Moore´s accusers have not come close to meeting that standard.

However, I strongly suspect that the left desperately wishes they did not open this can of worms. Franken and now Conyers are just the tip of the iceberg in what used to be the respected halls of Congress.

This will get much worse before it gets better.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: KatieJo, 11/21/2017 5:02:52 AM     (No. 11457801)

I´m sorry David, but I believe you´ve gone "round the bend". "Moore´s are obviously worse"? Franken is a disgrace and always has been, wouldn´t be in the senate if it were not for the illegal votes of felons and other nefarious characters. Judge Moore is the target of the establishment being smeared by false allegations. I guess in your world an accusation against him equals guilt.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: StormCnter, 11/21/2017 6:55:05 AM     (No. 11457833)

In the beginning if Judge Moore had simply gone before cameras and said "When I was young, I did and said stupid things as do many young men. If those dumb actions caused anguish, I am sincerely sorry. I have learned, I have matured and I have tried to live the rest of my life in a way my family and friends can be proud", it would have been over in two days. But, he´s reacted much as our president does. He kicks back and keeps kicking.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: rolfnader, 11/21/2017 7:23:44 AM     (No. 11457850)

Remember- this is the guy that Bill Kristol´s peeps tried to run for president last year.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: MainelySane, 11/21/2017 7:33:24 AM     (No. 11457860)

Just think, Mr. French et. al., how much fodder the Trump Presidency is giving you. I love this President! I would vote for him again tomorrow! Wasn´t it YOU who was being touted by Kristol as our next Republican nominee for the Presidency?

Have you ever strayed? Just for the record!

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Reply 13 - Posted by: MainelySane, 11/21/2017 7:35:27 AM     (No. 11457862)

Does French know for certain that the Democrat in Alabama has clean hands? Has he ever done any "assaults"? Has anyone asked?

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Reply 14 - Posted by: gone2pot, 11/21/2017 7:44:14 AM     (No. 11457874)

If there are known, credible allegations that an applicant for a senior position has sexually assaulted teenage girls then no sane employer gives him a job.

And, if there are known, credible refutations by several people who worked at the Olde Hickory House at the same time the allegations took place,


AND if National Review had the same kind of virtue for which they long, they never would have hired David French.

Why do politicians escape when private citizens face consequences? There are two main answers: an inflated sense of importance and the reality of the binary choice.

NO Dave, you don´t get to get away with not including Door Number 3 which is THE main answer; YOU and your peers in the education-entertainment-media complex make sure they get away with it especially when the politician is a Marxist.

How many Democrats are saying today — when pondering Al Franken — that there is no way they will force out one of their own when the Alabama GOP is rallying around a man credibly accused of terrible sex crimes?

Yo Dave, name ONE member of the GOP rallying around Moore? Just one.

Liberal filmmakers are crawling all over Hollywood.

In the same way incompetent wannabe conservative lawyers at National Review are crawling all over DC.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: arkfamily, 11/21/2017 7:57:28 AM     (No. 11457890)

And, to #10´s response, I am really glad they do otherwise the liberal mindset would dominate.

What is so ridiculous about all of this is liberals brought on this "anything goes sexual attitude" especially with Bill Clinton and the Monica Lewinsky scandal. If liberals didn´t expect Bill Clinton to become a role model for this kind of behavior, they must live in some kind of make-believe world.

Mr. French, your "bias" slip is showing. Roy Moore´s behavior is worse. Don´t buy it.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: govlawyer, 11/21/2017 8:24:49 AM     (No. 11457941)

Credible does not mean the same thing as factual.
Franken accepted "responsibility" because there was a photo to corroborate, while Moore has categorically denied the "credible" reports.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: HisHandmaiden, 11/21/2017 9:01:25 AM     (No. 11458012)

FTA: Without equating the severity of the alleged offenses (Moore’s are obviously worse),

He just did.
And French is being proved wrong as former employees of the diner are coming forward, dispelling these lies which are being led by the evil McConnell against a citizen with no prior offense... other than defending our Constitution and biblical principles!


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Reply 18 - Posted by: mc squared, 11/21/2017 9:21:47 AM     (No. 11458047)

Elections are not based on decisions in a court of law, they´re based on the court of public opinion.
Marion Berry was re-elected as DC mayor after serving time for smoking crack cocaine.

