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Army lifts ban on recruits with history of
self-mutilation, other mental health issues

USA Today, by Tom Vanden Brook

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Washington - People with a history of “self-mutilation,” bipolar disorder, depression and drug and alcohol abuse can now seek waivers to join the Army under an unannounced policy enacted in August, according to documents obtained by USA TODAY. The decision to open Army recruiting to those with mental health conditions comes as the service faces the challenging goal of recruiting 80,000 new soldiers through September 2018. To meet last year´s goal of 69,000, the Army accepted more recruits who fared poorly on aptitude tests, increased the number of waivers granted for marijuana use and offered hundreds of millions

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Someone needs to go over to the Pentagon and find out why we need to allow people with obvious mental issues into our military. Would you allow a police the same latitude when issuing them a gun? John McCain behind this? This is wrong. Must be a smokescreen to allow transgenders in to stay. Stop this madness. Institute the draft if you can´t meet numbers needed for a "real" fighting "Armed Forces". This seems more 0bama´s treachery continuing.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Cavallodifiero, 11/12/2017 12:20:41 PM     (No. 11449583)

If it gets any more absurd than this, I going to move to California where I know that the people that run that state are crazy. Either send all of those recruits who will have access to arms as well as rigorous training to California, or post them on the DMZ in Korea or Afghanistan.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: southernboy, 11/12/2017 12:23:00 PM     (No. 11449585)

Smart!!! Teach unbalanced, mentally disturbed people how to load and fire weapons!

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Cavallodifiero, 11/12/2017 12:24:18 PM     (No. 11449586)

As I think about this, it does seem like an Obama concept, it would be a way to create treachery inside the ranks when fighting the enemy.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: NancyD, 11/12/2017 12:25:07 PM     (No. 11449588)

What could go wrong??? Trump needs to keep draining and draining and draining...

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Reply 5 - Posted by: ocho reales, 11/12/2017 12:31:02 PM     (No. 11449592)

When I read the headline I thought this was some kind of a joke. This is true madness and I cannot believe that Trump will stand for it.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: grampus, 11/12/2017 12:43:17 PM     (No. 11449610)

Someone should remind the Army leaders to do a computer search for "Project 100,000" of the sixties.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: dman, 11/12/2017 12:51:41 PM     (No. 11449625)

Whose "brilliant" idea was this? An Obama holdover?

I´d rather see a draft reinstated if things are really that "desperate".

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Reply 8 - Posted by: jinx, 11/12/2017 12:57:45 PM     (No. 11449631)

I can´t believe our Sec. of Defense agreed to this! What a crazy idea. People used to join because they were told that they could learn a trade and get an education. Now they will be joining to get psychiatric help. No one needs someone with depression or with bi-polar disorder in the military. We don´t need men who want to be women in there either. We want strong men and women who know who they are and what they are fighting for. That´s what we pay them to do.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: earlybird, 11/12/2017 1:03:35 PM     (No. 11449632)

It says they can request a waiver. We’ll see what that amounts to. Requesting isn’t getting.

I imagine these persons would be flushed out with a Q&A “are you now or have you ever?” A waiver request would bring further screening.

This from USA Today which is positioned somewhat to the Left on a scale of publication biases.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Blackeagle, 11/12/2017 1:12:30 PM     (No. 11449636)

The US has definitely become war-weary. We´re using our armed forces like Rome used its legions - to control and expand the empire. And eight years of a disgusting CIC (and - in hindsight - preceded by a foolish one), all those social experiments with the sexes, the homosexes, and latterly the trannies would put any serious recruit off.

Face it, globalism and social liberalism has done to our military what it has done to our economy and population.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Cat Ballou, 11/12/2017 1:15:46 PM     (No. 11449638)

What a wonderful way to build a cohesive fighting force. s/o

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Reply 12 - Posted by: jc96, 11/12/2017 1:39:01 PM     (No. 11449653)

retired AF. Years ago when in Korea - 2000/01, our armory chick was a cutter. When we asked the obvious question(s) we were given "the look"...

for those that might recall, chris in Korea

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Reply 13 - Posted by: earlybird, 11/12/2017 1:50:29 PM     (No. 11449664)

We´re using our armed forces like Rome used its legions - to control and expand the empire.

