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The mystery behind California´s most
destructive wildfires: Who is to blame?

Los Angeles Times, by Sonali Kohli

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Posted By:FlyRight, 11/18/2017 1:06:13 PM

More than two dozen investigators have spent weeks scouring wine country trying to solve the mystery at the heart of the most destructive wildfires in California history: What caused the infernos that killed 43 people and destroyed more than 8,000 buildings? The answers will have wide-ranging ramifications for the region, which faces staggering losses and a challenging rebuilding effort. Losses from insured properties alone are expected to far exceed $1 billion, and the total bill for the fires will be still higher. Just fighting the fires cost $189 million, according to the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection. Cal Fire is

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: dvc, 11/18/2017 2:02:33 PM     (No. 11455817)

If the answer were "jihadis", would we ever even hear about it?



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Reply 2 - Posted by: Plex, 11/18/2017 2:23:46 PM     (No. 11455831)

ALmost as Important is why the fire spreads. Perhaps rural areas should consider mitigation.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 11/18/2017 2:42:04 PM     (No. 11455842)

Gia would not approve of big, rough men with their noisy and smokey equipment who might make a profit from selectively thinning the forests.....cutting fire-breaks every few miles.....cutting logging roads which might then be used by campers, hikers and sportsmen. No.....it´s much more important to save the forests for some other people...some other day...just not today. Better to let them burn that to spoil them with workers and visitors.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: vinegrower, 11/18/2017 2:44:59 PM     (No. 11455845)

We live in the Atlas Peak area. We were evacuated the first night. On advisory evacuation most of the week. During the week of the fires we all said if this is terrorism they have succeded in terrorizing us. It seemed hard to believe that downed power lines could have caused all of the many fires that started at the same time. I have lived in California all my life and have never seen anything like this. Horrifically frightening. Our home was fine thank God. Much devastation, especially in Santa Rosa.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: LadyVet, 11/18/2017 2:47:23 PM     (No. 11455847)

It is likely that fault will be placed on the deepest pockets that can be used in a US court. Mexican cartels setting fires to marijuana crops to eliminate the competition is not a likely conclusion. No jihad arsonists either.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 11/18/2017 2:58:22 PM     (No. 11455853)

Everyone trying to blame someone else. The weather could not have possibly been the cause- like wind, dry conditions, lightening. It has to be someone with very deep pockets. someone they can actually get money out of. The government- the utility- someone who can be forced to pay everyone huge sums for their losses and their pain and suffering. Oh, and their lawyer fees. It could not be themselves for living in high fire danger areas- Now- that would be way too obvious and besides, what lawyer would take on a case where his own client held 50% of the fault?

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Reply 7 - Posted by: WilliamTell, 11/18/2017 3:03:13 PM     (No. 11455856)

It doesn´t matter. Pacific, Gouge and Eclectic (aka PG&E) will make sure that the RATE PAYERS - via PG&E´s PUC "Buddies"- will pay for any real or alleged malpractice and the stock holders will get yet another great dividend treatment. Basically screw the users of this monopoly.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: dvc, 11/18/2017 3:04:06 PM     (No. 11455858)

In hurricane prone areas, building codes are changed to require increased wind resistance of the structures. "Hurricane clips", small metal bracket to increase the strength of attachment of the rafters/trusses to the walls were required in the 60s. Added roof deck thickness and elimination of wire staples to attach the roof decks (staples easily pulled through OSB) was discussed, not certain if it was mandated in Fla. Other strength improvements in home construction were made part of the building codes.

Is it out of line to require more fire resistant structures in these areas which are prone to wildfires? There are multiple web sites which provide a number of ways to reduce the chances your home will burn in a wildfire, both clearing vegetation and changing the choices of building materials.

When I commented on the beautiful stone clubhouse at a shooting range in South Africa, my guide said that "wooden buiildings" were not permitted because of the risk of wildfires, so they had to build of stone with a metal roof.