Teddy Kennedy took care of his girlfriend´s problem permanently but public opinion said he was their guy.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: earlybird, 11/21/2017 9:22:10 AM     (No. 11458049)

Why would a man admit to having done something that he didn’t do? And why would a false admission be a good thing for anyone?

#10 needs to read the article linked at #14.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: earlybird, 11/21/2017 9:23:25 AM     (No. 11458051)

Re #19, BTW, that article linked in #10 has also been published now by The Hill.


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Reply 21 - Posted by: strike3, 11/21/2017 9:33:04 AM     (No. 11458073)

Nobody ever mentions that Charlie Rangel owns a home in the Dominican Republic (which he also uses as a tax dodge) and is no doubt down there for the same reasons as Menendez. This recent flood of behavior problems is not new, the revelation is.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Timber Queen, 11/21/2017 9:53:06 AM     (No. 11458102)

Well, that was a load of hypocritical moral hogwash. Mr. French trots out his highly developed moral character and decries his recent epiphany that partisan politicos will cover up the peccadillos of their own perverts. Quite a sleight of hand here as he uses virtue to cover his own duplicity and immorality by joining the smear of Judge Roy Moore. For a virtuous man he apparently has no qualms equating conveniently timed unsubstantiated charges from forty years ago with known and documented life-long predatory behavior. There is absolutely no comparison or equality between the characters of Judge Moore and Senator Al (D-SNL).

Another hit piece from another Deep State water carrier dressed up like a thoughtful discourse on the value of virtue. Phttt!

MAGA – Whether they like it not.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: techwreck, 11/21/2017 10:01:21 AM     (No. 11458115)

More "horsepucky" from the National Review!

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Clinger, 11/21/2017 11:10:17 AM     (No. 11458209)


“Without equating the severity of the alleged offenses (Moore’s are obviously worse), I’ve been struck by the extent to which people across the political spectrum will tolerate misconduct in politicians that they’d never, ever tolerate in their own workplaces.”

Ok Davie let me ask you a couple of questions. Who is accepting misconduct? In Moore’s case misconduct has not been established. The day it is and we “accept it” feel free to call us out. In weird Al Franken’s case we have an admission, we have the pic. In Ted Kennedy’s case we had the body. What real proven misconduct have Republicans just accepted? Did we just accept Denny Hastert, you might want to ask him how that’s working out for him. With crazy Willie Clinton we had the blue dress and eventually an admission. Who just accepted that? Does Trump’s locker room vulgarity stack up to that?

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Reply 25 - Posted by: dvc, 11/21/2017 11:55:20 AM     (No. 11458273)

French earned a place on my "never bother" list during the campaign.

Still there.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: cheeflo, 11/21/2017 12:05:50 PM     (No. 11458282)

To say nothing of the"Lion of the Senate," #3. Mr. French gets the vapors over unproven allegations, as though Mr. Moore is some fresh and singular adulteration of that lofty deliberative body.

It appears that merely expressing interest in someone now constitutes abuse, whether it is unwanted or not. Courtship has become harassment. Having been a teenage girl at one time, I recall being delighted when an older man was interested in me (my father, on the other hand, wasn´t).

But at that time, the so-called sexual revolution was gearing up and sometimes those advances were perceived as opportunities, in a way -- it used to be common for young men to be "mentored" by a pro. A lot of my peers were open, if not eager, for initiation.

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Sen. Richard Shelby says he wants a Republican elected to the Senate on Tuesday to represent Alabama, but that he didn’t vote for GOP candidate Roy Moore in the special election. The Alabama Republican said he’s already cast his ballot, and that he chose a write-in candidate. “I’d rather see the Republican win, but I’d rather see a Republican write-in. I couldn’t vote for Roy Moore. I didn’t vote for Roy Moore,” Shelby told CNN’s Jake Tapper on “State of the Union.” Moore has been accused of pursuing sexual relationships with teenagers when he was in his 30s. In some

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New York Times, by Maggie Haberman and Glenn Thrush    Original Article
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WASHINGTON — Around 5:30 each morning, President Trump wakes and tunes into the television in the White House’s master bedroom. He flips to CNN for news, moves to “Fox & Friends” for comfort and messaging ideas, and sometimes watches MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” because, friends suspect, it fires him up for the day. Energized, infuriated — often a gumbo of both — Mr. Trump grabs his iPhone. Sometimes he tweets while propped on his pillow, according to aides. Other times he tweets from the den next door, watching another television. Less frequently, he makes his way up the hall to the

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