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Big lessons learned from Virginia,
New Jersey governor´s races

Fox News, by Douglas E. Schoen

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Posted By:garnet, 11/8/2017 8:29:45 AM

The results are in and New Jersey and Virginia have elected new Democratic governors. In New Jersey, former Goldman Sachs executive and Ambassador to Germany Phil Murphy expectedly defeated Lt. Governor Kim Guadagno by an estimated margin of as many as 14 points, and in Virginia, Lieutenant Governor Ralph Northam defeated former Republican National Committee Chairman Ed Gillespie by an estimated 7-to-8-point margin. Surely, New Jersey’s swing to a Democratic governor is a product of an unpopular outgoing Republican governor, Chris Christie, and President Trump’s unpopularity in the state as well. Further, outgoing Republican Governor Christie has the dubious status as New Jersey’s

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Jethro bo, 11/8/2017 8:50:35 AM     (No. 11445429)

The huge lesson, which of course the GOP will ignore, is the gooberning like RINOs we now see in the House and Senate has consequences come election time. We the voters don´t trust RINOs to get the job done and we are not gong to vote RINO just because.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: 49 Ford, 11/8/2017 9:00:49 AM     (No. 11445436)

So Northam ran as a "centrist". What is "centrist" about killing babies in the womb and gun grabbing?

We´ve lost our moral compass, and it shows.



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Reply 3 - Posted by: ScarletPimpernel, 11/8/2017 9:03:51 AM     (No. 11445445)

I just finished listen to an interview that Sandy Rios had this morning with Ken Cuccinelli. As Cuccinelli said, Ed Gillespie, a "regular Republican", as Ken described him, ran a Jeb campaign in a Trump world. Gillespie had the same position on law and order as Trump, but he also talked out of both sides of his mouth. Cuccinelli also pointed out that while hatred of Trump on the Left brought out the Democrats, disappointment with the Republican establishment and its failure to keep campaign promises, like repealing Obamacare, was also a major factor in the Virginia races.

So Cuccinelli also lost a few years ago, but by a much smaller margin than Gillespie. He won more votes among those under 25, actually. He lost, but he also did not compromise on his positions on issues. Cuccinelli is actually conservative; Gillespie is not.

Cuccinelli also commented on Gillespie and, as an example, Scott Walker in Wisconsin, who won - twice - against all odds, precisely because he stuck to his principles and had a clear conservative message. Scott Walker faced 100,000 protestors at the Wisconsin capital. There was a recall campaign against him and he won by practically the same margin as the first time.

Also, Northern Virginia is filled with Federal Government workers who, as Cuccinelli also pointed out, move to Virginia because the taxes are lower. It is Northern Virginia that gives the elections to Democrats; most of the geographical area of the state is actually solidly red.

If you don´t see the lesson here, then you probably don´t get it, like the establishment GOP.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: ScarletPimpernel, 11/8/2017 9:05:07 AM     (No. 11445447)

Northam is not a "centrist". As Ken Cuccinelli pointed out this morning, he is the most far left candidate that has been elected as Governor of Virginia.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: plex, 11/8/2017 9:06:33 AM     (No. 11445448)

Someone needs to educate me as to why a Democrat is better than a RINO.

NeverTrumpers need to educate me as to why Hillary was a better choice. I understand the feeling that Trump´s election might not be good for the GOP but why should the GOP´s health supersede the country´s

RINOs would not have created Obamacare. RINOs are often on the right side of issues, Democrats never are.

Primaries are the place to purge RINOs but cutting of one´s nose to spite one´s face by allowing a Democrat to win seems stupid. The GOP does not learn by losing to Democrats because they expect to lose and enjoy being opposition more than leaders.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: dman, 11/8/2017 9:23:13 AM     (No. 11445470)

Giving lip service to the Trump agenda and tinkering around the edges are simply no longer "good enough" for Republicans. No more RINOs.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: StormCnter, 11/8/2017 9:29:13 AM     (No. 11445475)