Seems quite sensible for anyone rebuilding to look at fire resistant construction like stucco over concrete block and a tile roof with the ends properly sealed on the tiles.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: vinegrower, 11/18/2017 3:18:33 PM     (No. 11455862)

In this fire the building materials didn´t seem to matter. Everything burned down. There are many homes in Napa with stucco and tile roofs it didn´t help. There were very high winds that night. North winds which are hot with no humidity. No lightening. We all realize that we live in fire prone areas but we are being sabotaged by our leaders. Things have changed so much in the last 30 yrs. No oontrolled burns, no thinning of trees, no new fire roads.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: earlybird, 11/18/2017 3:46:54 PM     (No. 11455873)

I saw a very large concrete block ranch home reduced to dust and a pile of blocks in a fire like this one that hit the Alpine, CA, area some years ago. I has spent many weekends in that house. No one would ever have believed it could be destroyed. The heat was so intense, the mortar crumbled.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: earlybird, 11/18/2017 3:52:07 PM     (No. 11455874)

I don’t have a lot to say on these threads. So many experts, most who have never lived in California. Have little or no familiarity with the affected areas.

Imagine my stumbling onto a hurricane thread, or a tornado thread, maybe an ice storm or blizzard thread, full of excellent criticisms and solutions. Not likely.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: comstock, 11/18/2017 3:52:47 PM     (No. 11455876)

My son works for PG&E, and was one of the first of over 2000 employees sent up there. They set up a tent city and dispatched crews to restore power to critical infrastructure. There was only one high-tension transmission line running through the area, but some firefighters showed him where it had fallen and clearly sparked a fire.

The whole electrical infrastructure was destroyed, melted transformers, wires, poles and even the underground systems blew up from shorts. He sent me pictures of a burned out car where the heat was so intense it melted the aluminum wheels. All that was left were puddles of solidified molten aluminum.

Everything will have to be replaced. The San Bruno gas explosion cost PG&E $6 Billion for the destruction of 38 homes. That´s about $138 Million per home. Estimates are that 3500 homes were destroyed in Napa and Sonoma. Multiply that out and that´s a BIG number... so big my calculator ran out of zeroes.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: JediJerry, 11/18/2017 4:05:21 PM     (No. 11455884)

Ca had a very wet winter and put an end to the drought. As a result of all the rain, we had what was called a “Super Bloom” of wildflowers and grasses in the spring. When they died out in the summer it was turned into thick dry tinder that burns fast and hot. Who’s to blame? Mother Nature. Fire scientists and forest biologists can study the situation and develop fire prevention plans for the future to hopefully mitigate the conditions that existed that led to the ultimate disaster.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: earlybird, 11/18/2017 4:18:43 PM     (No. 11455897)

I said I wouldn’t say anything but some other Californians have shown up with good information.

That cycle of rain leading to masses of fast growing grass (t he bloom) hit by hot dry Santa Ana conditions (known as fire season) is well known to anyone who has lived here. Obviously not a new phenomenon.

Controlled burn sounds zippy to the uninformed. Talk to fire experts about just how that would work out here.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: redwhite&blue2, 11/18/2017 5:05:41 PM     (No. 11455914)

Some body started those fires...but I have so much faith when authorities say it is "under investigation"...NOT!

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Thanks to some asshat arsonist up here in Butte County in 2010, I got asthma!
Burning embers everywhere in Magalia, I was out on the porch too long...And they know it was arson but they didn´t catch that rat....other fires started by arsonists are occasionally solved but most arsonists get away with it...DO NOT tell me all of these fires are due to mother nature, and as much as I despise that ripoff monopoly PG &E, I don´t think they caused any of these wildfires!

"more than two dozen investigators have spent weeks scouring"...

Keep digging, keep asking about suspicious people in the area, many times it is homeless camps...but I swear SOMEBODY is to blame!

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Reply 16 - Posted by: saryden, 11/18/2017 5:43:07 PM     (No. 11455929)

Islamic terrorism... there, said it.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: coldoc, 11/18/2017 5:53:32 PM     (No. 11455935)

What happened to the person who was detained on suspicion of setting many of the fires. Dont remember where or when, but the authorities seemed pretty sure he was the arsonist.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: mc squared, 11/18/2017 6:33:51 PM     (No. 11455955)

FTA: "We may find violations ... even if the utility lines did not directly cause the fire,” Malashenko said.

The state is determined to get their money from the rate payers. The utilities will just pass fines through.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Videodrone, 11/18/2017 10:25:21 PM     (No. 11456048)

there were scanner calls early on here in Mendocino that downed power lines started the Potter Vally that combined with a similar call from Redwood Valley that combined to create the Redwood Complex fire - there are hundreds (if not a thousand plus - Mendocino is a large county and rather rugged) of miles of overhead local power lines that are not maintained interms of brush and trees in this county - add in the abundance of fuel and extremely high dry gusty winds that night and you have the perfect formula - no arson, no terrorists just PG&E doing it´s usual...