I respectfully disagree. But we are always ready to go and save someone else’s bacon. Case in point: Niger. And we can name so many others.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: dvc, 11/12/2017 1:51:08 PM     (No. 11449665)

This needs to be reversed by Congress, ASAP. These are dangerous mentally ill people, and we do not want or need them in the armed services.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: earlybird, 11/12/2017 2:20:35 PM     (No. 11449691)

Did anyone read the article? Rather a lot of background on waivers, which were apparently granted before being banned in 2009 because of suicides. And much more information, data, information on what precentage of our current military is in Category 4 (lowest) and so forth.

"For all waivers," one memo states, "the burden of proof is on the applicant to provide a clear and meritorious case for why a waiver should be considered."

Taylor said many “meritorious cases” had been found of highly qualified applicants who had been disqualified due to events that had occurred when they were young children.

“With the additional data available, Army officials can now consider applicants as a whole person, allowing a series of Army leaders and medical professionals to review the case fully to assess the applicant’s physical limitations or medical conditions and their possible impact upon the applicant´s ability to complete training and finish an Army career,” Taylor said. “These waivers are not considered lightly.”


None of us wants a substandard military force, but it is disturbing to see reasonable people run amok on just a headline and intro.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: earlybird, 11/12/2017 2:23:23 PM     (No. 11449692)

Re #15, the “additional data available” includes more detailed medical records which allow a more comprehensive evaluation of the person requesting the waiver.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: earlybird, 11/12/2017 2:31:48 PM     (No. 11449698)

https://www.thebalance.com/military-medical-standards-for-enlistment-and-commission-3354046

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 11/12/2017 2:53:24 PM     (No. 11449701)

Is this really what our nation has sunk to?
The little Millennials are too wussie to join, so we have to dig into the gutter to find recruits? This is as insane as the people they´re recruiting. None of them will make it through the mildest "boot camp" without daily psychological counseling. They´re not worth the trouble.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Vaquero45, 11/12/2017 3:24:48 PM     (No. 11449722)

It´s hard to weed them all out, even when standards are higher. I went to Marine Corps boot camp in 1967. The first night I was there, a recruit in my platoon drank the little bottle of Listerine in his shaving kit. trying to get high. He collapsed in front of me two days later, screaming and bleeding from both ears. He was taken away, and we never saw him again. A few days after that, during a routine physical that included a Q&A session with a Navy corpsman, another recruit admitted to three previous suicide attempts. He disappeared as well, that same day.

That said, I don´t believe waivers should be granted for any of this stuff. It´s asking for trouble.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: chumley, 11/12/2017 3:52:45 PM     (No. 11449750)

The stress of the military can push a well adjusted person over the edge. Thats especially true in bad units of which there are many. Someone not so well adjusted? It might end very badly.
When a nation starts recruiting previously unqualified applicants, its a sign that they are losing the war.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Charactercounts, 11/12/2017 4:45:49 PM     (No. 11449784)

All of the mental health issues could cause that service member to be a danger to his fellow service members.

For that alone, this is a bad idea.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Attila DiMedici, 11/12/2017 6:01:03 PM     (No. 11449838)

Oh, I thought Obama did that...didn´t he lift the ban on transgenders?

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Reply 23 - Posted by: TexasHillCountry, 11/12/2017 9:49:34 PM     (No. 11449952)

During the Vietnam War, McNamara´s DoD drafted several 10s of thousands of men with sub par intellects. Instead of routing them to support work like moving and handling supplies, many of them were shunted to an infantry MOS. The casualty rate amongst them was way above the average. An infantryman has a tough enough job surviving without being sub average in intelligence. Such folk are a danger to themselves and to their comrades-in-arms, Forrest Gump notwithstanding. The Army does not need a repeat of that fiasco.

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