Virginia was not fertile ground for a full embrace of Donald Trump and his policies. If Gillespie had done that, his loss would have been even worse. There are good states for proving the effectiveness of the Trump administration, but I wish the President had left his Tweet account dormant last night. And I´m with #5. I will never believe that working to defeat an incumbent Republican and allowing the Democrat opponent to take the seat is a productive effort. If we lose the Senate and/or the House with these tactics, we may never regain them and I don´t want to hear that the Republicans the devoutly devoted want to clean out of Washington are no better than a Democrat. If they vote with the President, they´re fine with me. If they are willing to compromise in order to get a Presidential success, that´s fine with me. The ones who refuse to accommodate the President´s agenda (you know which five they are) are useless. Let´s replace them, but with another Republican, not a Democrat.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Pros7767, 11/8/2017 9:29:29 AM     (No. 11445476)

Murphy was a shoo-in after 8 years of Christie´s disastrous policies. NJ is no better and arguably much worse after Christie.

NJ had a shot at another Republican governor but he lost in the primaries to Guardano. After that, the race was over.

As a NJ resident, I´ve resigned myself to getting screwed not only by state government but also by the Feds with the latest tax proposals. I´m beginning to wonder why my husband and I bother to work at all.

Oh wait, it´s so I can pay tuition for a child who does not qualify for any type of loan or grant because we make "too much money" and aren´t a member of the preferred classes that do get benefits.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: dman, 11/8/2017 9:29:32 AM     (No. 11445477)

.. and be "educated", #5: It is no longer RINOs versus Democrats. RINOs are no longer "good enough". WTP demand populist conservatism - and results, not just promises. I have been arguing since 2012 that a new party is now required to deliver that, and it will not be done within the GOP structure, nor in a single election cycle.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: bpl40, 11/8/2017 9:37:30 AM     (No. 11445487)

#3 has the exactly right take away. What happened in Virginia last night would have happened on Election Night 2016 if Jeb Bush would have been the nominee. The Clintons were in fact counting on it. Now we know why Hillary has gone berserk.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: ScarletPimpernel, 11/8/2017 9:48:28 AM     (No. 11445496)

"Virginia was not fertile ground for a full embrace of Donald Trump and his policies."

Not it isn´t, for exactly the reasons I stated above. And it´s not "productive" to work against your party leader, which is exactly what the establishment GOP has been doing.

"Let´s replace them, but with another Republican, not a Democrat."

So let´s replace them with a Scott Walker Republican, not an Ed Gillespie or Paul Ryan Republican or any other establishment kind of Republican.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Italianlooks, 11/8/2017 9:57:00 AM     (No. 11445511)

Please give me a break, NJ and Va are Blue States!
So what is the surprise! Since the VA days of Republican of probably two decades ago VA has been milking the Federal Cow, the liberals have invaded because of Federal Government growth and are known to Milk the Federal Cow!
NJ has always been Blue and will continue to be Blue, because it is a bankrupt state! Republican presidential candadites will never crack NY, NJ, New England, CA WA and Il! This is why the Electorial College is so important to our Representative Democracy! Thank the Founders, and not the democrat wonks!



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Reply 13 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 11/8/2017 10:26:44 AM     (No. 11445552)

If Dem leaders are going to paint Northam as ´moderate´ that means the Bernie folks are going to be shunned. That may work on the east coast where Dems have a huge advantage, but not in the industrial Midwest.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: msjena, 11/8/2017 10:35:05 AM     (No. 11445558)

#7, here is a story for you. Illinois had a Republican Senator named Peter Fitzgerald. Fitzgerald had proven himself to be independent and didn´t always vote the party line. Someone high up in the Republican party establishment decided that Fitzgerald couldn´t win reelection and "convinced" him to step down in favor of a younger, more telegenic candidate. Unfortunately, the new candidate had embarrassing details in his divorce record and when they came out, he withdrew, leaving the path to victory wide open for his opponent, an unknown neophyte named Barack Obama. So it isn´t only Bannon and the conservatives who seek to unseat incumbents who are not to their liking,often with unintended consequences.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Robinhood, 11/8/2017 10:45:41 AM     (No. 11445582)