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Reply 20 - Posted by: BeatleJeff, 11/19/2017 12:42:58 AM     (No. 11456090)

Last weekend I was at a National Park site in Pennsylvania, and there was a sign at a trailhead that described how crews used to clean up leaves and debris in the forest but now it´s all left to accumulate naturally. I thought, yeah, that´s more kindling for the wildfires to burn through, and it´s why forests fires are so much worse than they used to be. Thanks, environmentalist wackos!

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Reply 21 - Posted by: dvc, 11/19/2017 12:53:57 AM     (No. 11456094)

So the only possible solution is to throw up your hands and say "nothing can be done?"

There are always ways to improve a problem. Perhaps not entirely solve all cases, but things can be done to help survive some fires. Perhaps not all, not sure.

As an engineer, I have solved a lot of difficult problems in a wide array of fields, in many countries, for over 40 years, and just saying "impossible" and getting rude to people asking if there might be improvements to be made is amazingly unhelpful. As if the only people who could possibly understand a fire are those currently living in California. This Cali native isn´t buying it. Perhaps no simple solutions, perhaps no cheap solutions, perhaps no perfect solutions, don´t know. People will never find any solutions if they refuse to even look.

I would think a Cali university engineering dept doing a well funded research project on reducing the susceptibility of homes to these brush fires, by whatever means, would be a worthwhile expenditure of time and money. The questions are worth asking.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: liberalslovetaxes, 11/19/2017 3:20:19 AM     (No. 11456118)

Company with "deep pockets" is more of a target than terrorists. Terrorists don´t have deep pockets.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Trigger2, 11/19/2017 6:01:42 AM     (No. 11456132)

I can guarantee you that the eco-terrorists who won´t allow anyone to remove brush certainly isn´t going to allow an electric company to remove branches too close to the line. Add that to the illegals roaming everywhere, drug cartels in the hills building their drug patches and the state being a sanctuary for every criminal, and you get destruction by fire.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: winnie1, 11/19/2017 7:45:38 AM     (No. 11456163)

I read a Latino gang member set off a bomb and was seen running from where the fire started. There was an arrest made they caught the alien. Leave it to the Liberal LA Times to push the blame on something they can´t prove, they would never say it was an illegal gang member.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: winnie1, 11/19/2017 7:48:38 AM     (No. 11456167)

https://www.snopes.com/california-fires-drug-cartels-marijuana-farms/





Claim: Officials say the October 2017 California wildfires were started by Mexican drug cartels in order to gain a strategic advantage over the legal marijuana...

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California Gov. Jerry Brown (D) says President Trump´s stance on climate change demonstrates that he does not appear to fear the "wrath of God" or have any regard for the "existential consequences" of his climate change policies. “I don’t think President Trump has a fear of the Lord, the fear of the wrath of God, which leads one to more humility ... this is such a reckless disregard for the truth and for the existential consequences that can be unleashed,” Brown said in an interview on CBS´s "60 Minutes," which is set to air on Sunday. Brown, who previously studied to become

Maybe Trump needs emergency
brain repair after slurred speech

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NY Daily News, by Linda Stasi    Original Article
Posted By: Scottyboy- 12/9/2017 11:17:50 PM     Post Reply
Loose dentures? More like loose screws. Donald Trump was slurring his words pretty good last week for a guy who fancied himself an expert when it came to Hillary Clinton’s alleged brain damage. What would he make of his own slurred speech and bizarre behavior? brain tumor from the weight of that massive combover sitting on top of his head like a live farm animal? Simply slurred speech because his thoughts are so fantastic that his mouth can’t keep up?

Inside Trump´s Hour-by-Hour
Battle for Self-Preservation

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New York Times, by Maggie Haberman and Glenn Thrush    Original Article
Posted By: FlyRight- 12/9/2017 1:49:27 PM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON — Around 5:30 each morning, President Trump wakes and tunes into the television in the White House’s master bedroom. He flips to CNN for news, moves to “Fox & Friends” for comfort and messaging ideas, and sometimes watches MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” because, friends suspect, it fires him up for the day. Energized, infuriated — often a gumbo of both — Mr. Trump grabs his iPhone. Sometimes he tweets while propped on his pillow, according to aides. Other times he tweets from the den next door, watching another television. Less frequently, he makes his way up the hall to the


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