The truth in Va is a lot of the Republican voters saw Gillespie as the establishment
"Bush" candidate and a never Trumper turned maybe Trumper if it helped get him elected. While many like myself held their nose and voted for him it was not with conviction. While some pundents suggested if he won he would pull Vogel and Adams with him ... when it was always the other way around. It´s easily seen by the fact that Vogel and Adams got more voters than Gillespie. He was a drag not an asset.. just a donkey rear.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Judy, 11/8/2017 10:50:27 AM     (No. 11445594)

Gillespie was soooo afraid of his high $$$ donors he invited W Bush in & ignoredTrump...hey Ed how did that work out??When you don’t support the leader of the party people do not trust you.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: dman, 11/8/2017 11:21:25 AM     (No. 11445632)

The point that many above are missing is that Donald J. Trump is not, and never will be the true "leader" of the Republican Party. The entrenched Establishment, GOPe, UniParty, Rockefeller/Bush, Ryan/McConnell, globalist donor "leaders" will never embrace him or his agenda. They will give lip service during an election or so - but will return things to "business as usual" as soon as they get the chance. What happened after Goldwater and Reagan had temporary control of the party is the lesson here.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: enemyofthestate, 11/8/2017 11:27:26 AM     (No. 11445642)

Sorry, Schoen, but two elections do not make "big lessons." You are spinning and engaging wishful thinking. Anything can happen between now and the next election, at which point your "big lessons" will be forgotten.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Davids918, 11/8/2017 11:51:01 AM     (No. 11445670)

What is clear?

That Democrats WANT higher taxes, so they should not be complaining about the possibility of losing their SALT deduction. In fact, i believe Joe Biden stated, "it is their patriotic duty".



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Reply 20 - Posted by: tisHimself, 11/8/2017 11:56:29 AM     (No. 11445678)

Bush rovian officer cor reporting as to be predicted that it wasn´t the right kind of soil, the sun was in their eyes, the dog ate the homework......

the top down loyal to special interests, pass the shrimp and open up another bottle of merlot republicans know how to raise money and spend money. That same ivy league east coast insulated republicans have no idea how much their snobbery is resented, rightly so, by a voting demographic that has been sneered at by them, taken for granted and "handled" by Washington political consultants fed by lobbyists and other Bush loyalists.

That´s the lesson, where you wanna go, we won´t follow. Shut up and get in the back seat, like you have been telling us to do for decades.

Palin, bannon and Trump aren´t th problem.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Chief1942, 11/8/2017 12:06:53 PM     (No. 11445691)

Since we are currently a two party system, then it stands to reason that people who align with the party of their choice get to elect those whose ideology they favor. It has been well known for decades that people tend to congregate in places where there are like minded people (one simply needs to look at the "Left Coast and the Right Coast). All those Democrat wins are NOT surprising considering the "blue" makeup of the areas that were voting. Now, if they HAD gone to the GOP, THAT would have been surprising.But regardless of how those elections came out, NOTHING is going to change at the National level. It will be business as usual with a Congress that is totally apathetic towards and disconnected from "The People".

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Reply 22 - Posted by: wendybird, 11/8/2017 12:09:41 PM     (No. 11445696)

Living in Southwest Virginia, I rarely run across anyone that dislikes Trump. His speech last night in Korea was remarkably excellent. However, shame on Virginia for voting for Northam. The northeast part of Virginia is populated by Washington DC residents, bought and paid for by our tax dollars, not Virginians. Lets see how we like being a “sanctuary state”. Hopefully the newcomers will stay where their sponsors live.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: MDConservative, 11/8/2017 12:12:55 PM     (No. 11445698)

"...where you wanna go, we won´t follow." - #20

Quote of the day. And the remaining problem is those who don´t want to follow don´t have the keys to the car. Lots of folks wanting to do this or that...but you can´t beat someone with no one.

And it doesn´t help that many of the "someones" who do show up as challengers are unserious candidates unable to either stay on message or avoid gross missteps/gaffes in a campaign.

When talking about politicians, there are no "true conservatives". No one makes a career out of saying no while the taxpayer largess flows elsewhere.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Tishimself, 11/8/2017 12:46:15 PM     (No. 11445741)

Agreed. But
1 whose message?
2. Unserious to whom?

Palin wasn’t serious
Bachman wasn’t serious
Trump wasn’t serious

Cochran is serious
Jeb is serious
Kirk is serious.

We paid for the car.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: nina584, 11/8/2017 2:16:43 PM     (No. 11445841)

These are democratic states. Nothing learned. Virginia is not the same state anymore. Between the illegals voting and the trash from DC it will be very difficult for the natives to win.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Penney, 11/8/2017 2:37:21 PM     (No. 11445864)

When there is little or no difference between the dem candidate and the establishment-Bush GOP candidate, some conservative voters may have decided why vote at all. If the GOP can´t offer the choice of a conservative candidate to voters in the future, the party can expect more predictable losses at the ballot box.

It is evident that Pres. Trump has wide support from the American voters. Contrarily, this lame Congress is failing & sinking fast.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: John56, 11/8/2017 6:16:11 PM     (No. 11446143)

In some ways the Virginia result isn´t surprising considering that the northern part of the state is part of the swamp. But again the words of my high school history teacher over 40 years ago ring true. Never underestimate the stupidity of the national Republican party.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: MDConservative, 11/8/2017 8:58:12 PM     (No. 11446284)

#24 -

For years, through 1988, there was a simple "conservative" message that was accepted by the majority of voting Americans. That was that the Federal government should be operated with the minimum necessary resources, which meant reasonable taxes and fairly balanced budgets that kept your money in your pocket until you spent it. Additionally, that the US should maintain peace through strength, which did not mean rushing off to solve every problem with a military hammer and an indefinite "occupation" to fix the "damage". Finally was a view that families were valuable civic commodities that ought to be nurtured.

Serious candidates engage the electorate, challenge it to make the right decisions for the civic good. They model what they preach - and don´t eventually emerge as "wiccans", or sleazy spouses, or having serious moral shortcomings.

Seriousness is a measure of electability, and the candidate´s earnestness in addressing issues. Palin was earnest, but morphed into a reality show celebrity. Bachman betrayed her seriousness when she took Swiss citizenship in the midst of a campaign and tried peddling that at some virtue...quickly renouncing the claim (through her husband) when it backfired in her face.

Trump was serious, and perhaps remains so becasue he started as a prime time reality show celebrity and spoke truth to his audience. It was his opposition who became less and less serious as the election neared. Hillary became the caricature of an aggressive womyn. President Art of the Deal now has to deliver where others failed.

Cochran and Jeb are not serious, lacking sincerity of conviction as elected officials when confronted with a serious challenge.

Yup, we sure did pay for the car...and we gave away the keys. Keeping the Dems out of office was enough. It isn´t anymore.

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Posted By: MissMolly- 11/20/2017 4:29:27 AM     Post Reply
Kathy Griffin is coming unglued. The D-list comedian, who was blasted for releasing a photo of herself holding a bloody severed head that looked like President Trump, posted another bizarre video to her YouTube page on Saturday. In the video, which she called the "State of the Union," she said, "I´m admitting that I lost my mind." The 57-year-old claimed she´s on Interpol’s list and is being shunned by Hollywood. “I just want you guys to know that I am fully in the middle of a blacklist, like I’m in the middle of a Hollywood blacklist. It is real. I’m not booked on any

Malia Obama caught kissing a mystery
man and smoking a cigarette at the
Harvard-Yale football game

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Daily Mail [UK], by Ashley Collman    Original Article
Posted By: earlybird- 11/20/2017 4:36:01 PM     Post Reply
Malia Obama appears to be settling in just fine at Harvard. On Saturday, former President Obama´s eldest daughter was caught making out with a handsome fellow Crimson fan at the annual Harvard-Yale game. Yale hosted this year´s face off, which saw Harvard students decamping down to New Haven to tailgate at their rival´s campus before the game. The 19-year-old former first daughter, who took a gap year before starting at Harvard this fall, was seen locking lips with a mystery man at the festivities outside of the Yale Bowl. Video shows the moment Malia reached up and put her arms

When ´Crazed´ Jackie O Came
to Dinner With Claws Out

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Daily Beast, by Tina Brown    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 11/19/2017 4:56:42 AM     Post Reply
While editing ‘Vanity Fair’ in the ’80s and ’90s, Daily Beast founder Tina Brown confided some of her best dish to her now published diary, including this gem about Jackie Kennedy. Thursday, July 6, 1989 Quogue- I love how New York changes so completely in the summer. It’s my favorite time of year here, sitting at my wooden desk before the open window with the cool sea breeze. The August issue arrived by FedEx. The Jackie O cover story, and Michael Milken’s rise and fall by Marie, is a much more commercial combo than July. To generate some summer heat I assigned Ed Klein to do Jackie to mark her sixtieth birthday. I asked him because he was always going on about how she liked him when he edited The New York Times Magazine.

Charles Manson, mastermind behind
1969 deaths of actress Sharon
Tate, 6 others, dead at 83

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Fox News, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Hazymac- 11/20/2017 9:03:08 AM     Post Reply
Charles Manson, the hippie cult leader who became the hypnotic-eyed face of evil across America after orchestrating the gruesome murders of pregnant actress Sharon Tate and six others in Los Angeles during the summer of 1969, died Sunday after nearly a half-century in prison. He was 83. Manson, whose name to this day is synonymous with unspeakable violence and madness, died of natural causes at Kern County hospital, according to a California Department of Corrections statement. TMZ was first to report on the killer´s death. The celebrity-news site reported that Debra Tate, the sister of Sharon, said she received a call

Collins says sexual harassment claims
against Trump ‘remain very disturbing’

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Washington Post, by Sarah Kaplan/Sean Sullivan    Original Article
Posted By: MainelySane- 11/20/2017 4:53:55 AM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON — Maine Sen. Susan Collins went further Sunday than most of her Republican colleagues in expressing worry about the sexual assault allegations against President Donald Trump, saying they were one of the reasons she did not vote for him.“Those allegations remain very disturbing,” Collins said in an interview on ABC’s “This Week with George Stephanopoulos.” She added that she did not support Trump in the 2016 campaign in part because of news reports about women accusing him of unwanted touching or kissing.

Brooklyn College doesn’t want
police using campus bathrooms

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New York Post, by Alex Taylor*    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 11/20/2017 7:57:23 AM     Post Reply
Brooklyn College is kowtowing to cop-hating students by directing officers who need a bathroom break to the broken-down facilities in a building on the far edge of campus. Amid a planned petition drive to ban cops from the taxpayer-funded campus, Donald Wenz, the school’s director of public safety, told the student newspaper The Excelsior that he’s trying to keep New York’s Finest out of sight. While Wenz said all of the school’s restrooms were technically open to cops, the college prefers they stick to those in the isolated West End Building, “rather than walking across either quad to use the

What if Ken Starr was Right?
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New York Times, by Ross Douthat    Original Article
Posted By: FlyRight- 11/19/2017 7:04:34 AM     Post Reply
In the longstanding liberal narrative about Bill Clinton and his scandals, the one pushed by Clinton courtiers and ratified in media coverage of his post-presidency, our 42nd president was only guilty of being a horndog, his affairs were nobody’s business but his family’s, and oral sex with Monica Lewinsky was a small thing that should never have put his presidency in peril. That narrative could not survive the current wave of outrage over male sexual misconduct. So now a new one may be forming for the age of Harvey Weinstein and Donald Trump. In this story, Kenneth Starr and the

Sen. Al Franken won´t resign - is spending
Thanksgiving ´doing a lot of reflecting´

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Daily Mail [UK], by Nikki Schwab    Original Article
Posted By: Attercliffe- 11/19/2017 4:26:25 PM     Post Reply
A spokesperson for Sen. Al Franken, a Democrat from Minnesota, told the Minneapolis Star Tribune that ´no´ the embattled senator would not resign. ´He is spending time with his family in Washington, D.C., and will be through the Thanksgiving holiday,´ the aide told the newspaper. ´And he´s doing a lot of reflecting.´ On Thursday, Franken became the latest high-profile man whose career is now in jeopardy over bad behavior with a woman. Radio host Leeann Tweeden said in 2006, when performing alongside Franken at a traveling USO tour, the then-comedian grabbed her breasts without her permission when Tweeden was sleeping and kissed


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